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Mobile Competition Part 1: What OS is best for you

0. phoneArena 23 Sep 2011, 12:31 posted on

Part 1 of 2 covering iOS, Android and the smaller competing platforms, the strengths and weaknesses of each, and why you might choose one over another. Part 2 will focus on the overall competition and its effect on the mobile space...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 18:44 1

101. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


make calls

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 18:59

102. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


And word wrap! But I'm sure adults like taco50 doesn't have time for childish things.

Can you guys picture taco looking at the screen right now wondering "what is word wrap"? LOL.
I'll save you the trouble taco. It's when us you zoom in on the screen or double tap on the screen and the words automatically adjust to fit the screen. You know, so you don't have to scroll from left to right. Just ask some one with a real smartphone to show you.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:04 1

104. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


iPhone auto adjusts the text on your screen when you double tap so you're wrong about that one. In fact iPhone did it before android was even a real phone.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:01

103. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


@ taco50 - Somehow, I knew you would be the one to get their feelings hurt by my comment.  You always cry that "ALL the tech blogs say this" and "ALL the tech news organizations agree that" and that I'm the one with no facts to back it up!  Well, let's see who is the fact finder and who is the fanboy, shall we?  

Here are just a few few articles from tech sites and tech news organizations that share my opinion...

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2007/01/27/apple_iphone_is_not_a_smartphone

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

http://www.bbhub.com/2007/01/26/analysts-think-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

And yes, these articles are old.  But not as old as iOS.  Seeing as though the iPhone still has all of the shortcomings mentioned in these articles, it still doesn't qualify as a smartphone.  No matter what marketing spin VZW, ATT, or Apple puts on it.  It's still just a really, really high end feature phone.  

P.S.  Seeing as though I currently own 4 iPods, 2 iMacs, an iPad, and only 2 Android devices, I'm probably a bigger fan of Apple then you are.  The difference is, I don't see everything tech through Apple-colored glasses.  Again, sorry if I hurt your feelings.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:05

105. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


These are articles from 2007. Can you link a review from 2008 or later? No you can't because at that time Apple added exchange support.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:16

106. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Oh, yes exchange! What about the rest of it? Have they added a removable battery, an sd card slot, third party app support??? No? Okay, then it's still a really nice feature phone.

Whateverman, AKA Fact Finder 1,001
Taco50, AKA Fanboy 0

Game, Set, Match!

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:30

115. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


A removable battery is hardware and so is an sd card. Apple does have 3rd party app support. In fact they have the best app store on the planet.


Again what FUNCTION is missing? Apple has memory and a battery. I'm asking you to name just one function and you can't do it.

Let me clear it up. Can you complete tasks that I can't?

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:19

160. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


taco,
apples exchange support was an industry joke. I remember so many businesses dropping VZW and going to ATT to get the iphone because it finally added exchange support...

only to cancel those contracts and beg to come back, because the iphones exchange "support" was a joke. The Voyager had better email syncing and it didnt even do exchange.


the iphone was NOT a smartphone up until it got REAL exchange, cut n paste, fake multitasking, and some minor corperate security. It is a smartphone in the lightest sence of the word. Go to a real business that uses corperate email with security needs.. tell me how many iphones there are.... zero. but u will find plenty of blackberrys, androids, and windows phones.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:30

193. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


This is why you're a fanboy. Business people are switching from blackberry to iPhone in droves. I use an iPhone for exchange email and it works much better than a blackberry.

Comments like "fake multitasking" and "smartphone in the lightest since of the word" make you a fanboy. You can barely hold back your contempt for the iPhone.

I can google in two seconds the fact that businesses are switching to iPhones. The voyager was a joke by the way. I can't believe you'd even compare it to an iPhone.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:00

198. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, your inability to think of anything negative about a platform makes you a fanboy.

i realize you have all this "inside information".. oh wait.. you dont. Blackberry has a lock on business class corperate email, even today. Where do u think the bulk of their sales are? Noone is dropping blackberries and picking up iphones in droves that needs secure email. I've watched companies do that, and they have a 100% return rate back to blackberries. If they want a touch screen with security they get android more times than not.. specifically moto blur androids if they do any research because they have extra security on top of android's already good exchange security.
Do some business people get iphones? of course. noone is saying they dont. not all businesses need advanced security email... but if you need advanced security, iphone isnt even on the plate.

it is fake multitasking. just get past it.

i dont have contempt for a phone. its a piece of electronics. im sorry if you have emotions twards a piece of glass and metal. it doesnt love you back no matter how much you try.

when the voyager launched it had more OS features than the iphone. simple fact. go do a point to point with an iphone 2g on iOS1 vs a voyager. you will be sad. neither were smartphones back then. The iphone of course gained more features in the end, but that has nothing to do with that particular point in time.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 19:51 1

111. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


We can make phone calls without having to worry about where our hand is covering the antenna and don't have to worry about dropped calls and horrible static during calls. True multitasking, full adobe flash, I can take out my damn battery and put a new one in. Oh sorry you have to call Apple and wait for them to mail you a NEW phone to do that. I can exchange or add a new micro SD card and I am not stuck with "16GB or 32GB" and that's all. Over the air updates that don't require stupid authorizations to selected computers and don't have to delete all my music and apps just to install more from my computer. I am not stuck with a tiny little screen that looks like it's a toy for kids.

I can go on and on Taco fan boy.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:33 2

116. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So by not having "true multitasking" what am I missing out on?

I can do flash. I have a battery that lasts way longer than yours and I can walk into an Apple store and come out with a new one if I have any issue. I can update my software, I can store all the music I want.

Yours giving me variations of the same thing. Sure android has a different method but what task can you complete that I can't?

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:45 4

118. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


And things had been going so well...

You guys, this argument is absurd. I can understand the idea that the iPhone wasn't a smartphone at launch, but the second it had the App Store, that changed. There is no denying the iPhone is a smartphone, and a damn good one at that.

A removable battery or SD card expansion are features, they aren't necessities to the definition of a smartphone. That would be like trying to claim the Macbook Air isn't really a computer. It's just absurd.

Sure, Android offers some functionality that iPhone doesn't, but that's the point of competition, isn't it? If someone doesn't offer what you want, you go somewhere else. No need to have a long winded and silly argument about it.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 20:58

120. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I respect you opinion Michael, but until I can get an app from some place other then iTunes...I'm still not budging. When I got a new phone, it wouldn't update to the new version of the Android market. But I was able to find the APK online, download it, and install it with no problem. Every smartphone I have ever used in the past had the ability to download applications from many sources, but the fact that the iPhone doesn't is inexcusable.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:05

124. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Sorry you lose whatever man and not because Michael responded. Any reasonable person realizes the iPhone is a smartphone. To deny it is being illogical.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 22:01

143. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Any reasonable person also realizes that their iPhone isnt 4G hahaha

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 21:46 3

135. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


But again, that doesn't mean it isn't a smartphone. It just means it is a closed system that you don't like. WP7 is the same way.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 23:01

153. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


See taco, that's how you disagree with someone who has an opposing opinion. I'm not mad at Michael or think it makes him a fanboy. I just disagree with him, and I don't think he'll lose any sleep over it.

But thank you Michael, I'll add WP7 to my list of non-smartphone smartphones. LOL.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:02 2

155. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


That makes no sense. By that logic, not all Android phones are smartphones, because AT&T locked down the option to sideload apps.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 00:38

164. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I have stated that opinion before as well about ATT locking their devices down, that it technically makes it a feature phone. I'm consistent with my belief weather it's Apple or Android. And so far, no one has presented me with anything to convience me of anything different. I'm not having this debate just to be difficult, this is one of the things I was taught during training. Now if that has changed then fine, I would adjust my definition. But there still is no across-the-board definition of what a smartphone is.

So instead of trying to make sense of what I feel, educate me. I'm not buying the app store, exchange email, or internet browsers because most feature phones had those same capabilities when the iPhone was introduced. It can't be OS, because BREW is still somewhat of an OS. So please, educate me. What makes a smartphone a smartphone?

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 01:10 1

166. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'll have to take time to consider a full definition of a smartphone, but I do know that the ability to sideload apps is not a breaking line of that definition, because in my definition the iPhone, WP7 and Motorola Atrix are all smartphones. I'll either get back to you or write up an article. Maybe next week, because I've still got part 2 of this piece to finish.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 01:28

167. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


That's a deal my friend. If you can convince me, I will stop saying it for ever! And for the record, it's not that I don't like the iPhone. I mean who wouldn't like it? It's a great phone, I just I like Android better, at least as far as phones go.

Even though we may disagree, but I still think you're writing like Snoop in 92', so I'm really looking forward to part two of this article!

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 10:55

187. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I think remixfa has a good start with:
-copy/paste
-multitasking
-real exchange support
-exchange security.
-real apps, not brew apps.

But, I would also add:
-a full featured web browser
-advanced text input features (not just T9)
-minimum 3G support + WiFi
-make and receive calls (it must be a phone after all)
-advanced video playback (not just 3GP)

I'm having trouble coming up with more, but the basic idea is this: most BlackBerries are smartphones and they make up what I consider the bottom rung of smartphones. But, fringe phones like the OG T-Mo Sidekick are under that rung and are not smartphones.

It feels like there is another requirement based on the ability to add extensive features with software updates, but I'm not sure how to express that.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 12:58

190. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


we should probably throw in GPS too. even though thats pretty much standard on all phones now.. it didnt used to be.

I wouldnt throw in the 3g part myself, as if your trying to make a blanket statement about smartphone features, you will be excluding a lot of the OG's of the smartphone world that were edge and/or wifi only.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 13:19

192. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'll agree on GPS, but I think 3G sticks, because most of those 1st gen "smartphones" would be disqualified by other metrics we've set out as well. OG iPhone didn't have 3rd party apps or GPS. G1 didn't have exchange (although it did have 3G).

I don't know, the more I think about it, maybe 3G isn't a necessary feature, WiFi certainly is tho.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:05

199. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


smartphones go back farther than android and iOS. Palm didnt have 3g until the bitter end.. many many windows phones did not have 3g.. heck most blackberries didnt even get 3g till a little while ago. Tmobile didnt get its first "3g" blackberry till this past year.. lol. You would be negating 70% of smartphones before 2008.

I dont concider Android when it first came out a smartphone because of the lack of exchange and exchange security. That got fixed quickly though comparitively. Android 2.0 I believe is when exchange dropped on the scene for everyone, though moto blur had exchange built into it, even on android 1.5 with the Cliq, so though it was mid/bottom tier, it was among the first android true smartphones.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 14:35

202. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


The problem is the restrictions and controls that manufactures and carriers place on individual devices.  They somewhat blur the lines between feature/smartphone past and present.  For example: every smartphone nowadays has 3G and WiFi.  ATT offered WiFi with their Blackberries yet VZW left it off until the Storm 2.  Yet they were still smartphones.  But one thing all the old smartphones were able to do in the past was downloading apps from multiple sources.  Not to be a dead horse here but here is something I pulled of of Wikipedia about the iPhone: "As a result of the iPhone's initial inability to install third-party native applications, some reviewers considered the originally-released device to be more akin to a featurephone than a smartphone.  A process called jailbreaking emerged quickly to provide unofficial third-party native applications."

Now from that I hear that an iPhone isn't a smartphone until the user jailbreaks it.  And the purpose of jailbreaking is to give users the ability to download apps from Cydia, correct?  

But I also found things that countered my point.  This one is from webopedia, and it states "A smartphone is considered to be the combination of the traditional PDA and cellular phone, with a bigger focus on the cellular phone part. These handheld devices integrates mobile phone capabilities with the more common features of a handheld computer or PDA. Smartphones allow users to store information, e-mail, install programs, along with using a mobile phone in one device. A smartphone's features is usually more oriented towards mobile phone options than the PDA-like features. There is no industry standard for what defines a smartphone, so any mobile device that has more than basic cellphone capabilities can actually be filed under the smartphone category of devices."
  http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Hardware_Software/2008/smartphone_cellphone_pda.asp

I don't think these two were the perfect example of what a smartphone is, but it just goes to show how without an industry standard, any company can call any phone with Internet, calendar, and a data plan, a smartphone.  Michael, maybe you can create that standards by which all new smartphones will have to meet. 

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 18:41

215. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


which highlights a great point

wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.

posted on 24 Sep 2011, 19:10

216. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


True, it isn't. It's just parroting what they have also read as far as what those who reviewed the iPhone have said. But think about it, it you look at what the current iPhone has in common with old smartphones that established that market. What you're saying is an app store makes a phone a smartphone. So what would you call Blackberries, and Palms before they had their app stores? They didn't have apps stores when they were introduced, but they did have the ability to download programs from other sources. You weren't locked into whatever came with your device. Why wouldn't this be a requirement for all smartphones now, because Apple says so? You can believe that if you wish, there's nothing wrong with that, but that's not enough for me.

posted on 25 Sep 2011, 08:01

238. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, the point i was making was... app store or no app store doesnt make a difference. as long as it has the ability to run real apps and not just BREW apps, then its a smartphone feature. That doesnt automaitcally mean its a smartphone either.. its just part of what a smartphone should be able to do. Thats why I keep a checklist of smartphone features that have been on anything ive ever felt was a smartphone. if it doesnt meet the list, its not a smartphone.

no phone up until the iphone had a central app listing, and their were hundreds of smartphones before the iphone.

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