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Mobile Competition Part 2: Great Artists Steal

0. phoneArena 03 Oct 2011, 11:24 posted on

We've already looked at the strengths and weaknesses of each mobile platform, so now it's time to examine the overall competition in the market and what each company is aiming for...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 16:52 1

118. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Yeah, I learned that lesson with Apple when I had the iPhone 3G and had to wait for cut/paste. I'm not forgiving to Apple's strategy, that's why I don't personally buy the products. But, I understand why Apple does it, and why it won't change any time soon. When you buy an Apple product, you know it will excel in certain aspects: smoothest navigation/gestures, as yet the best display on the market, still one of the best cameras on the market, and amazing integration with other Apple products (iTunes, Apple TV, etc.) If you went into the iPhone 4, knowing that widgets had been on competing devices for years, but still weren't on the iPhone, how can you complain that the iPhone doesn't have widgets? That's like complaining because there's no SD card slot or removable battery on an iPhone. You should know what you're getting into, and if you make a mistake, sell it and get something you like. I bought my iPhone 3G in August of 2008 for $299, and got bored with the complete lack of customization available, so I sold it in March of 2010 for $300 on Craigslist, and picked up a Nexus One.

I'm a big proponent of the idea that if you don't like what you've got, change it, don't bitch about it.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 00:43

128. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Well Michael, as I said earlier - Apple WAS moving in the right direction in iOS 4 - bringing more customization options. So I assumed that they would continue the trend. I was just way too optimistic about it.

As for the change-if-you-don't-like-it thingy - again - different people live in different countries. Israel does not have 299$ iPhones available for sale. Even not on contract. And we don't have Craigslist either. Sure, I could sell my iPhone 4 right now as a second-hand device - for about 1500 NIS which are ~ 400$. But to buy let's say a Galaxy S 2 - I would need at least 2500 NIS. Which are ~675$. The deal you described in your post - it doesn't work this way here.

But yeah I agree that bitching about something ain't gonna help. I still would like to think that I made the right decision back in the day. Hopefully by the time I will get the $$$ for a serious upgrade - and decide to buy an Android device - Android will still be relevant.

I seem to have a tendency to purchase devices which at the time seemed like a good decision - but turned out to be lackluster several months later.

I bought the Samsung E250, thinking it to be a cool looking "3G slider" - my first phone with a camera - only to discover there is no 3G, and the camera is 0.3MP unlike the 2MP cameras available at the time.

I later bought the Nokia 5800, thinking that I finally have a device with a touchscreen (and I though of course that a touch screen means millions of apps, games, and silky smooth internet browsing) and a real camera. I mean - it's Nokia! It can't disappoint, right? Wrong!! I shudder at the memory of using a resistive screen, or the crime-against-humanity which was S60v5. And the camera wasn't very good either.

After that I began doing some serious cell phone research. Reading dozens of reviews, watching hundreds of YouTube videos about all kinds of phones ranging from simple Nokia phones to Windows Mobile phones to iPhones to anything else out there.

After deciding that Apple is best in 2010 - I bought the iPhone 4 - thinking that finally - I have a phone which will suit me in every aspect there is. And because Android is such a dangerous competitor - Apple will surely improve the customization aspects of their device. Again - I was wrong.

I seem to be having a bad luck of either assuming too much - or knowing too little at a certain point at the time of the purchasing decision.

Let's hope that when I buy the Samsung Galaxy S3 or whatever will be in store @ 2012 - Google won't decide to dismantle Android a few months later. Or that another company won't come with a technology to communicate with the phone via telepathy - and that Google won't decide to not include it in Android because it's "Not the Google way".

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 11:46 1

133. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'd hardly call wallpapers and folders "customization options". Everyone has bad luck with tech purchases sometimes. My first two computers were Sony Vaios, so I'm pretty sure I got all my bad luck out of the way with those.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 15:01

35. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


thank you Michael... and watch how ilia is taking a page out of Sniggly playbook...

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 15:02 4

36. ilia1986 (unregistered)


I believe that when it comes to the mobile industry consumer debate - to "take a page out of a Sniggly playbook" is the highest compliment ever to be given.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 15:17 4

41. Sniggly (Posts: 6946; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


*trying not to let my ego get the best of me* Thanks ilia. :)

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 00:09 3

60. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


notice how gallito takes out of "tacos playbook" and says something without adding a single thing to the conversation. lol.

i get what everyone is trying to say, but I do tend to side with sniggly on this one. Simply not giving apple our money isnt enough. There are too many gallito sized idiots out there willing to fork over every dime they make to get into the "cool" apple atmosphere for apple to pay attention to those that dont. Their profit margins are too high. Honestly, i dont think its "we " the consumers that need to rise, but they " the manufacturers" that need to start demanding better wages and satisfactory working conditions. That will take a huge chunk out of Foxconn, which will then be passed to Apple. Apple has a deaf ear to EVERYONE. We as consumers are by and large choosing android. Apple countered this by blatantly stealing many of android's features for iOS5... baked.. half baked.. no baked...stolen.
They arent innovating, and they arent listening. They are making too much profit to hear anything. Too many people will blindly just buy the next iphone for nothing more than the label of doing so. Apple needs to be hit in both the supply end and the demand end to realize it needs to change its game up.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 00:41

62. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Read the article because it destroys your argument. This changed my whole opinion about IP. With technology you have to build on ideas and bring your own parts of that idea. For example android took the app store and built on that. Which is ok. With the design part of technology you gotta be orginal though. You cant build on someone elses design. Thats why samsung who copied apples design is not ok. Even after steve jobs trued to negiotate with them they refused and in that case legal action must be taken. Look its ok to copy and build upon it but to blatently steal apple's charger and make it black is just a slap in the face. However apples lawsuit with htc are completly bogus based on nothing but some trivial features as those phones could not look more different. As far as working conditions it cant be just apple but the entire technology industry must be helping to aid workers in china. Its a broken system there and to just blame apple complelty ignores the problem.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 06:14

70. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


actually, you have it backward bio.

apple is suing samsung for look-a-like. Not illegal

Apple is suing HTC for some code that they use in Sense.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/

having similar, but not the same, designs is not illegal. patent infringement is.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 10:49

75. ngo2dd (Posts: 781; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Dude you are wrong, the IP that apple won on is not on sense but android that is why Apple name the nexus one in it law suit.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 16:44

88. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


If it was just android, they would be going after every android manufacturer and google with the same lawsuit. they are not. If its not in "Sense", then its still something added by HTC

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 12:41

82. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Having design similar enough to cause confusion for consumers is illegal actually. That's why cheap knockoffs are illegal. Samsung has just removed "cheap" from the equation.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 16:48

89. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I disagree. By that standard, then apple needs to be banned by not only LG but by Samsung as well. Samsung released a touch phone before the iphone with that very design, and lets not even talk about the LG prada.

A cheap knock off like those cPhones (chineese knock off iphones) tries to emulate the look of the iphone inside and out. It doesnt just take a few design cues, it takes the design and everything else it can to try to mimic the iphone. Samsung is not trying to mimic the iphone in every way. It (the SGS1) looks like a 3GS, (which looked like an LG Prada), which wasnt the current iphone model when it launched, and the app drawers look similar with some coloring similarities on the icons. Thats it. They do not look the same from the home screen, they dont act the same, they dont do the same things. They are functionally very different. Even my grandma can tell the difference between iOS and Android.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:21

97. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


The law isn't a matter of opinion. LG and Samsung may have had devices that the iPhone patterned its design upon, but neither had the standing in the market that the iPhone does, and as with every law, you need standing to enforce it. It's a terrible way for the law to work, but as is, if you're the big dog you can sue and win. If you're the little guy, you sue and hope to settle.

That said, your grandma sounds like she's in the top 20% of tech users, at least as far as the courts are concerned. Again, it may be terrible, and cause far more problems than it solves, but when it comes to tech, the courts tend to aim for such a low bar that it can seem insulting to those of us who understand technology. And, functionally different doesn't matter because there are still way too many customers who don't actually play with devices before buying. They hear "this is just like an iPhone", see that the icons look the same, the design is fairly similar and that's enough. Overall consumer knowledge is still pretty low, and the lowest of those are the ones that the courts try to protect, unfortunately.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 13:03

102. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


we will just have to agree to disagree. I still hold that some judges at least look at the law, not at the people in the suite, and follow the law. Hopefully that isnt a thing of the past just yet.. lol


And im sitting here looking at the tablets in the store, exept for the LG Gslate, they all use that same wide charger that samsung and apple both use. Without branding you couldnt tell who's was who. Since apple owns actual patents on its custom port designs, they are obivously not breaking apple's patents or we would be seeing that lawsuit in spades. A few minor design similarities is not enouh to win a lawsuit for blatant copying. Its all hypocracy of the highest order as apple has been caught as much if not more than others ripping off ideas and pretending they are theirs. Unless its a blatant copy from head to toe like those cPhones, or its a patent violation, they should all just shut up and go about with their own devices.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 10:59

95. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


you say samsung copied the ipad...apart from having a black bezel tell me where else the tab looks exactly like the ipad 2

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 13:20

25. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)


Michael Heller, thanks for making me think. I paused and had to reconsider when you highlighted the idea that information wants to be free.

So much time and effort has been thrown into gaining competetive edge via the patent system, it is easily lost that the patent system was started to foster innovation by the guarantee that ideas and inventions would be made public for everyone to use.

Rather than look down on copying, we can rest assured that copying is a sign the manufacturers/products we are fans of will continue to thrive...

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 15:27

42. Kalevro (Posts: 56; Member since: 11 Sep 2011)


Perfect story and it will end when smartphones reach the level of the laptop, then we will see.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 12:43

83. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Thanks for reading!

Of course, I'm not sure I take your point, since obviously no one ever debates Windows vs OS X vs Linux...

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 15:40

43. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 466; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


Wtf haha wheres motorola on the chart? are they that bad?

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 11:00

77. aar0983 (Posts: 51; Member since: 26 Sep 2011)


It's on the top, green

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 05:54

136. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 466; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


thats htc

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 16:38 1

48. Whateverman (Posts: 3195; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Great article Michael! But sad to say, it seems your words have fallen on deaf ears. Or maybe I'm making too much out of the article. It seems to me your saying, in this field of technology, comonality is inevitable. OSs are bound to look alike or use each others ideas in one form or another, and this silly war between iOS and Android is really silly when you step back and look at the big picture, or the direction each company is trying to take. I just got two questions for you...

1. If the two companies Apple and Google are running in two different races, why do you think the patent wars REALLY started? Because it reminded me of a really bad break-up when Steve found out Eric was seeing other companies behind his back. Apple started bad-mouthing Google on Facebook and to the, and now doesn't like any of Google's friends...I mean the whole thing just got as messy as Ron and Sam from Jersey Shore, you know!

2. Why do you think the war of the OSs started and have spilt over into the blogs, our homes, and offices everywhere? I've always said it was a combination of iOS fanatics rubbing their devices in everyone else's nose, The Droid coming out and give non-iOS users something to cheer about, and consumer reaction to the death grip and Steve Jobs saying they were holding it wrong. I was one the people who was angered by that reaction, but was shocked when the iOS fans blasted me for having an opinion of a phone I don't own. (even though I own other Apple and iOS devices, but I guess the iPhone is all that matters).

I just wanted you unbiased opinion as to how this whole thing got started and why these two OSs cause such an uproar never seen with Palm, BB, Windows and Symbian OSs.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 16:52 1

50. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


1. They may be running different races, but they are still competing. The patent wars didn't start with Apple, Google or Microsoft. It's been building for a while, and has just recently hit the tipping point into the public view.

2. The OS war was inevitable because of what I said in part 1: people can only afford one, so you hitch yourself and stick with it. Electronics have always seen this: Windows vs Mac, Nintendo vs Sega, Nintendo vs Sony, Sony vs Microsoft, and on and on. There's nothing special about this brand war over any other. The fanboy wars existed with Palm, BB, and Symbian, we just didn't see it because the factions were so small. The reason we didn't see this before with Palm or BB or anything is because smartphones didn't cross into the consumer mainstream until the iPhone.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 17:36

53. Whateverman (Posts: 3195; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Ahh, clarity. That does make sense. Before Android, I was heavy into Blackberry, but didn't see much of the BB vs Palm wars. I think Windows was universally loathed by many, but still had a very loyal following. By I won't go there. Away, thank you for your perspective.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 21:01

58. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Whateverman you seem logical most of the time. How can you say iOS users rub their devices in peoples face when Apple article after Apple article is slammed with trolls bashing Apple and it's users. Look through the android articles here and tell me you see the same thing from Apple users.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 04:09 1

67. Whateverman (Posts: 3195; Member since: 17 May 2009)


No, I wasn't very clear on that part. I was referring to the period before the Droid came out. There was nothing that could compete at the time, and there were many who looked down on anything that wasn't an iPhone. Or at least that's how it felt at times, could be wrong.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 12:44 2

84. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


The iPhone was definitely a status symbol and fashion accessory at first. It's still a fashion accessory for many, but not so much a status symbol.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 14:21

87. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


To me it's still more of a status symbol to most iPhone owners. In different parts of the world Apple is known to be a 'luxury' brand. Like in the Philippines, if you owned an iPhone or anything Apple, people will think that you are filthy rich. Same in Indonesia and some latin countries. In Thailand, just walk around in Bangkok carrying an iPhone in your hand will attract prostitutes. I know it sounds stupid but it's seriously real.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 03:28

104. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


It used to be a status symbol in the Philippines when the iphone first came out, even up to now. . . But its a pain to own an iphone in the Philippines right now, for the reason that many local brands and many china phone makers have created phones that actually look like an iPhone4 (imitation), sadly imitated products are rampant in southeast asian countries. . . only those that really know what the real iphone4 really looks like could distinguish the difference between the real one and the fake one. . . so owning an iphone4 now seems a pain in the ass when you stroll you see people holding many iphone copycats around. . . so the Tag of it being a STATUS symbol is slowly fading away. . .

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 10:53

76. ngo2dd (Posts: 781; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Ya your the one to talk taco, you troll all the time on android story saying the same thing all the time. You already stated that you don't even own and Android device, you only "use" them.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 13:20

85. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Not true I very rarely post on android articles and even posters on here who dislike me will agree with that.

I have used android phones in the past and am familiar with what they can do. For me I prefer iOS.

Android has advantages and disadvantages. I can tell you things I like about android.

Integration of google services
Google navigation
Voice controls are nice
A 4" screen would be nice, but for me not bigger than that

So I understand the positives and negatives on both OS's. For me I don't want to tinker with my phone all the time. iPhone still does everything I want it to do and is stable.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 16:49

90. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you post all over the place.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 18:23

54. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


Good write up. :)

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 20:59 1

56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Michael how can you say remix and sniggly are logical and impartial. Look at their comments.


27. remixfa posted on 7 hours ago 0 0

Apple is the king of stealing, which is why they have to share their gargantuan profits with everyone else. They keep losing patent infringement lawsuits.

26. Sniggly posted on 7 hours ago 0 0
Because that's a strategy that a fascist regime uses, not a business.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 01:07

64. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v​=CW0DUg63lqUr /> Apple does steal taco steve jobs said it. As michael said though its ok.
A a side not when apple steals its not blatent and they do add their own innovations as sj explained in the video.

And yeah i rarely do this but i dont agree with snigs about calling apple a facist regime. They are no where close that statement was a bit to much.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 06:48

72. protozeloz (Posts: 5375; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I like to use the word "borrow " companies borrow ideas from Eachother and add improvements to what they had. Like I say android was not a copy of ios but rather an evolution its why sharing ideas is awesome. And certain patents aren't so. Good

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 16:50 1

91. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


obviously its not OK if the other companies that hold the patent keep wining chunks of Apple's profits in lawsuits.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 04:29

68. Sniggly (Posts: 6946; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Lol, because trying to force people to deal with NO ONE ELSE but you IS something a fascist regime would do. I'm not saying Apple IS a fascist regime. I'm saying that to them the free market has little meaning unless it's serving them. They only want the market to be free for them. The other businesses in the tech market understand what Michael has said in this article however and don't actively seek to force their competitors out of market with a zillion lawsuits.

And while it was flattering that Michael called me impartial and logical (or at least not rabid/totally fanboyish) I'm not going to self censor my opinions on what Apple does wrong just to suit YOUR opinion of what impartial is.

Why?

It's simple. Your version of impartial is to act like Apple does nothing wrong ever and to s**t all over Android every chance you get.

Here, let's test you, Taco: is Android a good operating system?

Your answer would probably be a big, fat NO!

Sniggly, is iOS a good operating system?

YES. It doesn't fit my needs by a long shot, but I understand its value and I also understand that it consistently accomplishes what it was designed to accomplish for its users. The only operating system I would not consider "good" which is on the market currently, in fact, is Blackberry OS, but I'm reserving judgment for 2012 and QNX.

This would be the logic and impartiality that Michael is talking about. I may see Apple doing things and dislike them more than the average consumer, and I lean toward Android and away from Apple due to my ethical code, but I can still recognize that Apple generally makes quality products that work for consumers, and in the phone world their products even manage to not be horrifically overpriced.

You, however, refuse to recognize this simply because I deign to find things I don't like about Apple in the first place.

But why bother explaining this to you? You never listen anyway.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 21:00 1

57. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


And even your comment is over the top

"There's no law stating that Apple be an abusive husband with its customers"

Apple treats it's customers great or they wouldn't keep coming back. If you don't like what they offer you don't buy. It's simple.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 00:45 1

63. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Lol if providing a great phone at competitive prices with excellent support is abussive then abuse me whenever you want. :)

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 01:22

65. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I was just giving illa crap. That seems to be the main argument is that Apple is abusive to customers by withholding features and forcing obsolescence on older devices. And that Apple is a bully to other manufacturers. It's just silly because if Apple was that bad people wouldn't buy the products, no matter how good they are.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 11:01 2

78. ngo2dd (Posts: 781; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


You will be surprise with the myths that Apple product has. Apple does a great job in marketing itself and have an image of greatness. That is why so many people think Mac can't get malware or spyware. But little do people know Mac are always the first to be hack in the PWN to Own competition. Apple product sell great partly due to it image, not because their product is always great.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 13:21

86. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Sorry I took it literally. I obviously misunderstood the context.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 06:43

71. protozeloz (Posts: 5375; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


You where not reading in the context those words were used

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 06:01

69. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Nice follow-up article, well it does expound my understanding so thanks Michael. . .

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 17:31

92. RandomVerizonGuy (unregistered)


First off, Great follow up article Michael!

Now to get into the fun stuff. Apple is definitely acting like a Fascist regime with all their lawsuits. they are impeding inovation and hurting the industry as a whole. what I dont understand is why the Gov't is letting Apple get away with all these rediculous lawsuits. Apple has plenty of money, so why do they spend so much time trying to stifle their competition instead of actually releasing a product that isnt already behind the curve? Iphone 4S.. whoopty doo! no one cares but apple fanboys, because they are the only ones who dont realize, or choose to ignore that Apple isnt even inovative anymore. They just bump up the specs slightly then advertise the s**t out of it til every unintelligent, fashion hungry, popularity whore, drools at the mouth for one of these "new" iphones.

Surprisingly I actually use to have an iphone 3G, at the time it was the best web browsing smartphone and that main reason led me to my purchase. then when i realized how restrictive iphones were, I Jail broke that POS and that improved it til i had a chance to escape the concentration camp also known as "apple iphone"

So i work at a Verizon store, now i get to spend alot of my time convincing idiots out of apple and into the better android OS. Rant over/

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:29 1

98. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


As I've said in other comments, my theory is that Apple plays the bully (not fascist) because it wants to control the pace of innovation. Apple has to be very careful that it doesn't get left behind with its once-a-year update schedule. It has to push itself to innovate as fast as possible through forced obsolescence of older models. On the other side, it needs to slow down the update rate of competition, even if it's through frivolous lawsuits that take resources away from hardware. Additionally, Apple tends to have the media on its side (I work at an NBC local news affiliate, and see the Apple-bias all the time,) and when most people hear that Apple is suing another company for patent infringement, people assume Apple has been stolen from. Apple is the king of marketing for a reason. It knows how to make others (fanboys, non-tech fans, and media) do its work.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 16:15

103. snowgator (Posts: 3205; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


As a tech novice, I tend to stay out of the big guns way when the iOS/Android wars are at the peak. But the one thing I will stick to and voice an opinion on: The whole idea of keeping an ecosystem of both software and hardware in this day and age of mobile is near impossible, and may prove to be Apple's own undoing down the road. Apple's iPhone updates are getting longer and longer between devices. They are trying to keep up with software innovation (cloud services, widgets, ect) and hardware innovations (LTE, the desire for larger screens and more form factors, ect) AND distribution in the world economy. While some of those factors Apple will always be a master at, others start to pose problems as their competition only has to be good in parts. Google doesn't care about hardware. There isn't a handset manufacturer that doesn't put out Android devices except Nokia and Blackberry. Nokia is trimming it's expenses by adopting WP. That leaves Blackberry, which is falling way behind in profit levels, and Apple trying to do it all. Apple HAS to slow things down, and litigation makes sense.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:16

108. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


This year was the first year that the next gen iPhone didn't come out in early summer (likely because Apple didn't want to have nothing for the holiday season.) I'd bet that this will be the only aberration in Apple's strict yearly cycle for updates.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:06 2

96. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


apple fans will stick up for apple and android fans will stick up for android...anyone neutral does not know what they are saying....its hard to get your point through to a super fanboy as anything that you say that doesn't go with there fanboyism belief just goes right past them...

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:31 1

99. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Sorry, I don't understand the phrase "anyone neutral does not know what they are saying". I feel like you mean "fanboys don't understand anyone who is neutral", but I'm not sure. Can you explain?

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 12:21

101. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i think he means "anyone neutral...." as in from a fanboys eyes. No matter how neutral my arguement is, I always have iFans calling me a fandroid simply because it doesnt fit in their narrow scope of thinking. You either agree, or your a fanboy of the other side. No room for grey.

Amazing though that its always the iBots calling me a fandroid no matter how neutral my arguement is, unless im praising apple for something... but yet you never hear the fandroids never calling me an ibot when i make a neutral arguement, or even when i say i think one of them is wrong in their statements.. hmmmm.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 10:24

107. snowgator (Posts: 3205; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


I think that is because the Android supporters know you enjoy Android products, so they see your arguments for "the other side" for what they are- objective. But the Apple supporters here seem to be suspicious of your every move.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:19

109. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I assumed that's what he meant, but the phrasing was very odd.

As yet, I think I've only been called an iSheep once since joining PA, and that was because I had the gall to point out that Apple's huge year-on-year increase in "brand value" was a more interesting story than Google staying number 1.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:47

100. RandIzzo (unregistered)


Micheal, thanx for the great article. One thing though, you seem to defend apple and it frivolous lawsuits. Apple may have its reasons, slow down the competition so you dont get left behind!? Thats playing dirty and there is nothing too it. Its wrong. If apple wants to do things right, maybe they need to speed up their update schedule. Dont keep the rest of the world waiting becoz you cant do your stuff fast enough.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:21

110. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


As I've said, I don't like Apple's tactics, and because of that, I won't buy an iPhone. But, I will defend Apple's right to play it that way. There's nothing illegal about being a bully or withholding features, and if Apple thinks its reputation can take the hit, then it's up to Apple to decide if that's the best path.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 07:29

106. Cyd07 (Posts: 83; Member since: 03 Oct 2011)


Great article. Part 1 was great too.

First article I read from this site : I've put phonearena in my favourites.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:22

111. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Awesome! Looking forward to seeing you in the comments.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 13:37

113. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


Banksy is the man

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