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Microsoft worked fast to purchase Nokia, and may still be looking at BlackBerry

0. phoneArena 03 Sep 2013, 22:16 posted on

Microsoft just agreed to spend over $7 billion to purchase the mobile unit from Nokia, and license a number of patents. The purchase news caused the Nokia stock to take a big jump, and caused Microsoft's stock to dip a bit. But, Microsoft may not be done with major purchases just yet. A new report is saying that the company may still be looking into BlackBerry...

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posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:21 11

1. harigrg33 (Posts: 155; Member since: 20 May 2013)


Nokia put themself into a coffin and blackberry will definitely go under six feet ground.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:46 11

27. raunak (Posts: 504; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


only the name has changed, even employees are same, which means all the things nokia was known for will still be there.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 00:17 4

30. ItsMyChoice (Posts: 37; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)


we hope so.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 01:15 3

35. JGuinan007 (Posts: 633; Member since: 19 May 2011)


til the mass firings and lay offs

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 08:04 2

60. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 849; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)


Nokia has done too much for MSFT to make WP what it has become. There's too much talent there to just start laying people off. There will be cutbacks I'm sure, but the most valuable assets will be kept, and that's a lot of what they got with the deal.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:16 3

44. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 962; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


please help me also keep the brand alive !

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/microsoft-nokia-keep-the-nokia-branding

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:33 1

48. boosook (Posts: 979; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


Nokia will survive and probably prosperate, they just won't make phones anymore. There will not be another Nokia branded phone. No more. This is what happened with Ericsson when they sold their patents and their stake in the SonyEricsson joint-venture to Sony. Ericsson lives on, they still make network appliances, and they're good at it.
The same will happen with Nokia: that's why the stocks went up. They'll be free from a business that (thanks to Elop) they have not been able to turn into a profitable business. The company will be profitable again, just it won't be of any interest to consumers anymore, as they won't make consumer products.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:23 6

2. tiara6918 (Posts: 1391; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


What exactly is ms doing? They already have nokia and now they want blackberry? I can tell something big is about to happen

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:39 7

9. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 762; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)


I hope someone would buy Microsoft. But none got that much money i think.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:42 4

13. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


Apple can buy MS!!

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:45 17

17. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5399; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Don't even think about it. That's putting Microsoft into a coffin.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 00:18 2

31. TechBizJP08 (Posts: 495; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)


no, if apple buy MS. we'll be in big trouble. PC sales will go up the charts..

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 01:19

36. JGuinan007 (Posts: 633; Member since: 19 May 2011)


PCs sales have steadily been declining and smart phone and tablet sales increasing pcs arent even thought of still being in the consumer market by 2020 only in business everyone will have tablets

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 13:41

66. downphoenix (Posts: 2301; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


and why would that be a bad thing? PCs are superior to phones. I would give up my phone before my PC, because my PC is more useful.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:41

11. -box- (Posts: 3778; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Patents. If PA let me attach photos I'd make one with the "_ ALL THE THINGS!" meme.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 01:12

33. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Patents? Exactly.... MicroSoft makes a boatload of money from licensing their patents to android OEMs.

With android hitting 1 billion activations, that is A LOT of money for MicroSoft. You throw in Nokia and Blackberry patents and MicroSoft will dominate the smartphone patent business.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 09:38

63. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Actually Nokia only included a non-exclusive license for the phone related patents to MSFT/D&S. The patent portfolio remains with Nokia. Nokia is free to pursue smartphones after 2015.

Nokia has been doing about $800 mio per year in patent licensing. Under the MSFT deal, about $200 per year for 10 years will be paid up front to Nokia. That leaves about $600 mio per annum in additional licensing business for the CTO division that remains within Nokia. (These are only estimates.)

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:49 4

19. volcano (Posts: 252; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


enterprise customers. patents and BBM

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:11

41. Trex95 (Posts: 543; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


Perhaps Lumia flagship comes with BBM services or BBM WP?!

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:36

49. boosook (Posts: 979; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


They're simply desperate and trying to buy what they have not been able to build internally. They have not been able to attract new users, so they're trying to buy as much users as they can before it's too late. They're interested in Nokia and BB users, patents, services and application. This is their last and desperate attempt in surviving the smartphone and tablet revolution.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:25 2

3. amansingal14 (Posts: 286; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)


Microsoft shouldn't buy BlackBerry for BlackBerry is already lying in the coffin and the ground is being dug for it. How can one revive a DEAD MAN?

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:45 7

16. Jack58221 (Posts: 122; Member since: 23 Feb 2013)


Don't need to revive a dead man if you can just go in and pick his pockets, sell the wood and cloth from the coffin, and lease the fresh dug whole out to someone else.

MS can buy BB, get the patents they want and sell off what they don't need.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 02:16 1

40. Cod3rror (Posts: 60; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)


Brilliant!

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 09:42

64. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Actually, I doubt they would buy everything. Just a portion of the BBRY patent portfolio (they already have tons of owned patents or Nokia licenses to cover them) and possibly all or part of BES, NOC. etc.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:41 5

26. joey_sfb (Posts: 2877; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Samsung can save blackberry and make it thrive. They could bring a whole series of BlackBerry phones to the market in the shortest amount of time.

BlackBerry fans will buy the phone again because of Samsung backing. In fact Samsung must buy BlackBerry now that Microsoft has Nokia and they will use Nokia to attack Samsung corporate strategy.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 01:12

34. Topcat488 (Posts: 1138; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)


Haven't you heard the Good News, that Death has been conquered. No? Google it. With Samsungs' Knox Security System, a BlackBerry acquisition would corner the market...

@ Post #3

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 01:47 7

38. raphz (Posts: 35; Member since: 22 Oct 2012)


Microsoft resurect apple from dead once.... do you still remember that?

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:27 2

4. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5399; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


They already bought Nokia and now they're turning BlackBerry into MicroBerries? Is Microsoft celebrating something? Celebrating the retirement of Steve Ballmer?

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:04 3

21. volcano (Posts: 252; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


no they want to break apple and google domination and secure third position in smartphone market it doesnt have to be either android or ios smartphone

i guess redmond giant want more than nokia and microsoft together

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:29 2

5. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3007; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Whatever it is...i read a portion in today's morning local daily that Nokia will still own the 'Nokia' brand...and i am relived.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:38 5

8. Antonyjoseph (Posts: 213; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)


yes if Nokia wants they can start making phones under the Nokia brand from 2016. But I don't think that's going to happen' because all their mobile phone patents are gone and apparently as per the agreement they can't make smart phones. So Nokia as a phone manufacturer is dead acquired by MS at a 7.17 b compared to the 8.5 b paid for Skype & the 12.5 b paid by Google for Motorola.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:41 4

12. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 762; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)


Is Nokia only worth just 7.17 billion?? It may be a portion right?? I personally thought nokia would worth at least 20 billion or something near.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 01:08 2

32. mobilefuture (Posts: 206; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


I believe Nokia is worth an estimated $40billion. This $7.2billion is for the Lumia and Asha departments only

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 06:12

54. lyndon420 (Posts: 1730; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Ms knew what they were doing. Get a company to adopt their crappy new OS, bring the value of said company down in value, and presto...a struggling company is ready to sell for pennies on the dollar.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:43 2

14. -box- (Posts: 3778; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Actually they still own the patents, Microsoft is licensing them for $2.2 Billion, the $5 Billion is for the device and services departments (from my understanding)

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:43 3

15. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Patents aren't gone. They are licensed.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:36

6. Kishin (Posts: 598; Member since: 30 May 2013)


Yes I think they should get blackberry 2, to save it from dying cause right now blackberry is so forgotten

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:36 1

7. Bozzor (Posts: 111; Member since: 02 May 2012)


One thing you learn fast in business is that when the Board of a multinational gets 'emotional', they are screwing up.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:41

10. NikhilatMobileJury.com (Posts: 5; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


Microsoft seems to be on a roll to enter the mobile device market with a bang. If they conquer blackberry then it will be for sure that Microsoft knows that PC business will not sustain than the mobile market.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:48 2

18. Kishin (Posts: 598; Member since: 30 May 2013)


This might come to life

http://pocketnow.com/2013/03/26/microsoft-tactile-wp-concept

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:24

23. volcano (Posts: 252; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


this concept looks really great except for using different colors on logo, search button and arrow

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:13

43. Trex95 (Posts: 543; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


Looks good but still kinda off IPhone 5 looks.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 22:50

20. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Investors few years down the line will call this as "Ballmer's Revenge" (of being booted out)

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:06

22. rdemon (Posts: 45; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)


Cmon Sammy make that move and purchase BlackBerry. Its yours for the taking.

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:25

24. wandiw (Posts: 1; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


Maybe they need BlackBerry experience to cover all Windows OS security flaws

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:40

50. gazmatic (Posts: 600; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


like?

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:38

25. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 1810; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


Whoaaa.... thats why he has "baller" in hes name..haha

posted on 03 Sep 2013, 23:47 1

28. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


black berry need a hungry design team they need to push more performance for those devices to even compete you never know til their next device is a total flop. blackberry apple android are all cousins from the same kernel.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 00:00

29. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


they should be jumping on intel for that needed boost

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 01:31

37. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2586; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Yes MS, now you have Nokia, buy BB then HTC then others... and set a company with all OSs running phones.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 02:09

39. NokiaFTW (Posts: 1978; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


If Microsoft acquire BlackBerry, we may see the beginning of Apple's demise. Not only would Microsoft be able to integrate Blackberry's business and enterprise service & BBM into their phones, they can integrate that into their tablets and PC'S which would probably kill Apple

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:12

42. weedl (Posts: 50; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


no i hope not ,if that's happen then bb won't be secure anymore because it belong to ms and ms with nsa are shaking hands

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:40

51. gazmatic (Posts: 600; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


and google and apple too

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 07:00

56. papss (unregistered)


Really? Only a blind fandroids would leave out other part of that equation which is google too. Take your blinders off for a second

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 08:03

59. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)


Unfortunately, MS has a history of totally 5ucking up anything to do with mobile. Kin anyone?

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:25 1

45. wky1998 (Posts: 13; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)


Microsoft, please buy Blackberry, cause Blackberry so sucks when using Blackberry OS, it could be famous when he use Windows Phone or Android

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:26

46. Edmund (Posts: 654; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


Blackberry has no real value for Microsoft.
Sadly, this type of speculation is designed to do one thing - lift the BBRY share price temporarily while institutional investors dump their holdings. Personally I think the stock value will be around $2 by the end of the year, at which time you may see a takeover offer being made.

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:33

47. Edmund (Posts: 654; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


Just to reiterate, I don't think MS are dumb enough to pay $5 - $6 billion dollars now, when they can wait until the quarterly results are announced and pay a fraction of that

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:45

52. Akfred (Posts: 72; Member since: 08 Nov 2012)


Good move Microsoft. Pls buy blackberry so that u can
Integrate BBM with windows

posted on 04 Sep 2013, 03:55

53. sam.7 (Posts: 68; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


great.. a big and major thing we can see in the future :)
just don't change the brand name!
ALL THE BEST TO NOKIA's THREE BEST SERVICES. And ALL THE BEST TOO TO MICROSOFT. SOME COOL INNOVATION COMING SOON.

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