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Mobile Competition Part 1: What OS is best for you

0. phoneArena 23 Sep 2011, 12:31 posted on

Part 1 of 2 covering iOS, Android and the smaller competing platforms, the strengths and weaknesses of each, and why you might choose one over another. Part 2 will focus on the overall competition and its effect on the mobile space...

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posted on 23 Sep 2011, 18:44 1

101. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


make calls

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 18:59

102. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


And word wrap! But I'm sure adults like taco50 doesn't have time for childish things.

Can you guys picture taco looking at the screen right now wondering "what is word wrap"? LOL.
I'll save you the trouble taco. It's when us you zoom in on the screen or double tap on the screen and the words automatically adjust to fit the screen. You know, so you don't have to scroll from left to right. Just ask some one with a real smartphone to show you.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:01

103. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


@ taco50 - Somehow, I knew you would be the one to get their feelings hurt by my comment.  You always cry that "ALL the tech blogs say this" and "ALL the tech news organizations agree that" and that I'm the one with no facts to back it up!  Well, let's see who is the fact finder and who is the fanboy, shall we?  

Here are just a few few articles from tech sites and tech news organizations that share my opinion...

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2007/01/27/apple_iphone_is_not_a_smartphone

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

http://www.bbhub.com/2007/01/26/analysts-think-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

And yes, these articles are old.  But not as old as iOS.  Seeing as though the iPhone still has all of the shortcomings mentioned in these articles, it still doesn't qualify as a smartphone.  No matter what marketing spin VZW, ATT, or Apple puts on it.  It's still just a really, really high end feature phone.  

P.S.  Seeing as though I currently own 4 iPods, 2 iMacs, an iPad, and only 2 Android devices, I'm probably a bigger fan of Apple then you are.  The difference is, I don't see everything tech through Apple-colored glasses.  Again, sorry if I hurt your feelings.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:04 1

104. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


iPhone auto adjusts the text on your screen when you double tap so you're wrong about that one. In fact iPhone did it before android was even a real phone.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:05

105. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


These are articles from 2007. Can you link a review from 2008 or later? No you can't because at that time Apple added exchange support.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:16

106. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Oh, yes exchange! What about the rest of it? Have they added a removable battery, an sd card slot, third party app support??? No? Okay, then it's still a really nice feature phone.

Whateverman, AKA Fact Finder 1,001
Taco50, AKA Fanboy 0

Game, Set, Match!

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:51 1

111. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3113; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


We can make phone calls without having to worry about where our hand is covering the antenna and don't have to worry about dropped calls and horrible static during calls. True multitasking, full adobe flash, I can take out my damn battery and put a new one in. Oh sorry you have to call Apple and wait for them to mail you a NEW phone to do that. I can exchange or add a new micro SD card and I am not stuck with "16GB or 32GB" and that's all. Over the air updates that don't require stupid authorizations to selected computers and don't have to delete all my music and apps just to install more from my computer. I am not stuck with a tiny little screen that looks like it's a toy for kids.

I can go on and on Taco fan boy.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:30

115. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


A removable battery is hardware and so is an sd card. Apple does have 3rd party app support. In fact they have the best app store on the planet.


Again what FUNCTION is missing? Apple has memory and a battery. I'm asking you to name just one function and you can't do it.

Let me clear it up. Can you complete tasks that I can't?

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:33 2

116. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So by not having "true multitasking" what am I missing out on?

I can do flash. I have a battery that lasts way longer than yours and I can walk into an Apple store and come out with a new one if I have any issue. I can update my software, I can store all the music I want.

Yours giving me variations of the same thing. Sure android has a different method but what task can you complete that I can't?

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:45 4

118. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


And things had been going so well...

You guys, this argument is absurd. I can understand the idea that the iPhone wasn't a smartphone at launch, but the second it had the App Store, that changed. There is no denying the iPhone is a smartphone, and a damn good one at that.

A removable battery or SD card expansion are features, they aren't necessities to the definition of a smartphone. That would be like trying to claim the Macbook Air isn't really a computer. It's just absurd.

Sure, Android offers some functionality that iPhone doesn't, but that's the point of competition, isn't it? If someone doesn't offer what you want, you go somewhere else. No need to have a long winded and silly argument about it.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:58

120. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I respect you opinion Michael, but until I can get an app from some place other then iTunes...I'm still not budging. When I got a new phone, it wouldn't update to the new version of the Android market. But I was able to find the APK online, download it, and install it with no problem. Every smartphone I have ever used in the past had the ability to download applications from many sources, but the fact that the iPhone doesn't is inexcusable.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:04

122. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


And PS, the vibe in this comment section was harmonious until taco50 came in. There were iPhone fans here that saw the article for what it was and had nothing negative to say to anyone. But as usual, when taco50 sees other people's opinions or talking civilly amongst themselves, he finds a way to throw off the balance in the room. My comment was my comment was to biophone (who BTW took no offense) not taco.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:05

124. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Sorry you lose whatever man and not because Michael responded. Any reasonable person realizes the iPhone is a smartphone. To deny it is being illogical.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:10

126. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You made an absurd comment I responded to. I haven't attacked anyone personally. Well maybe sniggly lol.


Here's the thing. Fandroids make disparaging and sometimes ridiculous comments about the iPhone.

Some examples :

Not a smartphone
iPhone users are sheep
Apple is evil
Apple users are disgusting or idiots
Darthball refers to it as idiot phone

Then if I rebut your statement I'm viewed as an instigator or a sheep?

I don't comment on every android article trying to prove iPhone is better. It's you androids that follow Apple articles and talk s**t.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:41 1

132. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


I agree with mike. I to understand some people views that the og iphone wasnt a smartphone but i do think there wrong but to say that doesnt make you a fanboy. To say once the iphone got a appstore wasnt a smartphone makes you a instant fanboy. Remixfa is a weird fanboy. When talking about android i enjoy his comments when talking about iphone foot in mouth. To whateverman i have a question for you. What makes something a smartphone. Remixfa says copy and paste. I say all a smartphone is is an advanced feature phone with a more advanced proccesor bigger display/battery has access to email/web and has a keyboard.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:46 3

135. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


But again, that doesn't mean it isn't a smartphone. It just means it is a closed system that you don't like. WP7 is the same way.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:46 1

136. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


If you read my posts, you will notice I never made any disparaging or ridiculous remarks. I'm only reiterating what many in the industry have always felt. I don't think an app store make a phone a smartphone. Nor does email or exchange, because as any VZW customer could tell you, our feature phones have all of those things, even an app store. But what VZW feature phones can not do... Is download apps from third party sites and app stores. Just like the iPhone.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:52 1

138. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


All VZW feature phones were able to go to Get It Now, are those smartphones too? And the Blackberry App World was introduced in 2008, so was it just a feature phone before that?

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:57

139. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


What makes the iPhone a smartphone is that it has all the features that any other smartphone has. Not liking that 3rd party apps are installed through iTunes doesn't change facts. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can twist facts.

I think what we're really getting to here is you dont want to PAY for apps.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:59 1

140. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3113; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


I doubt your feature phone iphone can outlast my Epic 4G Touch. My 1800mAh battery lasts me all day and night with heavy use. I hope people aren't texting you while you try to type out these posts. Must be real annoying to get that pop up of someone saying "SUP?" when you are trying to do something LOL.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:59

141. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


No one in the industry shares your view. Only fanboys.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 22:01

143. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3113; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Any reasonable person also realizes that their iPhone isnt 4G hahaha

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 22:02 2

144. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Good job you still can't respond to my questions. You just resort to fanboy tactics of making fun of the phone. You have nothing intelligent to add.


And yes my iPhone battery lasts way longer than yours because iOS is optimized for battery life.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 22:18

147. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Never said I didn't like the iPhone or iTunes, as I said, I have thousand of dollars worth of iDevices. So if NOT liking iTunes was an issue, I wouldn't own these devices. And I probably have paid for many more apps then you, so that last comment was really weak.

Having used not only iPhones, Blackberries, Palms, Windows, and several other devices give me a different perspective, one you obviously don't like. Again, you have to get over your own insecurities about your iPhone because it's obviously have an inferiority complex. If you think the iPhone is the best smartphone in the world, that's great for you. But I believe a smartphone should be a mini computer that offers at least the same features as any basic feature phone. Expandable memory and removable battery doesn't make a smartphone, but to me, downloading apps from anywhere does.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 22:42 2

150. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


It's not about to you. There's a standard for a smartphone which the iPhone meets. Not liking a feature on it doesn't change what it is.

I have used all of those platforms. iPhone blows blackberry, windows mobile, palm out of the water. That's why 2 of 3 no longer exist.

I understand you work for VZW but you need to get off the fanboy horse. You have the iPhone now. It's ok.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 22:46

151. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


So who wrote those articles then?

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 22:55

152. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Yeah, it's just okay, it's not a smartphone. LOL. How does lacking something make it a feature? If it can't do it, that's not a benefit.

And since when is someone opinion not about them? I gave an opinion and back it up with artcles writen by people in the industry. You not liking what they had to say doesn't mean they're wrong. But your getting this upset about it sounds rather fanboyish.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 23:01

153. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


See taco, that's how you disagree with someone who has an opposing opinion. I'm not mad at Michael or think it makes him a fanboy. I just disagree with him, and I don't think he'll lose any sleep over it.

But thank you Michael, I'll add WP7 to my list of non-smartphone smartphones. LOL.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 23:47

154. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


That's like me using an article from 2008 to say android doesn't have a feature which it now does.

You do understand iOS has progressed since 2007 right? Why would you make these completely unreasonable arguments?

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:02 2

155. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


That makes no sense. By that logic, not all Android phones are smartphones, because AT&T locked down the option to sideload apps.

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