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Mobile Competition Part 1: What OS is best for you

0. phoneArena 23 Sep 2011, 12:31 posted on

Part 1 of 2 covering iOS, Android and the smaller competing platforms, the strengths and weaknesses of each, and why you might choose one over another. Part 2 will focus on the overall competition and its effect on the mobile space...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:19

160. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


taco,
apples exchange support was an industry joke. I remember so many businesses dropping VZW and going to ATT to get the iphone because it finally added exchange support...

only to cancel those contracts and beg to come back, because the iphones exchange "support" was a joke. The Voyager had better email syncing and it didnt even do exchange.


the iphone was NOT a smartphone up until it got REAL exchange, cut n paste, fake multitasking, and some minor corperate security. It is a smartphone in the lightest sence of the word. Go to a real business that uses corperate email with security needs.. tell me how many iphones there are.... zero. but u will find plenty of blackberrys, androids, and windows phones.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:25 4

161. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


my battery has lasted me 3 days

if i lost, ran over, droped in water, or otherwise voided my warranty, i can call insurance and have another phone over nighted to me. if they are out of that model, i get a free upgrade to the new one.

i can have warranty devices over nighted to me for free without driving anywhere.

i can update my software on the fly.. that OTA updating is nice. i dont need to wait for a computer.

Not only can I store AND listen to all the music i want at google music for FREE no matter WHERE i got it, i can also download it for FREE because i can get it from anywhere on the internet, not just itunes.
and if i dont want to sync music, i can use as many 16gig cards as i feel like since memory is interchangeable.

My battery life is infinite. after i get my 2 days + out of one battery, i can instantly change it to another battery on the fly since they are interchangeable.



Try playing a game live, while being on a video call, while flipping back and forth to the internet, copying and pasting something into a document, flip back to the game in the exact same spot your in, email that document, while streaming music from the internet, and go back to that game and call.. without interrupting anything.

oh.. what? i guess u cant.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:38

164. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I have stated that opinion before as well about ATT locking their devices down, that it technically makes it a feature phone. I'm consistent with my belief weather it's Apple or Android. And so far, no one has presented me with anything to convience me of anything different. I'm not having this debate just to be difficult, this is one of the things I was taught during training. Now if that has changed then fine, I would adjust my definition. But there still is no across-the-board definition of what a smartphone is.

So instead of trying to make sense of what I feel, educate me. I'm not buying the app store, exchange email, or internet browsers because most feature phones had those same capabilities when the iPhone was introduced. It can't be OS, because BREW is still somewhat of an OS. So please, educate me. What makes a smartphone a smartphone?

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:57

165. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Because nothing has changed on the iphone since 2008. Oh wait a minute, didn't you guys get MMS last year? Never mind, but yes...the iPhone has progressed into an even BETTER feature phone! The best in the world in fact. But you still haven't answered my question. If all these feature phones can get apps, access the internet, and has exchange email, does that make my old LG Dare a smart phone too? What makes the iPhone a smartphone and my Dare not a smartphone, if I had the same feature back then as you do now? We won't even mention that technically had more features seeing as though it had an SD card slot, syncing and tethering capabilities.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 01:10 1

166. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'll have to take time to consider a full definition of a smartphone, but I do know that the ability to sideload apps is not a breaking line of that definition, because in my definition the iPhone, WP7 and Motorola Atrix are all smartphones. I'll either get back to you or write up an article. Maybe next week, because I've still got part 2 of this piece to finish.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 01:28

167. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)


That's a deal my friend. If you can convince me, I will stop saying it for ever! And for the record, it's not that I don't like the iPhone. I mean who wouldn't like it? It's a great phone, I just I like Android better, at least as far as phones go.

Even though we may disagree, but I still think you're writing like Snoop in 92', so I'm really looking forward to part two of this article!

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 01:37 1

168. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Oh, snap!!! Taco, are you okay? I know that had to hurt.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 04:11 1

172. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Pardon me, just want to ask this one, I'm very curious does an iPhone have bluetooth sharing capabilities (device to device), like sharing of Photos/Mp3's/Mp4's etc?

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 06:03

175. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


sorry WEM, but i dont think the app store arguement is a good one.

the iphone IS a smartphone now. It became one after the last few updates. It WAS NOT a smart phone when the iphone 2g launched. It was a really nice feature phone. It was lacking way too many features to be a smartphone. Shady advertising by apple convinced everyone it was a smartphone before it was.

It is nice that we live in a world of updates as any phone can pretty much be turned into a smartphone if it has the horsepower to handle the updates.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 06:07

176. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


copy/paste
multitasking
real exchange support
exchange security.
real apps, not brew apps. :)

Thats my criteria for "smart phone". Thats most people's criteria for smartphone that actually need a smartphone's capabilities.

And honestly, under that criteria, Android was not a true smartphone at launch either. While it did have exchange support, it did not have good exchange security protocols for real business use, much like apple when they first put on exchange support.
Unlike apple, that was fixed relatively quickly after launch instead of waiting 2 years.

you may not like it, but I am nothing but fair.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 06:25

179. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


example correction

1) the iphone was not a smartphone at launch. It IS one now, so why are you still crying about it

2) some iphone users are sheep. Miz and gallito come to mind specifically. You are still a loyal apple customer, but since you have been behaving, i havent been calling you a sheep. A sheep is not only blind to everything apple does that is not awesome (and u still fall under this), but they also act like a complete idiot and dont say anything of note (you have gotten much better at this).

3) i think as an over all company, apple has a bad track record. Is it evil? i dont think it has a soul. But apple has the deaths of many workers on his head and the blood of their slave like work conditions in every iphone. If you can live with that, fine. I want no part of it. Nor do I want any part of their 1984 big brother like attitude on their products. i buy a product from you doesnt mean u get to control me through it for the rest of my life.

4) i have some extremely intelligent friends that are diehard apple users. Then there are people on this board that are the exact opposite. Most people are talking about the loud mouths on the board.

5) did darthball hurt your feelings? Want a tissue? Thats his opinion. You have said many vile things about android, so until you hold yourself to the same standard, quit whining about others.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 07:02

182. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Yes, it has bluetooth it can share files. But I think it's limited, can't tell much since every iphone I know has being jailbroken.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 10:55

187. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I think remixfa has a good start with:
-copy/paste
-multitasking
-real exchange support
-exchange security.
-real apps, not brew apps.

But, I would also add:
-a full featured web browser
-advanced text input features (not just T9)
-minimum 3G support + WiFi
-make and receive calls (it must be a phone after all)
-advanced video playback (not just 3GP)

I'm having trouble coming up with more, but the basic idea is this: most BlackBerries are smartphones and they make up what I consider the bottom rung of smartphones. But, fringe phones like the OG T-Mo Sidekick are under that rung and are not smartphones.

It feels like there is another requirement based on the ability to add extensive features with software updates, but I'm not sure how to express that.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 12:58

190. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


we should probably throw in GPS too. even though thats pretty much standard on all phones now.. it didnt used to be.

I wouldnt throw in the 3g part myself, as if your trying to make a blanket statement about smartphone features, you will be excluding a lot of the OG's of the smartphone world that were edge and/or wifi only.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:00

191. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, Get It Now was BREW only apps. not real apps. and they couldnt multitask nor cut n paste.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:19

192. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'll agree on GPS, but I think 3G sticks, because most of those 1st gen "smartphones" would be disqualified by other metrics we've set out as well. OG iPhone didn't have 3rd party apps or GPS. G1 didn't have exchange (although it did have 3G).

I don't know, the more I think about it, maybe 3G isn't a necessary feature, WiFi certainly is tho.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:30

193. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


This is why you're a fanboy. Business people are switching from blackberry to iPhone in droves. I use an iPhone for exchange email and it works much better than a blackberry.

Comments like "fake multitasking" and "smartphone in the lightest since of the word" make you a fanboy. You can barely hold back your contempt for the iPhone.

I can google in two seconds the fact that businesses are switching to iPhones. The voyager was a joke by the way. I can't believe you'd even compare it to an iPhone.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:43

194. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


The iPhone hasn't progressed since 2008? Why do you continue to make ridiculous statements?

Dare didn't have a real web browser it used wap would be one huge reason. It didn't have a real email client is two. Remosync which was a 3rd party brew app doesn't count as real exchange support.

Do you really think the dare was a better phone overall than the iPhone? If so you're so blind this discussion is over for me.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:46

195. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I found you an article where samsung was being sued for 60 worker deaths and the article mentioned that samsung employees had complained for years about poor working conditions. The clothes on your back are most likely made in sweatshops. You have selective outrage against Apple.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:52

196. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


"Try playing a game live, while being on a video call, while flipping back and forth to the internet, copying and pasting something into a document, flip back to the game in the exact same spot your in, email that document, while streaming music from the internet, and go back to that game and call.. without interrupting anything."

I can do everything you listed here on my iPhone.

I understand fandroids are cheap and don't want to pay the artist for their hard work.

Warranty really? That's not a feature but ok Apple has warranty and insurance also so I don't see your point. Verizon will overnight me a warranty iPhone as well

You're straight up lying about 3 days of battery life unless the phone sat on a shelf untouched.



You just prove my point of being a fanboy. You guys take the argument everywhere. Make false claims that iPhone can't do things it can and list things that have nothing to do wih anything like warranty.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:53

197. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Lol you're an idiot and this article has proven it.


Hey taco iPhone doesn't use a micro USB charger so it's not a smartpohne.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:00

198. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, your inability to think of anything negative about a platform makes you a fanboy.

i realize you have all this "inside information".. oh wait.. you dont. Blackberry has a lock on business class corperate email, even today. Where do u think the bulk of their sales are? Noone is dropping blackberries and picking up iphones in droves that needs secure email. I've watched companies do that, and they have a 100% return rate back to blackberries. If they want a touch screen with security they get android more times than not.. specifically moto blur androids if they do any research because they have extra security on top of android's already good exchange security.
Do some business people get iphones? of course. noone is saying they dont. not all businesses need advanced security email... but if you need advanced security, iphone isnt even on the plate.

it is fake multitasking. just get past it.

i dont have contempt for a phone. its a piece of electronics. im sorry if you have emotions twards a piece of glass and metal. it doesnt love you back no matter how much you try.

when the voyager launched it had more OS features than the iphone. simple fact. go do a point to point with an iphone 2g on iOS1 vs a voyager. you will be sad. neither were smartphones back then. The iphone of course gained more features in the end, but that has nothing to do with that particular point in time.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:05

199. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


smartphones go back farther than android and iOS. Palm didnt have 3g until the bitter end.. many many windows phones did not have 3g.. heck most blackberries didnt even get 3g till a little while ago. Tmobile didnt get its first "3g" blackberry till this past year.. lol. You would be negating 70% of smartphones before 2008.

I dont concider Android when it first came out a smartphone because of the lack of exchange and exchange security. That got fixed quickly though comparitively. Android 2.0 I believe is when exchange dropped on the scene for everyone, though moto blur had exchange built into it, even on android 1.5 with the Cliq, so though it was mid/bottom tier, it was among the first android true smartphones.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:09

200. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol, can you send me a video of your iphone doing that paragraph of stuff as proof please? go ahead, ill hold my breath while i wait.

lol

is your new thing calling everyone a fanboy to make it look like your not somehow? calmed down or not you are still one of the most biased "fanboys" on this site... lol

wait, so you think an iphone4 and an SGS1 cant get similar battery life? They run ON THE SAME HARDWARE. Yea, I am smart enough to tweak my phone and save juice.. its totally possible. when PA tested the SGS2 it got almost more than 2 days of life out of the box with regular usage. What do u think it could get with some good tweaking?? lol.
dont be so blind to the world around you.. geesh.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:35

202. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)


The problem is the restrictions and controls that manufactures and carriers place on individual devices.  They somewhat blur the lines between feature/smartphone past and present.  For example: every smartphone nowadays has 3G and WiFi.  ATT offered WiFi with their Blackberries yet VZW left it off until the Storm 2.  Yet they were still smartphones.  But one thing all the old smartphones were able to do in the past was downloading apps from multiple sources.  Not to be a dead horse here but here is something I pulled of of Wikipedia about the iPhone: "As a result of the iPhone's initial inability to install third-party native applications, some reviewers considered the originally-released device to be more akin to a featurephone than a smartphone.  A process called jailbreaking emerged quickly to provide unofficial third-party native applications."

Now from that I hear that an iPhone isn't a smartphone until the user jailbreaks it.  And the purpose of jailbreaking is to give users the ability to download apps from Cydia, correct?  

But I also found things that countered my point.  This one is from webopedia, and it states "A smartphone is considered to be the combination of the traditional PDA and cellular phone, with a bigger focus on the cellular phone part. These handheld devices integrates mobile phone capabilities with the more common features of a handheld computer or PDA. Smartphones allow users to store information, e-mail, install programs, along with using a mobile phone in one device. A smartphone's features is usually more oriented towards mobile phone options than the PDA-like features. There is no industry standard for what defines a smartphone, so any mobile device that has more than basic cellphone capabilities can actually be filed under the smartphone category of devices."
  http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Hardware_Software/2008/smartphone_cellphone_pda.asp

I don't think these two were the perfect example of what a smartphone is, but it just goes to show how without an industry standard, any company can call any phone with Internet, calendar, and a data plan, a smartphone.  Michael, maybe you can create that standards by which all new smartphones will have to meet. 

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:54

203. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Keep the personal attacks there and also the lie you just told. And if you can point out where I said a USB charger makes a phone a Smartphone, I will buy you the next iPhone 5 on my plan, and pay for all the apps you want.

Your resorting to fiction because you don't have the knowledge nor the vocabulary to counter my opinion. Buy a dictionary or a thesaurus, spend a few weeks studying the history of cellphones, then come back with something a little stronger than childish name calling and "nah, nah, nah-nah, nah, nah"! That doesn't work on me.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 15:27 1

204. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


It's called sarcasm wem.


You're arguments are just as ridiculous as that one though.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 15:28

205. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Sorry I'm not taking time out of my day to make videos for you lol. You're welcome to walk into any Apple store and test it out yourself.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 15:39

206. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Sorry, your claims are usually so far fetched, it's really hard to tell when you're serious or when you're using sarcasm.

Everything else, still valid. And you still havent provided me with any definition of a smartphone. Don't keep taking on the role of antagonist. Try contributing to the conversation sometimes. Be the adult you claim you are.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 15:42

208. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I doubt you'd pay for apps. Pirating is your mo as you're comments often point to.

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