Microsoft reorganization may lead to unified Windows department (finally)
0. phoneArena 24 Jun 2013, 10:15 posted on
A new report is saying that Microsoft is planning a major reorganization of its business and that could finally lead to a unified Windows department that combines the Windows desktop team with the Windows Phone team. Given the talk of Windows having a "unified core" and the hints towards a more Ubuntu-like convergence, this seems like a long overdue move by CEO Steve Ballmer...
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1. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
you need to do the same thing!!
google chrome and Android, YES!!
11. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Chrome OS is awesome. Not everyone needs a full OS. I do about 75% of my writing on my Chromebook. It's small, silent, cheap, and reliable. I'm not doing more than basic image editing, so what's the point of spending more on a "proper" laptop?
16. asingha94 (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)
I believe the OS is cheap, small, stable but the drawback is it is more web centric OS. Most of the application will not work without constant internet connection, most of the data will be stored into cloud. So you have to have a constant faster internet connection. Photo editing also can be done Windows XP! So that's not a big reason I think. There are many options like Microsoft office, Photo editing & full multimedia usage even in offline. So why do normal people like me care for Chrome OS & waste MONEY! It would be much better to have good internet experience with full multimedia experience.
24. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I'm not trying to convince you that Chrome OS would be good for you, I'm trying to get you to understand that your opinion isn't the only one around.
I spend 99% of my time in Chrome on my "full-powered" laptop anyway. I have a constant, fast Internet connection at home, and I can tether to my Nexus 4 while out. Everything I need to do, I can do on my Chromebook, and it is extremely thin and light, so I can bring it with me wherever I go. It was completely worth the money for me, and I would hate to see it broken by being merged with Android.
17. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
No offense Michael.
But at that price you can get a good Windows powered "proper" laptop that can do everything.
Chrome OS is a newbie and it lacks IMO.
Well its now a matter of personal choice.
English isn't my native.
23. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
There are no Windows laptops that are as thin and light as my Chromebook for just $250.
And, what is this "everything" that I'm missing out on? On my "full-powered" laptop, I spend 99% of my time in Chrome anyway. The only thing that my Chromebook doesn't have that I use on a regular basis is Skype, but I have that on both my Nexus 4 and 7, so that's not a big deal.
26. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Skype, Adobe, Corel, Macromedia etc.
May be these things are not useful for you.
29. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Chromebooks have Flash built-in, but I have no need for any of those other things. As I said, the only thing that I ever use that I can't on a Chromebook is Skype. But, I can get that on both of my mobile devices, so I'm not really missing out on anything.
39. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Ok so you have got Nexus for skyping and Chromebook for better web browsing and a "proper laptop" for doing other stuff.
Not bad. Enjoy.
33. Penny (Posts: 1477; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Don't know why you're getting so much flack for using Chrome OS; whatever works for you. But you may be interested to know that I've been hearing rumors that RT will get full fledged Windows functionality in 8.1, AND we should be seeing new Surface tablets running Windows 8.1 at the $200 price range.
35. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
If RT gets "full fledged Windows functionality" wouldn't that just make it Windows 8 for ARM?
37. Penny (Posts: 1477; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Yeah, pretty much. I was also told that Windows Phone would be getting essentially the same 8.1, but I would hold off on proclaiming that until it is corroborated by further leaks/rumors. Even if it is true, we don't really know what "essentially" means.
38. icyrock1 (Posts: 307; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
It already is like that. The reason people make fun of RT is because it doesn't have backwards compatibility with x86 programs (plus, you can only get apps from the Microsoft store).
40. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
@ $200 price range, it will really give a tough time to Chromebook IMO.
2. raunak (Posts: 507; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)
Love the way you added "finally" at the end of title.
3. Dastrix (unregistered)
Theoretically, it's a move in the right direction towards a more streamlined and efficient Windows. It was about time. Leveraging the popularity of Windows would greatly show some love to WP. Good job MS!! Bring it on!!!!
18. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Really a good move.
They are improving.
I am now realizing why Stephen Elop ditched Android for WP.
4. gaurang (Posts: 94; Member since: 16 Nov 2012)
ubuntu like...hello microsoft did the ux unification before ubuntu..get your facts straight phonearena
12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Who cares about a UX unification? I'm talking about a real top to bottom OS unification, where a phone can be docked to become a desktop, and apps work across screens. Ubuntu is the only platform on track for that.
13. roldefol (Posts: 3338; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
One of the things that holds me back from wanting a Windows Phone is the Windows name. I'm a 90s kid, so Windows to me equates to bulky, buggy OSes full of impenetrable registry entries and thousands of .dlls. I've been a Windows user for two decades by default, not by choice.
So while unification of Windows and WP makes sense for developers and users, it won't change the root of the problem, at least for me: Microsoft anything is uncool.
25. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
That is just the silliest thing I've ever read. I was a 90s kid, and I grew to hate Windows back then too (because of Sony Vaio devices). But to hold on to that idea for 20 years without revisiting is just silly.
Windows 8 on a touch device is a really nice system, and Windows Phone is as well. Neither is my primary driver, because I tend to go with the Ubuntu/Chromebook/Android combo, but there's a lot to like in the Windows world these days.
28. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
I started off as an apple kid (because that's all that were available), then converted, more or less, to Windows. I've tried a few alternatives, and always find them wanting. That my phone is designed from the ground-up to be 100% compatible with my computer and most of the software I use is just that much better.
30. roldefol (Posts: 3338; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I want to like Windows Phone, I really do. But I don't think I'm the only one holding on to that 90s prejudice. I've seen other comments here using the old M$ lingo. Is it fair? Probably not. But I stand by what I said about the Windows brand lacking a "cool" factor. I just discovered that there are Windows stores in malls, and it boggles my mind. No matter how much time passes, Microsoft will never be Apple. There aren't tens of millions of American teenagers begging their parents for the newest Windows phone.
I would much sooner buy a Nokia WP8 than an iPhone, but it would be a rational purchase, not a gut purchase.
32. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
"Cool factor" is an absurd metric anyway, because it is based mostly on the whims of teenagers. We're all idiots as teenagers, so just because something is "cool" or "in" doesn't mean a thing to me. I just care about what I like.
There are definitely those who still use the M$ term, which is just ridiculous, as those who say Android is a "buggy, laggy mess" or that Apple sues everyone over everything. Things change, and people are lazy about changing with them; but, my theory is you just have to confront people with their views and see if you can force a bit of self-reflection, because that's the best medicine.
34. roldefol (Posts: 3338; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Unfortunately, carriers consider "cool factor" when deciding when/if they should carry a new device. And yes, there are a lot of misconceptions out there, but there's typically a grain of truth - even if it's outdated truth - behind them. Is Android still fragmented? Yes, but it's not really a problem anymore. Is iOS still locked down and lacking customization? To an extent, but they've added enough features to iOS 7 that the playing field has been leveled.
I try to challenge people's notions and make the point that every OS has its merits and demerits, but there's no arguing with fanboys. I'm currently debating sticking with Android or switching to WP8, so I need my notions challenged too. I want to make sure I'm not running from a sour Android experience if all I need is to try a different vendor.
42. zdprince (Posts: 24; Member since: 10 May 2013)
Well I would say Apple used advertisements and propagandas to beat others but for how long did this last. 2007 to 2010 and then Samsung & Android caught up with them. Microsoft was concentrated on corporate areas and not the end users but just look at how fast they managed to get to WP8 and now coming with WP8.1. We now have an OS which is user and business ready which the others do not have or you have to buy apps to get there. which does not even give the same experience...
I think we should now see Microsoft differently from even 6 years ago because they now listen and delivers.
And device wise, we all know that no company beats Nokia...
43. roldefol (Posts: 3338; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Yes, Nokia has finally made the inroads they need to compete in the global smartphone market (keep in mind I'm from the US, so Symbian is not a household name here). And WP8 has a simplicity and user-friendliness that make it appealing particularly to first time smartphone users. In a world of iPhones and Galaxy S and tons of Androids, I think WP8 stands out, but the market is stacked against it for now. It will be interesting to see how much Nokia-WP can grow market share, or if they hit the giant wall called Android.
44. zdprince (Posts: 24; Member since: 10 May 2013)
I think this is doable if others are honest like you and me. End users are made to flee from windows devices by other platform lovers even thou these guys just come out with lies against the windows platform. If we should preach the goods and be honest with the problems each platform faces then the competition will be great and the end user gains.
19. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
No one is gonna buy Nokia.
Nokia has enough skills to stand on its own.
20. roldefol (Posts: 3338; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
MS needs Nokia more than Nokia needs MS.
7. KiranPAUSER (Posts: 73; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)
Yeah this will lead to unlimited applications in wp.
8. kozza3 (Posts: 637; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
what i want is Lapdock, without the dock and more powerful.
link your phone to your pc, pc does heavy lifting for documents and such but everything stays on the phone itself
10. ZeroCide (Posts: 725; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)
It will probably be mentioned at the Build confrence this week.
14. chrisbeto10 (Posts: 6; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
i think this will be a great move form microsoft, this will make wp8 more mainstream
36. Genersis (Posts: 217; Member since: 29 May 2013)
I hope this works out. As soon as I heard the idea of a multi-platform unified OS, I very much liked the idea.