Microsoft "surprised" by Google ditching Exchange, suggests Outlook.com
0. phoneArena 17 Dec 2012, 19:38 posted on
Last week, Google announced that it was going to drop support of Microsoft's Exchange ActiveSync through Google Sync for new free users. The option will continue for those who already have Google Sync set up, and it will continue as an option for paid Google Apps users, who are more likely enterprise users, and more likely to need Exchange support. Google is moving away from Microsoft's proprietary system in favor of open standards like IMAP, CalDAV, and CardDAV. All of that sounds like a very Googley way to do things, but somehow Microsoft was still "surprised" by the move, and has no suggestions for users other than to switch to Outlook.com for their e-mail...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. zackh121556 (Posts: 100; Member since: 01 Feb 2012)
Yayyyyy go Android......... Idk just felt like saying something random lol
17. MeoCao (unregistered)
Every Android phone now has to pay MS for the ActiveSync patents, MS even had Motorola banned in Germany over the patents.
And MS mails are not the dominant force anymore and WP needs Google services and not Android needs MS services.
Well done Google.
20. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
Wait, this isn't the article was looking 4!!!!!!
42. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
Correction: WP does not need Google, Microsoft has everything that google has to offer, not like iOS; that is why they can pull YouTube from iOS and users would cry for google but NO not WP we have Metrotube which as good as any YouTube app out there. Maps? Please, we have NaviTech from Nokia. Search? of course BING. Office? We have the Best no google Docs crap here...No need to go on, you get my point.
45. MeoCao (unregistered)
Oh I see your point, the grape is sour!
But another point here is the fox is "surprised" that the grape is too high. LOL
68. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
MS Exchange is still the dominant force in corporate use. Not everyone uses GMAIL (gmail or the free Goog Appliance) for official purpose.
2. shahulvm (Posts: 121; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)
Switched my contacts from Google to Outlook...
I see google to be turning to evil nowdays which effects the consumers. Why cant they just continue as it was and let the consumers use the way they need...
Had been a iphone user, then a hardcore android user (changing roms) every now and then, got tired of it. Finally ending up with Lumia 920 now for its live tile and photography...
Still have the mac for computing, nexus 7 for reading and the lumia 920 as a phone...
4. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Google is trying to break the cycle of closed systems, which is why it supports open standards. Google is trying to move away from any product being dependent on proprietary technology. What happens when Microsoft eventually dies out (as all companies do on a long enough timeline)? What happens to Exchange then?
What happens when Google eventually dies? Someone else takes the CalDAV code and keeps it going. Google has a long way to go, but I certainly prefer easily shared data and open platforms than a closed system that's beholden to the whims of one company.
5. shahulvm (Posts: 121; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)
I agree and support the push for open systems, but not at the cost of disrupting something which has been going fine till now. Google, should have told microsoft to support open systems than to stop something which they have offered for sometime. Even if Google wanted to stop, then they should give sufficient time and not just 2 months....
All in all, I see the 3 giants (Apple, MS & Google) endlessly trying to tie the users into their own eco-systems. The fact is, I want interoperability, the freedom to choose and switch as I like than to be tied like a slave onto one eco system irrespective of how good the offering is. As I believe something better will always keep coming and should be prepared for the move...
7. crankyd00d (Posts: 191; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
"The fact is, I want interoperability, the freedom to choose and switch as I like than to be tied like a slave onto one eco system irrespective of how good the offering is"
Which is WHY they are doing this, you say you want that but then you whine about it because it's not convenient for you right now, the will have to do it eventually so they may as well do it now
8. shahulvm (Posts: 121; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)
Then you agree that 2 months time is the right amount of time to give?
Why to pull a plug in this manner?
10. crankyd00d (Posts: 191; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Even if you give people time if they really want to stay they will stay, if they want to switch they will switch, the truth is Microsoft has a monopoly with Exchange so if they want to break it they have to do it now before Windows Phone 8 gets a good foothold, if it does at all. At least that's how I see it, I could be wrong of course but it's obvious they are rushing this, of course Microsoft wants people to keep depending on Exchange
12. krulll (Posts: 13; Member since: 21 Nov 2012)
and now who will break the monopoly of google?
19. MeoCao (unregistered)
What Google's monopoly you are atlking about, and how that monopoly affects users or innovation of the industry?
50. Aeires (unregistered)
Because he's cranky!
18. MeoCao (unregistered)
You are blaming the wrong guy. It's MS who demand fees from Android OEM for ActiveSync and even had Motorola banned in Germany.
31. joey_sfb (Posts: 4354; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
I don't understand your fuss. Since you like M$ just continue to use their services. Google is being cheap because its no longer in their interest to pay active sync license for free account. If microsoft think they need google to support them, they can waive the active sync licensing fee. So come up with their own plug in.
No sympathy from me as M$ always charge me a premium while google give me what i want for free. I don't really care who is interested when i wipe my ass.
11. krulll (Posts: 13; Member since: 21 Nov 2012)
1) google has no interrese to defend open-sourse own because the android has most of its instructions and code owner (cyanogem always emphasizes that), the search engine has code own.
2) because it soon now that this growing WP8?
21. MeoCao (unregistered)
Android is open source, and that's huge. And Google is not a charity organistion so they have to have their own property for survival and successful business.
Look at MS, evertthing they have is proprietary, MS is a convicted offender of their monopolistic power.
Google and MS it's heaven and earth.
66. astrocramp (Posts: 8; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
This is actually not true. Google supports open standards on other devices, but has it's own proprietary protocol on Android. The sync of email, calendar, and contacts on Android phones doesn't use IMAP, CalDAV, and CardDAV, it uses Google's own standard that they won't license to anybody. IMAP, CalDAV, and CardDAV are awful, inefficient, battery sucking standards as anybody who has an iPhone and gmail knows. They are crap compared to EAS and Google's own closed protocol.
47. wp7tribes (Posts: 52; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
+1 i switched everything from gmail to outlook goodbye google
you ingored your users now your users will ignore you
3. roscuthiii (Posts: 1949; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
"Smoked by..." campaign. "Scroogled" campaign...
And now they're surprised? There seems to be a disconnect somewhere.
6. sats.mine2k4 (banned) (Posts: 208; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
Exactly this is google's way of saying GFUS MS...
22. MeoCao (unregistered)
Well said guys
43. snowgator (Posts: 3387; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
BUT.... We all laugh and giggle as Samsung slams Apple.
Come on now. Really? MS is not doing anything that any company that is promoting it's products isn't doing. At this level, it is cut throat. Microsoft and Apple have been at each other for years, but still managed to work out cross licensing agreements. But one would happily put the other out of business if they could. Google is sitting on top of the mountain in search engines and cell phones. OF COURSE MS is going to take the PR war to them. What Google is missing (and it is their right, more power to them) is if WP and Windows 8 truly explodes and becomes a huge seller, they are losing revenue streams. MS is not losing any sleep getting Office attached to Android. They like revenue.
But, I understand. At this point, it may not be enough profit for a giant like Google to mess with. The level of profit isn't there to justify doing the work for a specific standard. If it was open, the cost would be less and Google would most likely do it. If WP and related products were more of a cash cow, they would most likely do it. But they want one or the other.
46. MeoCao (unregistered)
Firstly it's MS defeated Apple in PC war and Steve Jobs may have agreed to be only a niche player and Bill Gates thought that Apple could never threaten MS PC business again. And MS made lots of money out of Apple too.
Now the World War is not between Google and Apple but its Android vs Windows.
MS tries to eat into Android market share and Google attacks MS PC business with Chrome OS and possibly later with Android (multi user feature of JB is a very clear signal).
In this war there can be no compromise and MS doesn't hold back as it's clearly the underdog and the threatened side. MS can do nothing to threaten Google so far so Google is playing the big brother role and just ignores MS.
We can only guess what Google will do if their core business is under threat, this is business after all.
9. kushki (Posts: 49; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Moved my 3 Gmail accounts with contacts and calendars to Outlook....
35. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
now you will suffer because Google wants open standards and ditched out closed rotten standards by evil company=Microsoft..... look and see you in a few months with incapable Microsoft's services :)
13. blingblingthing (Posts: 503; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
Why are people siding with Microsoft. If they are using the closed system, they should ensure its users can access them. What next, blame Google for bbm not on android?
33. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
what posting ur private data for advertisment is ok Google techinique over paid service of MS providing privacy well u are blind but the Word FREE
for corporate user Google is a bad decision
14. shahulvm (Posts: 121; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)
To put in simple terms their philosophies are like this :
Their Stmt : I have "really nice, revolutionary ground for you to play".
In Reality : It has a beautiful fence, yet its not a spectacular playground
For the consumers : Please pay the premium price, as the fence looks premium (not the ground though)
Their Stmt : Live tile, smoked by speed etc etc..
In Reality : Fence is ok and the ground is ok
For the consumers : you get what you see, nothing much fancy about it. MS capabilities are limited
Their stmt : We have a nice ground for to play and it is FREE..
In Reality : Secretly, we record everything you do and sell it for a price
For the consumers : Enjoy the warmth of free ground, just let go of your privacy. Thatsall google asks of U
30. joey_sfb (Posts: 4354; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Microsoft and Apple are also capturing user data to sell for a profits. Microsoft and Apple would never do a full disclosure because they are guility of the exact same thing. They hide this fact and play innocent. Charge the user and then violent their privacy.
37. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
nice very limited view....Microsoft+Apple are trying do the same but they are incapable ;)
15. shahulvm (Posts: 121; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)
Nobody, I mean nobody in this world will give something free without benefiting much more than their offering. Android is open source (not its apps) for a purpose and time will tell what that purpose is!!
Until then enjoy.....
23. MeoCao (unregistered)
You know what? SS, Sony, HTC.. and all big OEM have the source code and ability to develop forked versions of Android, way better than Amzon did.
The reason they stay with Google is Google does the job much better and nothing else.
67. blingblingthing (Posts: 503; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
The catch is Android pushes Google services. Gmail, Google Talk, Google Now, the Play Store.
All wonderful services, I gladly accept them.
16. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Wow, somehow it always ends up being microsofts fault. Ive been on hotmail since god knows when and still have the @msn.com adress and couldnt be happier... Most people here dont know it but there is life outsode of google...
25. MeoCao (unregistered)
Haha, MS ia at fault b-c they use proprietary technology and build a closed ecosystem.
But if you happy with MS service so why not. It's great that we have choice now thanks to open source movement.
28. meowcenary (Posts: 187; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Proprietary? How so? I can purchase a AMD/Intel processor with a AMD or Nvidia GPU and install any OS/NOS to my hearts desire. So how is that proprietary? I have a winbox that is uses thunderbird, firefox, and open office. I don't see proprietary?
29. MeoCao (unregistered)
WP, Windows, ActiveSync, Office.... are those proprietary?
We are talking about MS vs Google here my firiend.
34. -box- (Posts: 3973; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
You mean something Microsoft developed on its own and has been the standard for almost as long as PCs have been popular? Many companies try to emulate Microsoft's successful programs, some.better than others, but it is difficult to displace such an embedded standard, especially in the corporate world. I'm in favor of open-source programs as alternatives, especially if they cause the standards to progress, but there has to be the reliability and sustainability of that alternative otherwise it's just a folly used for a little while until the novelty wears out and the user returns to using the standard. I've tried Open Office, Google Docs, (as well as apple's crummy attempts), etc, none compare to the comprehensive setup and broad.functionality (and reliability and acceptance) of Microsoft Office. Same with IE versus Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Skyfire, etc. That said, there isn't anything that entrenched yet in the mobile sphere, and there likely won't be anytime soon, as it is too fickle and no company has figured out the semi-perfect formula. Just looking at RIM and Palm/HP proves that.
40. MeoCao (unregistered)
No1 is trying to displace anything here, Google stopped supporting ActiveSync b-c they don't want to pay MS for it.
Or you mean Google must support MS and pay MS at the same time for that support?
26. meowcenary (Posts: 187; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Well there is life outside free email. I have my own domain and do no have to deal with viagra plugs and nigerian scam. There is life outside both google, ms, and ios. There is thunderbird for outlook and firefox for browser, open office for ms office, and we can go on till morning.
24. BattleBrat (Posts: 1271; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
you think microsoft isnt selling your information? My Gmail account is staying with Google.
27. meowcenary (Posts: 187; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
well everyone sells your information your isp provider, supermarket rewards card program, credit card company, debit card company, and so on and so forth.
32. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
and yes open means our data will be open for adversisment on google bravo MS is still better in that prespective
36. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
microsoft better stop trying to bash google and android in their campaigns or they will be "surprised" by what else will happen if they do!
38. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
"Windows Phone users have been somewhat upset with Google for doing this"
ROTFLMFAO... No we haven't.
44. Tones (Posts: 54; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)
You speak for every windows phone user? Well there isnt that many of you i suppose.
48. wp7tribes (Posts: 52; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
True a lot of us using outlook so f scroogle
39. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
I've tried those so called "open standards" found within android, gmail, IMAP, Firefox, Linux, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, GIMP etc.. and quite frankly they suck.
Before making these blind assumptions, please take a second to realize that we didn't ask for these half-assed open standards to be shoved down our throats'. Most of us know that free doesn't necessarily mean better, which is why we choose to pay more for the superior product eg. MS Office 2010 Professional, Outlook 2010, MS Exchange Server, Windows, Photoshop CS6, MacOS, Garage Band. The list goes on and on
41. MeoCao (unregistered)
I use Yahoo mail and I'm fine with it, I also used OutLook in PC and don't see anything different.
And if MS think their service is superior they can make an app for Android and charge for the service, but frankly I don't believe many consumers will use it.
49. wp7tribes (Posts: 52; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
Don't get scroogled jump to Outlook let scroogle suffer from their own decisions
52. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
You don't want anyone borrowing or using your stuff without your consent. You worked hard to create something. You should reap the rewards for it. If you can make something better with your own idea, go ahead. Go get a job! Earn some money, instead of living on free Google stamps, right MeoCao?
53. MeoCao (unregistered)
You mean I'm jobless and live on food stamps? Say what you want to say straight and don't be so complicated.
When you can't reason you will turn to insults and personal attacks, right?
MS will lose the war to Google and will be marginalised LOL
54. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Who's warring? Look at all your Fandroid friends posts, including your own. Jumping up and down like wild animals over this PA news.
55. MeoCao (unregistered)
So what, I have plenty of time, envious?