Microsoft thinking "very hard" on creating a Windows Phone 8 notification center
0. phoneArena 02 Nov 2012, 05:30 posted on
Asked about the lack of a notification center in Windows Phone at the BUILD developers conference, Microsoft's program manager Thomas Fennel, directly said that they didn't have enough time to implement the rumored Notification Center in the WP8 RTM release...
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1. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
swipe left to notification center. and put a live tile for quick settings
2. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
also, they should fix the wifi issue when you put the display off. How would you receive notifications on the internet if you're connected to wifi only, and it's turned off every time you put the phone to sleep. They should leave it on given that it's not that power hungry.
8. haseebzahid (Posts: 1812; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
back in wp7.5 we all had one issue unable to modify wifi IP settings total DHCP is it still in wp8 or they at-lest added both options ?
28. sarahenry (Posts: 2; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)
Fully agree. This display off and wifi off is the only feature which is stopping me from getting a window phone. So happy with Android till then
4. kirholstov (Posts: 135; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Good idea, but I think they can do it in windows 8 style, for example, swipe from below,...
12. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
i think, it would be a problem because there's no bar below the screen unlike on top(status bar). It would just make the home screen scroll downward i guess? They should use the left side, but the problem in that is, it would be quickly accessible when you're on the application lists on the right most side of WP8.
how about pinch-to-zoom on the homescreen/applists to view notification center or even hold search button, there's so many ways to create it really. :D
13. MeoCao (unregistered)
I told you so, live tiles are no match against notification center, and WP fanboys call me hater.
It's good that MS realise their weakness, but I still think MS is very ineffective company and people will have to wait very long until MS can come up with an upgrade.
And competitors do not stand still.
26. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
you're a hater, saying MS as ineffective company. How could be ineffective? If it's one of the biggest company in the world, serving 90% of the computing world with OS?
You could just simply say that MS could improve the OS, but saying it's an ineffective company makes you a heyter~ :))
Besides, the newest WP os is still young. More room for improvements dude. :)
29. MeoCao (unregistered)
An effective company will not take so long to introduce an incomplete product as WP8. An effective company will not get it wrong every time with its mobile strategy.
MS used to be a great company but years of monopoly have corrupted it.
call me whatever you like but it does not change the fact that Live tiles concept is a gimmick and WP8 will fail just like Windows mobile and WP7 before it.
32. ahhxd717 (Posts: 317; Member since: 08 Dec 2011)
Live Tiles are as much as gimmick as widgets on Android. Well, I don't think either of them are. I've used both OSes pretty extensively and found that Live Tiles can actually be helpful, maybe not AS much as certain widgets, but they're definitely not a gimmick. I hate how everyone tries to bash MS for trying a new thing. It's really pathetic.
37. MeoCao (unregistered)
Widgets and live tiles can be useful when applied to limited number of apps and customizability is good, that's Android approach, and in Android there is the notification center that complements the deficiency of widgets.
There's no notification center in WP8 and too many live tiles with very limited customizability.
I agree that risk should be encouraged, but for a big company like MS this is very bad job and this is not the 1st time they fail to deliver. MS does not deserve our support.
36. ghost7787 (Posts: 9; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
your assumption that it will fail definitely makes you a hater.
39. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
MeoCao- surely you are not comparing the Android of Jelly Bean to the Eclair of old? Or iOS 1st gen to iOS of the iPhone 5?
WP now two years old (November 2010). How is it sitting still? The kicked Windows Mobile to the curb and started over fresh just to compete. Your argument is weak. 2 Years from now, it might hold merit if WP still is behind. But they are playing catch up on the run. It is tougher then doing it as the smartphone market exploded like Android and iOS did. MS knows it's position. They are improving- this article shows that they realize they have a ways to go.
40. MeoCao (unregistered)
You are playing word game mate, if you call WP8 say Microsoft Phone 1 will it have different age than 2 years?
MS is not newcomer in mobile and they have much more experience than both Google and Apple but they fail time after time and bring nothing new to the industry.
Can we ask why? The answer is very simple: MS has become a follower not a leader and they are a poor follower in fact.
44. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Hey, you're obviously are a hater.
Why do you need a "perfect OS" right away? When both, Apple and Google always know that there's too many things needed to be improved on their OSes?
Nothing is perfect. Even if we chase for it.
What's the use of updates? New iterations? If they gave it all away.
Also, I don't see why MS made it wrong this time. There's a lot of changes from WP7.5 to WP8 than gingerbread to honeycomb/ics, than iOS 3 to iOS 4. It shows how much they love to catch up, yes they're experienced but this industry is a whole lot different that even nokia is playing catch up.
MS as a follower, yes. Because, you can't be a leader overnight just by bringing a new OS. You can't get 50% of the market right away, and everyone knows that. Did you think android did it overnight? NO!
15. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Sounds good. Couldnt they just have a big Live Tile, like that clock one I see in the article with notifications? Click on it and go to notifications?
I never used a WP for an extended period of time, just some hands on for how it feels and whatnot. When you swipe now, what does it go to?
25. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5591; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
There may be a patent issue (as in Google may have been issued a patent on their application that was published last year). MS wouldn't want Google to get leverage over it in the negotiations over Moto infringing on MS patents....
34. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
they need a notification where it can be accesed from anywhere and not only from the homescreen..
3. Aeires (unregistered)
Isn't a live tile a notification?
5. kirholstov (Posts: 135; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
If app doesn't support live t. - you don't have notification
9. Aeires (unregistered)
Sounds like a developer problem, not MS'.
7. wendygarett (unregistered)
true but what he meant is 'notification center', which is all information is gathered into one place like android "notification bar"...
I'm truly appreciate the windows' homework, but i personally think, a phone without a notification center is not a deal breaker actually :)
10. Aeires (unregistered)
Aren't live tiles centrally located, like on your home screen? How is it any different than having a pull down area that you scroll through compared to having them all on your home screen
The only thing I can see that's a benefit is you wouldn't need a tile for certain apps, but if you get a lot of notification from that app, why wouldn't you make it a tile?
14. wendygarett (unregistered)
That notification is according to ios lol...
The only gathered notification that Windows have is on the lock screen lol
11. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
please read the article. :) It says that
"Granted, the Live Tiles now show notifications for missed calls, messages and so on, but there is no unified central place approach for those apps who don't have a tile out, for instance, so we are pretty curious what Microsoft is cooking, and whether the graphics solution will be more unorthodox."
17. Aeires (unregistered)
I did read the article, the whole things sounds redundant. For over a year people have been saying tiles rock because the notifications are instant. Now they want a notifications area. SMH
If an app doesn't support a tile, the developer should adjust for that, not the OS.
21. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
android have widgets that could show notifications too, isn't it redundant having a notification tray? No.
Live tiles are cool for there's an instant look for what are new on those apps, but see, people want more. I too, love live tiles but somehow, isn't it exhausting looking for every tile just for notifications? If there's only a way to gather all those notifications in one place, wait, there is, notification center!
there are ways to implement a notification center, either another extra large, interactive live tile where you could scroll the live tile for notifications.
Android had widgets which acts like live tile, don't they? :)
23. Aeires (unregistered)
MS chose to go with tiles instead of widgets because they felt live tiles, or notifications, was easy and quick to receive information. WPhans have confirmed that countless times, tiles are quick and easy. If they start adding additional notifications, it starts to get complicated which defeats the purpose of having tiles be easy.
Android is not WP. Not everyone uses widgets, and Android widgets perform duties slightly different. Just because things work a certain way in one OS doesn't mean they are needed in a different OS.
43. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
ahm, again, i said that at least there's a quick access to all of the notifications. I don't get why we argue about this.
True, live tiles do have quick access to notifications for each application, but also, again, isn't it exhausting when every live tile shows notification and you have to browse like 20 live tiles for each app to look for notifications?
Sometimes, people just want to go on a single page to browse for collected notifications. And yes, live tile would still have its purpose if you just want to view certain notifications on a certain app.
6. valapsp (Posts: 472; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
it'll sure come as an OTA update or (Oh no) with WP 8.5.
16. mydi.maus (unregistered)
live tiles are visualitation ok, tap twice and notification yay!
18. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Thinking very hard?!?
Gosh that is some mind blowing irony right there.
ALL THAT HARD THINKING FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND THERE'S STILL NO SIMPLE SWIPE TO THE LEFT FROM THE TILE SCREEN
There is just so much room for basic improvement in WP interface that it really is unfathomable how they aren't implemented.
22. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
I think there is a reason for that, SIMPLICITY. That's how/why you get the buttery smoothness and fast on WP despite single core. As more features are added, more cores are needed. With wp8 supporting up to 64cores, MS and owns shouldn't have problems adding any features needed.
24. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
In tile videos, music, and animation would be awesome. Be great for YouTube and Xbox music.
35. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
You gotta be kidding me..there is a world of difference between simplicity and unprecedented level of forced limitation..
There is no excuse for deliberately leaving out one most basic gesture..just imagine as elementary basic, logical and simple concept as free dashboard surface on the left, which could be given to user - leaving the usability And customization options up to you.
Doesn't consumer deserve that much?
Doesn't it hold the right to it?
Similarly, not giving the wallpaper background option is a complete insult to the user if you ask me.
41. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Oh the surprise, thumbing me down without any sort of counter argument to my factual observations.
What to say, it all makes sense actually - OS that is treating you like an idiot is met by the right people obviously.
42. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
I didn't thumb u down unless u want me too. Pay attention. WP is in its infancy. You wait until 2nd, 3 rd, 4th, major updates. We'll see for sure what's missing and what's not.
20. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Notification tile or on lock screen, scroll left for kids corner and right for notifications. All in all still alot of stuff missing from wp8 but wp8 is only the first major update while others are in their 6th or more. So I'll give MS some slack.
30. cdgoin (Posts: 367; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
OK You need notification of these things..
PHONE CALLS - TEXT MESSAGES - EMAIL
Since you can now use smaller tiles.. just use three smaller tiles under your date/time tile.. and use the 4th for the twitter / facebook / address book..
Whats so hard about that..? Why the need for a "Notification center" with live tiles the whole phone is a notification center.
31. PM8888 (Posts: 10; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
And yet Belfiore thinks WP8 is the best mobile OS. What a joke. Enjoy your less than 10% market share, despite having spent Billions over the last couple of years on WP.
33. ahhxd717 (Posts: 317; Member since: 08 Dec 2011)
A notification center in WP is the main thing i find lacking, so if they include one in a future update that would be awesome. Maybe swipe right or something for a notification pane.
38. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
The three largest complaints of WP:
1) Not enough apps- by the middle or end of 2013, hopefully that is a dead issue. 1800,000 -200,000 apps should be available.
2) Not enough customization- Once people see Windows 8 in action, this will go away I hope as well. It is different and not as open as Android- but understanding that tiles are yours to adjust and will show your pictures, your posts, and your order of importance will open up the potential of WP.
3) Notifications. It is still not addressed. You see how many of something you missed, but most users want more information. The live lock screen is a nice step, but it will not solve the issue. This is a good sign- next phase of upgrades are already being planned on. Better be, because Android isn't resting on Jelly Bean, that is for sure.
45. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)
I personally think that MS should stay away from a notification center. Why do what android has already done? I think the live tiles do a good enough job of staying up to date.