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Mobile Competition Part 1: What OS is best for you

0. phoneArena 23 Sep 2011, 12:31 posted on

Part 1 of 2 covering iOS, Android and the smaller competing platforms, the strengths and weaknesses of each, and why you might choose one over another. Part 2 will focus on the overall competition and its effect on the mobile space...

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posted on 24 Sep 2011, 16:17

209. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Not true, so there goes the lying part again, and thus the reason I can never take you serious. You lie too much. You're a liar and i'll prove it again! iPhone 5, on my account, for free. Now find the comment where I said anything close me admitting to pirating apps. I'll give you a whole year to find the proof.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 16:35

211. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

You said you pirated iWork. You also don't want to use iTunes because you don't want to pay for apps.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 16:36

212. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

You still haven't answered the question of what function you can do that I can't. You dont answer a question with a question.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 16:40

213. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i notice that you only call me a "fanboy" when i dont agree with you, and when i do, you do your best to ignore it. one sided much? lol

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 16:42

214. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

why waste my time proving myself right? you need to prove me wrong, not me prove me right.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 18:41

215. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

which highlights a great point

wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 19:10

216. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

True, it isn't. It's just parroting what they have also read as far as what those who reviewed the iPhone have said. But think about it, it you look at what the current iPhone has in common with old smartphones that established that market. What you're saying is an app store makes a phone a smartphone. So what would you call Blackberries, and Palms before they had their app stores? They didn't have apps stores when they were introduced, but they did have the ability to download programs from other sources. You weren't locked into whatever came with your device. Why wouldn't this be a requirement for all smartphones now, because Apple says so? You can believe that if you wish, there's nothing wrong with that, but that's not enough for me.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 22:01

221. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Like I said, ops can't do word wrap on safari. Check your phone and see. Now can you answer my question or just keep avoiding the subject? Man up and answer the question. What makes a phone a smartphone?

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 22:21

223. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

just to bring up a point

the "multiple sources" part is disingenuous. Before the iphone's app store there was no centralized location on any true smartphone platform to get apps. You had to search the internet for them. Neither windows, nor palm, nor blackberry had an app store before the iphone. The one thing apple did right was making apps very easy to find.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 23:32

226. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Let's not forget about Handango, that's what most people used, but I get your point. Apple was the first to make an app store specifically for their phone. But if that's what makes a phone a smartphone, then nothing before the iPhone would have qualified. So if a centralized app store is what makes a smartphone, where is the line drawn? Downloading apps can't be it, because I downloaded apps long before using a smartphone.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 23:40

227. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

I don't have iWorks on my computer, and I have an iTunes account. Try another lie and this time, provide a link to prove it. I'll even give you a hint, check the article about iOS and Android being safer than PCs. You have 364 more days left.

posted on 25 Sep 2011, 04:10

232. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)

Thanks, I'll ask someone who has a nonJailbroken iPhone (in my workplace) next time to be sure. . .

posted on 25 Sep 2011, 08:01

238. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

no, the point i was making was... app store or no app store doesnt make a difference. as long as it has the ability to run real apps and not just BREW apps, then its a smartphone feature. That doesnt automaitcally mean its a smartphone either.. its just part of what a smartphone should be able to do. Thats why I keep a checklist of smartphone features that have been on anything ive ever felt was a smartphone. if it doesnt meet the list, its not a smartphone.

no phone up until the iphone had a central app listing, and their were hundreds of smartphones before the iphone.

posted on 25 Sep 2011, 14:25

244. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

BREW is every bit a legitimate OS, as is Android, iOS, or BB. But because Qualcomm designed it to be a basic cell phone OS, and a bit of a step up from our old Startac and Nokia 6110s (boy, I used to love snake). But Qualcomm has somewhat neglected, or at least they didn't evolve the BREW platform very much. If give the proper attention and maybe the same kind of vm that Android uses, BREW could have possibly evolved into a powerhouse OS. But one characteristic that BREW shares with iOS, is that although anyone can make an app in just about any coding language they wish, that app can only be ported by the carrier or the phone manufacture. I know that YOU know I'm speaking the true on that. So let's come together on this.

I can except that the iPhone or any phone being a smartphone seeing only when both of our conditions are meet.

1. The phone can not run the standard BREW format commonly used on current feature phones. And must have the ability to run full programs as opposed to simple games and plug-ins. And of course everything you said before as far as copy and paste and multi-tasking (even though iOS doesn't really have that either, but i digress.)

2. The phone must have the ability to download applications from at least one third party app store. For example, an iPhone, once jail broken, would qualify as a smartphone. (Remember, I never thought even a jail broken iPhone qualified before. So, I'm meeting you half way on this.)

So what do you think? Can we agree that these should be a starting point for smartphone qualifications?

posted on 25 Sep 2011, 17:08

247. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

brew at one time was the main starting OS code on everyone's phone. it could never be a smartphone OS, it wasnt designed to be that way.

#1 i can go for, but #2 i think your really sticking to the wrong point. Because under that guise, then windows mobile, palm, and blackberry didnt become a smartphone until AFTER the iphone did, as they just recently implemented centralized app stores. Windows mobile was the defacto high powered phone OS that is what a full smartphone "was". It may not have always been very stable, but it was the most powerful by far in features and functions. It never got a centralized app store, unless you want to count that crappy half assed try they added in with windows mobile 6.5.

Why exactly does it matter where the app comes from as long as it is a full featured app? Maybe I'm just missing the point in here somewhere. If its the same app from the centralized store, or from some internet site, what's the difference?

posted on 25 Sep 2011, 19:56

251. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

My point isn't so much where they come from, it's the lack of freedom is what I'm getting at. All feature phones are completely locked down. You have no say so in what apps you can have. Smartphones never had that level of restriction. If a software developer writes the app, it was yours for the taking and your carrier had no says so in the matter. A smartphone, at least during my training, was described to me as a mini-computer and one of the neccesary function was the ability to download applications from anywhere. Much like how we have that ability on our desktops, laptops, and net books. You don't have to download all of your software from Dell, Gatewaand or even Apple for those who have iMacs. Why shouldn't a mini-computer have that same capability if it's possible?

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 07:16

258. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I get where your going with that, and for a while, that was completely true. All smartphones could download apps from any site they were found on. But they also lacked a central location to download apps easily from. you had to know where to go find them.

If you get angry birds on some website, or from the centralized store.. whats the difference? From personal experience, i could say you probably saved an hour of searching the internet by getting it from the central app store. I like being able to get apps from anywhere and I like an OS that gives me freedom. Thats why I choose android. However, if they took away the ability to get apps from elsewhere, I would be mad about it, but I would still consider it a smart phone, as it still can get apps. I think fighting over the location of where you get apps is splitting hairs.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 13:28

259. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

I concede, the location isn't as important as the freedom of choice. That's why i'm willing to say a jail broken iPhone is a smartphone.

This isn't splitting hairs because again it's not about the location. It about the restrictions placed on the device. The control Apple has over what YOU are allowed to put on YOUR device. It would be one thing if we were talking about your company's IT restricting usage, but its Apple. What other electronic computing devices have their full abilities block by the manufacture? The only thing I can think of is a basic cell phone. And this isn't something that I've set as a standard. This was exactly why some of the reviewers we follow as well as other industry experts had an issue with calling it a smartphone as well. This isn't all me.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 19:50

261. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Dont get me wrong, I completely agree with trying to avoid OS's that have huge restrictions from the manufacturer on them. I dont like being told what i cant do, only what i can do. Unfortunately the norm now is app store only restrictions. Exept blackberry and Android, everyone else has pretty much locked their phones down to the app store. So unless we start knocking out OG smart phones like windows and palm, we are just going to have to accept that.

or we could just agree to disagree.. lol.

posted on 26 Sep 2011, 20:08

262. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Aha, but there's the rub. It isn't YOURS. It's Apple's smartphone that Steve Jobs has been kind enough to let you use. It is still a smartphone however.

You have to remember, smartphones are NOT computers, and you can't place the same definitions on them. Apple wants to ensure a safer environment, so users don't have to worry about virus protection or malware. Regardless of the ease of hacking either device, there can be no argument that the Android Market and ecosystem has a ton of malware in it. What you see as restrictions on what you can do with the device is seen as features of enhanced security and ease of use by many others. And, because all of the hardware is the same with Apple, if there is an exploit that could be taken advantage of with a 3rd party app, it's in Apple's interest on behalf of consumers to not allow that possibility. Remember, most users aren't nearly as savvy with their devices as we are and could easily be suckered into something that could cause a lot of problems in a unified ecosystem like iOS. That's a feature tradeoff and decision for consumers to make whether or not they want to be in that system. It doesn't make the iPhone any less of a smartphone because of it. You don't like it, so you don't buy it. Simple as that.

That said, you posted links before of articles (which seemed to be citing the same source) which claimed the iPhone wasn't a smartphone at launch in 2007. And, I completely agree with that point. Have you shared links with more recent reflections on that topic? (Sorry, I haven't had a chance to go through the entire exchange with you and Taco.)

posted on 27 Sep 2011, 04:59

263. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

How could you? You have a life! But sadly no recent articles. I realize I am a lone wolf on this issue, but the facts of that article has changed only so much. It clearly stated "3rd party software", and when I first read it 4 years ago, it only reinforced what I was told and its tough to change that line of thinking just because Apple says we should.

To use yet another analogy; if Ford bumped up the fuel consumption on the Mustang to 40 MPG, that would make it very fuel efficient, but that wouldn't make it a hybrid, right? Because it's still missing that key feature of having that second power source. Any car that doesn't have that second powerplant, doesn't get the distinction of being called a hybrid. So why is it that Apple is allowed to remove key features and still have that distinction of being a smartphone? And sure, they say its for security reasons, and I know what your saying about the unified eco-system is 100% true. But he did it for the money. Apple gets paid 10 different ways for everything people do on an iphone or ipad. From charging the app developers an application fee, to getting a share of the ad money from our clicks. Apple left flash and 3rd party apps off of iOS because there was no profit in it for them. Blackberry is widely excepted as the most secure mobile OS there is, yet they manage to allow 3rd party apps with very few issues. This is pure greed at its best and its working to the tune of $76 Billion!

Lastly, I know you guys are probably this guy is just too thick headed to get it! But believe me, I get every excellent point both you and remixfa have made. It's just I don't think Apple deserves this pass. This whole thing just reminds me of the Emperor with No Clothes. The Emperor struts his new attire so convincingly that the crowd wants to believe he really is wearing the most elegant of fabrics. And I'm like the little kid yelling, "Hey, the Emperor has no clothes."

posted on 27 Sep 2011, 10:55

266. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I just think you're misinterpreting "3rd party software". The OG iPhone didn't pass that test because it didn't have any 3rd party apps at all. The App Store wasn't introduced until iOS 2.0. I don't think it has anything to do with being able to install apps from outside sources.

posted on 27 Sep 2011, 22:55

267. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

No, I know 3rd party software is basically any software not developed by the manufacture. With the exception of a few iWork app, everything on the app store is 3rd party. What it seem if done is put to much emphasis on where the apps should come from. My real issue is the lock down. The lock down and control of the device Steve allows his followers to use ishad no other precedence in smartphones, only feature phones. And it would have been okay had they taken the Android route allowing users to decide for themselves. But the lock down and control is my real issue.

posted on 28 Sep 2011, 17:12

269. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

and there in lies the difference. some people like freedom and all the good and bads with that, and some people like confinement and saftey, with all the goods and bads of that.

we all have that choice to make. Is one better than the other? Is one less of a good idea than the other? Each side will talk up their side and point out issues with the other. Its all preference. It is 2 sides to the same coin.. but yet, it IS the same coin. 2 ways to run a smartphone, but it is still a smartphone.

And no, only fools that think apple is always right or have no idea of what a smartphone is or how little the iphone2g did at launch... think the iphone was a smartphone at launch.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 15:39 1

77. kunal2609 (Posts: 10; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)

peter,where r u???????!!!!!lol
firstly,lovely article...
secondly,i have used all the operating systems except windows(being the major one,dnt cnsdr meego n webos big in india),n i like the simplicity of symbian,although it provides wid folder sub folder layout,it provides with everything...it is resource efficient,battery is awsum n multimedia is also gud...saying that i would not mind android or ios...have used galaxy s n iphone 4 also...

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 06:11 1

178. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

he said on another thread that he thinks somehow Phone Arena has an anti-bada bias through some private emails he was doing with them... and is boycotting the site until they become pro-Bada. Concidering the amount of bada news, i dont know how he could say they werent at least middle of the road about bada.

were gonna miss you peter! :(

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 16:33 1

210. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Lmao at Peter boycotting PA. Strange dude.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 21:02

219. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Peter is boycotting??? What article was that on? Geez. That is really, really strange. Boy ain't all there.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 22:23

224. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i dont remember, it was one of the articles i read twards the bottom of the page earlier today.. it may still be at the bottom, or it may be on page 2. It was just kind of random... especially since all the attention bada has been getting since he has been trumpeting it like a mad man.

posted on 25 Sep 2011, 01:44

230. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Meh. If he wants to throw a hissy let him. I'll miss his craziness, but he'll be back.

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