Monster quad-core HTC phone with 1080p screen headed to Verizon?
0. phoneArena 12 Jul 2012, 22:37 posted on
Yet another GLBenchmark mystery phone, but this one crushes previous phone scores while packing a True HD screen and is headed for Big Red's network...
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1. Commentator (Posts: 2082; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Um, I would imagine that this would be a tablet... I read somewhere recently that HTC confirmed a Flyer 2, maybe this is it.
3. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
there's also that 5" HTC Phablet that was rumored to come to Verizon, maybe this lines up.
6. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
The device number doesn't match HTC's tablet numbers, and does match some of their Verizon phone numbers. Also, unless it's a 7" tablet it doesn't make sense that the onscreen buttons would be on the bottom of the device. And with lots of rumors of an upcoming HTC phablet the facts seem to jive more with over-sized phone than tablet.
10. Commentator (Posts: 2082; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Whatever it is, if it's packing an Adreno 320 it should be Playstation Certified. According to Qualcomm's roadmap, the Adreno 3xx series should be able to render PS3-caliber graphics.
If it is a phablet, I wonder if it will be using LG's recently-unveiled 5" 1080p screen.
11. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
Given the numbers we're seeing here, I'd say that seems utterly plausible.
22. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Might be The 1st ever HTC Tab for Verizon
31. TylerGrunter (Posts: 757; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
The Soc is the one of the S4 Pro series, either the MSM8960T (dual-core) or the APQ8064 (quad-core).
In the tab of the test, under the "GL Environment" tab you can see the GPU:
GL_RENDERER Adreno (TM) 320
30. TylerGrunter (Posts: 757; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
That's what they say, but when I did some actual calculations the Mobile GPUs are still a long way till they get to that level. They don't even match the Wii in GPU power.
So that you make an stimation, only the PoweVR SGX543 MP4 @250 MHz in the iPad is even NEAR the Wii GPU (and still around 30% short)
37. downphoenix (Posts: 2134; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
yes, because the hz is the only stat that matters.
Most phones are beyond the Wii in graphics capabilities. If this isn't the case, why are 95% of Wii games looking like something from the PS2/Gamecube era? There's a slim few that actually try to do something with its hardware to put out some pretty good visuals like the mario galaxy game, Metroid Other M, Super Bros Brawl, Xenoblade Saga, but most games opt for the same usual crummy graphics.
41. TylerGrunter (Posts: 757; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I never said that I was judging the GPU by its MHz, I know that much. I´m basing my opinion (educated, but opinion nevertheless) in the Console-PC graphic card equivalents and the Mobile-PC card benchmark testing.
I was just curios about the claims of the SoCs manufacturers, so did a little study and that´s what I found: still far from PS3 graphs. Such power will have to wait at least two generations of mobile GPUs. End of 2014 or beginning of 2015.
Ah! And the games may look like it, but the Wii GPU is 3 times more powerful than the Xbox and 4 times more than the PS2. Mobile GPUs have just past over the level of those two consoles.
60. downphoenix (Posts: 2134; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
I don't think they're as far behind as you'd think. Have you seen Infinity Blade 2? Dead Trigger? Shadowgun? They blow away anything on the last gen consoles and the Wii, without question. Infinity Blade 2 utilizes the same engine that Gears of War 3 does. Unreal 3 can't even work on the Wii, Ubisoft tried to use it for Red Steel 2 but they had to just use a modified Unreal 2 engine because it was too much for the Wii to stabilly handle. I still give it a year before we have current gen level graphics, but by then the next gen will be out of course.
61. TylerGrunter (Posts: 757; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I have seen those games in the tablets and think they are still some way to the console games. Probaly the difference is in the eye of the beholder.
If you want some links that support my claims:
(check the comment " Correction? by ltcommanderdata on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 ")
(check the position of the mobile GPUs, while a Wii would be an ATI Radeon X1400 equivalent, and yes, I also think they are understimating them)
Anyway, we´ll check if I´m right or not after the new Clover Trail and OMAP 5 SoCs go to market this fall, as they use the same GPU and it will be possible to directly compare Windows Benchmarks with Android ones.
13. KParks23 (Posts: 395; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)
With that model number its a phone most definitely ... And my next phone bye bye galaxy S3
19. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5152; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Could be bye-bye RAZR and hello HTC for me as well. I hope HTC follows the form factor and materials they used in the EVO 4G LTE. That is a sweet handset, just limited to Sprint.
28. KParks23 (Posts: 395; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)
HTC and motor are known for excellent build quality and feel... And for me they way the phone feels is one of the most important things and this S3 is a really nice phone so far ill admit it's wayyyyy better than i was expecting but it feels like a cheap piece of plastic
4. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1025; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)
With a screen at 5 inches, the phone would have a ppi count of 418. That'd be insane.
7. Hammerfest (Posts: 346; Member since: 12 May 2012)
Galaxy Note 2 TYVM...
After the Titan fiasco and continuing issues even after...
Thats an old wound however, I enjoy my Galaxy Note, as long as the Galaxy Note 2 keeps a 16:10 aspect ratio youll find me there as well in the future...
9. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Can I ask u a question about the Note, do you find it too big to fit in ur pocket or andywhere. Because I'm really leaning into a Note-sized smartphone.
15. g2a5b0e (Posts: 1793; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Pisses me off, too! I'm eligible for an upgrade in 3 months & I can tell that this is the phone I've been waiting for (my G2 is looking pretty long in the tooth right now). I really hope T-Mobile gets this or some very close variant of it. I would probably pay more than it's worth...
20. crankyd00d (Posts: 191; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
It looks like all you're going to get in T-Mobile is the first gen Note, when the new one is just around the corner
23. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Buy unlocked is always the better choice
44. christony1120 (Posts: 65; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
yea it truly sucks that you cant afford it
14. Commentator (Posts: 2082; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
It'll be interesting to see how this stacks up against the LG Eclipse and the Samsung Galaxy Note II, and how well they actually do in the market. Is 5" really going to be the new 4"?
17. ojdidit84 (Posts: 162; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Hmmm... If this is true, I may not be leaving Verizon after all... Time to hurry up and wait...
18. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 612; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Have people complaining that it's going to VZW, what gives? The SG Note went to ATT and T-Mobile, not point in HTC going where it's already going to have competition. Be the first on VZW with a 5" Note like phone boasting insane capabilities and the latest version of Android and you can probably make some pretty brisk sales. This is definitely the HTC reply to Galaxy Note, no doubt about that. I just hope that it doesn't launch with HTC laundry list of software issues because of sense, like the battery gobbling power issues and buggy WiFi and things of that sort. Now that is out of the way, Motorola's next up to announce a beast of a phone...guaranteed it is going to be something guaranteed to trounce the Atrix just released on ATT and it's more than likely a Droid(guaranteed to be powerful and carrying top of the line specs when announced).
25. ohiwastedmylife (Posts: 17; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Why is the Adreno 320 a question? The benchmarks clearly say that IT HAS Adreno 320 -->http://www.glbenchmark.com/com
pare.jsp?benchmark=glenv&showh ide=true&certified_only=1&D1=H TC%206435LVW
26. Fayeznoor (Posts: 65; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)
@phonearena: Sad to see you people dont take TIPS seriously, I sent u this tip 24 hours ago but you didnt bother to read it nor post it. Sad
27. Owlet (Posts: 445; Member since: 21 Feb 2011)
Where do I preoder this thing? Where do I send a check, please???
29. blinkdagger (Posts: 81; Member since: 04 May 2012)
This is truly MONSTER! I hope there is global version of this.
32. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Yo Remixfa, where are you?
Cat got your tongue? :D
Meet the Snapdragon S4 quad!
39. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
and who didn't know it was going to be good? xD
42. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Sadly, seems that you need a memory refresh.
No one said it's not gonna be good.
You and Remixfa said that this chip won't be out this fall, and I dared you for a bet it will.
And that it will be the most powerful phone chipset released this year.
It absolutely demolishes the Exynos 4.
Given that the dual core A15/Exynos 5 shouldn't be that much more powerful than quad core Exynos 4, and quad core Exynos 5 is for now reserved for tablets, and we're still talking a pre-release units, it's prety indicative I might end up right on both accounts.
45. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
oh you seem to think that the Pro is out and you think you know how it stacks up to the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5xxx because of this. i see. of course any of the next SoCs will be impressive, the S4 is impressive, but are these scores indicative of it being the best of it's class? no. PA themselves say the Adreno 320 struggles against the PowerVR SGX543(MP4) and the OMAP5 will pack a 544(MP4) and ACTUAL A15 cores and there is no solid info for when these Pro packing devices are coming out so don't get too excited.
48. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 799; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
So basically were looking at Beastly level chipsets in a few months from now, either way all those chipsets with those GPU's would be like the Veyron's in different special edition versions. . .
50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
pretty much but if you want to argue which is the best i still wouldn't pull for Qualcomm (even though they probably SHOULD be being that they have such a lock on the US Market)
52. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
The OMAP5 will have an SGX544MP2 at just a tad over 500 MHz, which means it's just slightly faster than the SGX543MP4 in the iPad3. The OMAP5 will have two Cortex A15s at 2 GHz, for devices next year. Qualcomm will either be going with quad cores at similar clock speeds or going with massively overclocked dual cores.
In other words, you can probably expect these to be neck and neck.
53. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
even if the entry level OMAP5 comes with an MP2 the later versions in the series will come with MP4s.
this Krait architecture of Qualcomm's is only slightly better than Cortex A9. I'd still wager that dual A-15s will beat quad Kraits.
54. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
The only version of OMAP 5 announced for mobile phones is an MP2, nothing there about MP4s.
The Krait architecture is a pretty significant jump over Cortex A9, and is either equivalent in per MHz performance or just slightly slower, and the Cortex A15 only achieves performance superiority at the cost of more power consumption.
55. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
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they no doubt specified the GPU as an MPx because the design will use different multi-core configurations which means that the OMAP5430 will use an MP2 and something probably like an OMAP5460 will use an MP4 configuration.
it's certainly good but it's no A-15.
33. vladd100 (Posts: 56; Member since: 12 Jul 2012)
HTC must strike back with a solid android TAB over Microsoft decision regarding windows 8 RT.....
35. nedooo (Posts: 8; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
New iPads PowerVR SGX 543 MP4 scores 140 fps in GL Egypt offscreen test. Now where it the breakthrough?
43. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
You shouldn't compare a phone version GPU with the tablet iteration of another GPU.
Ipad has the 543MP tuned and revved up to the maximum- and that's possible because of iPad's huge battery.
The phone version of the same GPU is what you need to look at..and it's easily beaten by adreno 320.
Adreno 3xx architecture is just starting in its most basic, downclocked/ minimal core number iteration..the full development potential and overclocking/core adding abilities will be shown in laptops and tablets.
47. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
so how do you know what version this is i wonder. :P
remember the same GPU is in the PSV which has a much smaller battery and it can cross platform with the PS3. i think that voids your argument.
49. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Um, a phone version? :p
Qualcomm slated the adreno 320 also for laptops and tablets. Do you really think it will have the same configuration for the laptop and phones?
Use your brain.
And vita is a gaming device.
Its GPU would make a smartphone run out of juice too soon.
Smartphones are still a matter of compromise.
That being said, the iPad 3 games are visually more impressive than the Vita games.
Take into account the huge difference in number of pixels the ipad has to push, and do the math.
51. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, i actually looked back to see if i missed something but i just see numbers, not the configuration of the SoC. i know that there's different versions but you can't really say for certain that this has the lowest clock values. if it is the Phablet it would actually have a larger than average battery.
the Vita is coming in 4G and is available with 3G now so what's the difference?
i don't think so and if they were it would be a memory issue and not a GPU issue and with SoCs this powerful pushing pixels isn't really much of a chore for them. the difference would be negligible.
36. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
/drool.......... *wipes chin* yeah I think I'll be waiting for this phone to replace my Rezound...... just wow.....
38. downphoenix (Posts: 2134; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
wow, that sounds amazing. Hopefully Sprint gets something killer like this soon, they took forever just to get dual core phones, hold its not the same for quad.
40. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3503; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
HTC's answer to the Note maybe? Or perhaps a tablet? 1080p isn't necessary for a phone, but good marketing... Glad it's an S4 quad though, nice to finally see some benckmarks for it, looks like it's as impressive as ever. Hope they come out with a device packed with the S4 quad soon, hopefully with a smaller screen since I'm not really into tablets or phablets. 4.8" is my max probably, if they keep the bezel slim. And I hope they stick with 720p for the smaller version, don't need to waste any of that power pushing pixels that I can't even see.
46. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
I stick to Samsung especially with the Galaxy Note 2 coming soon. I wish Htc well in entering the challenge against Samsung in the phablet market. Htc better bring it's A game because 5.5inch screen will be hard to beat...
56. Deylune (Posts: 1; Member since: 16 Jul 2012)
i can tell that this is going to be my next Android phone by the sound of the specs and i like HTC phones a lot
57. CreeDiddy (Posts: 195; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
This is nice breakthrough technology. However, I am going to guess that Samsung is the first to 1920x1080 screen. Ipad has already doubled what is available in tablet market now. The smartphone is next...
58. g2a5b0e (Posts: 1793; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Possibly, but LG has the technology.