More images of the LG Dare, and to be released on June 26th

99. (unregistered) posted on 17 Jun 2008, 13:20 0 0

maybe I am out of touch but exactly what market is the iphone aimed at vs the Dare? Clearly the Dare isn't aimed at professionals but I would argue the 18-30 crowd without much cause to do anything beyond talk/txt. I agree with your comment related to the iphone inability to send a pic/video but i can't tell you the last time i sent someone a video i shot with a phone. My entire point is how idiotic to create a phone (which I would argue is clearly meant to tap into the iphone market.. look at the phone for pete's sake.. it looks identical save the UI and clearly has the same basic design (qwerty keyboard is entirely touch screen, etc.) that could easily tackle the general look and capabilities of the iphone. To be clear, I don't think the iphone is great and I am a vz wireless customer and value their network which is one of the reasons I've never switched. That said, lets be realistic, the iphone has a killer UI. The days of saying, "its the network..." simply don't cut it anymore which is why you are seeing VZ try to make a splash with some new phones (including the Dare, Thunder, etc...). My take again, and all along, is simply this.. if you have a cool phone with some cool features and a decent UI (that may/may not rival the iphone) why in the world not include at least very basic feature of sync'ing to Outlook.. you now open yourself up to another completely different market segment in business users that also want a cool UI and some nice features (like you mentioned.. 3.2 cam, handwriting recog, all touch screen etc..)

100. reuvypoo (unregistered) posted on 17 Jun 2008, 14:23 0 0

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Verizon-brings-Exchange-support-to-non-PDA-devices-article-a_2857.h tml Hopefully RemoSync will be available for the Dare after a short while so you will be able to access Outlook stuff. And even with the $9.99 fee, the whole package is cheaper than iPhone (by $5)

108. Esquire0399 posted on 19 Jun 2008, 18:48 0 0

You guys have to realize that although there are more and more people syncing with Outlook and using their phones for more business related purposes everyday, the vast majority of Americans have no desire whatsoever to use their phones for these things. It's all about how phones look right now, not so much what they can do. You need to remember that just because something is important to you doesn't mean that it is important to everyone. And for the record, the Dare was never officially referred to as an "iPhone killer" (a term that I am horribly tired of hearing). People just made that assumption based on the fact that the Dare is a full touchscreen device. People need to start accepting that not every touchscreen phone is trying to compete with the iPhone. It is just a case of technology moving toward touchscreen phones becoming a standard.

109. (unregistered) posted on 19 Jun 2008, 19:43 0 0

While I would agree that many Americans don't want to sync with Outlook I would say you are grossly generalizing when you make the assertion that people don't want a phone that does "everything." I know of very few people who don't at some point or another check their email via there phone and those who don't aren't fans of cell phone technology at all. If you keep abreast of where cell phone technology is headed it is moving towards a ubiquitous environment where virtually everything can be done via cell (not just outlook but all web based apps, tv, music, remote monitoring of security systems/cams, etc...) I would submit again, that whether the Dare was being groomed as an "iphone killer" or not is not the issue. To me the issue remains.. why would you not include the ability to do as much as possible when you are selling a high end phone and make no mistake.. a phone in today's market that retails for over $200 is high end. I could care less about whether this phone or any phone "kills" the iphone but I want to stay on Verizon and have a phone with a good UI that is touch screen that can handle what to me are pretty basic functions: Take/make calls, web, cam and grab email (pop or outlook). I respect what you are saying but I disagree that the days of having phones with very limited capabilities aren't numbered. Here's hoping the Dare packs a punch and if not the Crackberry Thunder delivers.

110. Esquire0399 posted on 19 Jun 2008, 21:51 0 0

The fact that you say you know very few people who don't use their phones at some point or another to check email tells me that you are probably in a profession that necessitates such behavior, but you must realize that not everyone is. There is a very large number of people who truly only use their phones to make calls and text, and have no interest in doing much else with their phones. If you think about it, most people in America with cell phones do not own smartphones (seriously, go out tomorrow and count the number of smartphones you see compared to non-smartphones). Many of the features that you believe to be necessary in a phone today are features that tend to only exist in smartphones, and many many people have absolutely no desire to learn how to use smartphones which many find too complicated. Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that every phone should be as functional as possible and I think would be great if VZW did include these features in feature phones, especially the Dare just because it does already have so many features, but I also realize that most people are not begging for advanced features. And remember, it's not just VZW that excludes the ability to sync with Outlook, etc. Can you honestly name 5 non-smartphones from the other 3 major carriers that do have this ability? I doubt it. I think the problem here is that you are failing to understand that some phones are smartphones aimed at business users with syncing abilities and advanced abilities, such as Blackberries and even the iPhone, whereas others are meant to be feature phones, appealing to much broader audiences, such as the Dare and nearly every other non-smartphone from every carrier. Like I said before, I think it would be fantastic if the Dare was more advanced, and I would even prefer that, but if it were too much more advanced it would be approaching smartphone territory, which would ultimately scare quite a few potential buyers away, just due to the nature of being a smartphone. That's just how I feel. I think if you would open your mind just a little more, you would better understand what I'm trying to say.

111. (unregistered) posted on 20 Jun 2008, 09:38 0 0

I do understand what you are saying and I agree that there are more folks using non-smartphones for basic mobile functions (talk,txt, camera). Lets assume that the price point on the Dare retail is around $200 (I don't believe anyone has a firm grip on the cost yet). My whole point is that if you are going to load the phone with all of the features/functionality and stick a hefty price tag on it why would you stop short of including that add'l functionality? I think, my opinion obviously, that if you have a user that is savvy and comfortable enough to own a phone like the Dare then including the ability to sync to email or view a doc wouldn't scare them away from the phone. Perhaps the best answer will be the Blackberry Thunder as it looks from early reviews to meld the best of two worlds.. touch screen and full functionality?

112. Esquire0399 posted on 20 Jun 2008, 17:13 0 0

Agreed about the Thunder. I think it is a great idea to go for the whole best of both worlds approach.

107. Esquire0399 posted on 19 Jun 2008, 18:41 0 0

Is this a serious question? If it is, yes you can set the wallpaper on the Dare.

113. (unregistered) posted on 20 Jun 2008, 18:47 0 0

it is a very valid question. i remmber that the razr2 on verizon didnt let you change the wallpaper unless you downloaded their software