Microsoft lying about screen sizes in iPad vs Windows 8 tablet comparison
Funnily, Microsoft argues that the VivoTab Smart actually has a bigger screen than the iPad, only because it has a larger diagonal - 10.6" vs the iPad's 9.7 inches. That's been proven wrong, however, since due to the difference in aspect ratio, the iPad's screen area actually happens to be larger. Of course, the uneducated viewer will simply look at the diagonals, thinking that this is the ultimate metric that illustrates screen size, and that's what Microsoft's probably hoping for here.
Microsoft is also trying to make a point by stating that the Windows 8 powered tablets are the only ones capable of running the Office suite. Now, that's actually true (since Microsoft hasn't released an official Office suite for iOS), but there are many apps that can do the same thing.
Ah, Microsoft, you never seem to learn. With the weak sales of Windows 8 tablets (and we can easily ignore the couple of RT tablets sold), Redmond is trying to take on the market leader by using false statements. Way to go, Microsoft!
14. sharks (Posts: 163; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
MS started at its very beginnings with Gates stealing from Jobs to create their first OS. It's no surprise that the company still lies about everything today.
32. Gdrye (Posts: 92; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
I really dont know that story about if bill gates stole from microsoft, but i do know that Bill Gates and Co helped write some coding for apple...i wanna know the whole story
59. tambyq (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 May 2013)
Apple stole the GUI from xerox, and asked for msoft help in building it since the only way to build it was through BASIC, and then msoft did their own version of GUI.
when Steve jobs was faced with this fact after he said msoft stole apples GUI, he said quoting from Picasso, "good artist copy, gr8 artist steal !!!
54. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 545; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
Where do Apple fanboys come up with such kinda stories.. Get a life...
17. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
no, its a fail of the author of the article....the article is ridiculously defending incapable iToy with:
1) no free copy
2) default app selection
3) just an iConboard
= a dumb device :)
and W8RT no one buys = a few major manufacturers no longer sell this because of poor demand :)
the article quality = zero :)
30. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)
This article isn't defending the iPad in any way. It just states a clear fact that the iPad's screen area is actually larger than the Asus's tab and that there are third party 'office' apps that work pretty well.
Why can't you fanboys accept the facts? Butthurt much?
52. jeff1434325 (Posts: 79; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
and why can't you accept the fact that the ipad is really just an incapable iToy?....butthurt much too?
53. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)
Cause it isn't. I bet my ass that you nigga got no money to buy that thing, hah! Calling the king of tablets a toy won't help you, try something else!
22. Shaznek (Posts: 43; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)
How is this a lie, they said the screen has a larger diagonal which is the truth,if you want to bash Microsoft atleast bash it for credible reasons and not with this bulcr*p of an article.This article is a fail, and Ray.S just lost his credibility for anything that he will ever write.
29. AkoSiMio (Posts: 9; Member since: 24 May 2013)
I totally agree with you here! This article is misleading... :(
37. jsdechavez (Posts: 676; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Agree. Another bad example of free Journalism. Highly opinionated but posted as news.http://www.phonearena.com/news
31. Tuxedo (Posts: 100; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)
The point is the images are scaled differently in favor of the Asus tab. The avg person will just look at the picture comparison since they can't visualize what a 0.4" diff in diagonal means, specially when different aspect ratios are involved.
43. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5278; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
And that is the essence of the claim of dishonesty being made against MS. They would have a more valid claim to make if they stressed that Office is not available on the iToys. The Office wannabes with maybe the exception of Google Docs, just aren't exactly ready for prime time.
But it is much easier to take a cheap shot and lie about screen size, which is what MS did.
39. Whodaboss (Posts: 173; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)
"Of course, the uneducated viewer will simply look at the diagonals, thinking that this is the ultimate metric that illustrates screen size, and that's what Microsoft's probably hoping for here."
The only uneducated are the readers who will read this article and believe your buffoonary idiotic crap of an article. Nuff said.
2. _Bone_ (Posts: 2061; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
ZOMG they lied!!! What's next, Nokia is lying about Samsung and Apple fanboys? It was supposed to be funny not dead accurate even though if there's a lawsuit, Microsoft can argue that they meant diagonal size and MS Office, in which case the commercial wasn't wrong. Seems like AppleInsider took it a little too seriously.
3. pongkie (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
are there large corporations that doesn't lie?
10. rantao333 (Posts: 157; Member since: 21 May 2013)
i heard someone say Samsung doesn't lie!
4. kushki (Posts: 49; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
It is very normal for any tech company to lie in advertisements and MS is not different than the others. Just like Apple said in their latest iPhone Ad that 'More people use iPhone to listen to music to any other phone'.... Again that is not true either.... If Ads were meant to be dead right than all ads would suck...
5. jeff1434325 (Posts: 79; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
Duh, like the apple’s advertisement in Australia that has been fined because of misleading facts doesn’t ring a bell to you, Ray? As if the word LIE is new to you.
Oh Ray, you’re always a die hard apple fan. get a life please.
6. jeff1434325 (Posts: 79; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
---it's there iPad advertisement to be exact.
7. SuperMaoriBro (Posts: 183; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Piss off. If you dont like the site or the reviewers then gtfo.
8. jeff1434325 (Posts: 79; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
Pissed off too?...well, if you don't like my comment then gtfo too.
9. erikiksaz (Posts: 65; Member since: 22 Apr 2010)
Hah, they wouldn't be lying if they were going of straight numbers. The numbers 10.6 > 9.7. They probably didn't mention anything about screen real estate, just how diagonal the plot is.
11. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1618; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Oh my god another multinational company lied......tell us something we don't know!?
13. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5482; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well Windows 8 tablets ARE the only ones able to run the office suite...
15. tiara6918 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Won't this article disappoint Ms since they sponsored an ad of the lumia 920 here at pa?
48. roscuthiii (Posts: 1716; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
At first I'd chalk the article up to Ray's unabashed Apple brand enthusiasm, however now that you mention the MS ads they've been plastering all over the site I chalk it up to PA trying to respond to any perception that because MS is giving them advertising dollars that they'd go soft on the company.
16. boosook (Posts: 768; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Well, I can't see the problem... screen size has always been expressed this way, then of course there's the aspect ratio, but that is a different thing.
If I buy a 32'' LCD television, due to the 16:9 aspect ratio its height is lower than, say, a 22'' 4:3 old tv set. Does this mean the manufacturer lied on the screen size? Noone ever complained.
21. jibraihimi (Posts: 539; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Who checks for the aspect ratio first, Ray S......???
Most of the people check for screen diagonal size, and in that aspect 10.1" is always greater than 9.7", no matter which way u measure it....... Such a fanboy article, that also coming from tech author of the site which is supposed to be neutral........
23. Veigald (Posts: 223; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
Seems this author is on an anti-MS crusade... talk about click-baiting, creating articles out of thin air. Way to go, Ray.
24. Henrik (Posts: 140; Member since: 18 Feb 2012)
I have to say, poor and biased reporting from Ray S. You'll never become a real journalist with that kind of personal preferences getting in the way of your work, clouding your judgment. You'll forever remain a tech-blogger, which seems appropriate for the time being.
Since Microsoft isn't lying, and since you even admit it yourself, then why does your headline say that they do? Microsoft Office is an Windows tablet exclusive, and the screen size is bigger (without mentioning with which method to measure it). See, no lies. Only you have now lied, with biased reporting that holds no ground.
And the ending paragraph was just you being mad. You could have left that out completely since it added nothing of value to the rest of the not-news above it.
25. shuaibhere (Posts: 859; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Lying and cheating is not new for MS...
26. Leo_MC (Posts: 394; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
It is like with so called quad-cores: nobody uses their [tiny] power but "hey, the phone is better because it is quad".
27. pookiewood (Posts: 527; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
This article is like that time when Nancy Kerrigan got her leg smashed by Tonya Harding.
34. SonyFindOneDroidple (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 May 2013)
Lol RAy S. You are the Anton Nagy and the company here
35. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Well....apple and samsung do it all the time.
exagerration, that's their name.
Funny. It's ray's second article bashing Nokiasµsoft within one day.
Got bored Ray, or you just didn't get laid yesterday and steam is still in you?
36. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
When he mentioned "apps" that can do the same thing as MS Office, I think I giggled a little. Not even close. The closest I've ever seen that compares to Office is OpenOffice/LibreOffice which, coincidentally, will run on a Windows 8 tablet as well. It won't run on IOS. Nobody gives a s*** about the difference in the screen size. Nice attempt to fuel the internet hate machine.
40. tambyq (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 May 2013)
I feel the writer is taking appels side in this article, which I really don't respect to take the side of one part and fighting the other party.
as a start, I think if I am not mistaken, you are talking about the latest advertisement by apple.
so here is a small reply to the small details you focused on, and the big details you missed.
1st of all please keep in mind windows 8 tablet is more than one manufacturer, hp, Samsung, surface (Microsoft) Toshiba, dell and much much more
2nd yes office is different, office is not like its rivals, what office does no other software can do, like the feature of (edit on the go using the cloud)
3rd, why didn't you mention the multi processing part ?
4th what about apple product support, can you see the neglect the support of older versions so fast ?
as for sharks
msoft did,t steal from apple, please go educate your self before you speak, apple stole the GUI from xerox, and asked for msoft help in building it, and then msoft did their own version of GUI.
when Steve jobs was faced with this fact after he said msoft stole apples GUI, he said quoting from Picasso, "good artist copy, gr8 artist steal !!!
please people when you want to stand on a side of one party, please educate yourself first, u can find free articles on the net, use google
41. djripster (Posts: 109; Member since: 10 Dec 2011)
Its rather disappointing when journalists let the fanboy within them write an article... :(
44. HildyJ (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
I don't know about the rest of you but I haven't used the iPad aspect ratio since my CRT monitor died. My monitors are wide screen, my TVs are wide screen, my phone is wide screen, my tablet is wide screen.
45. krimHD (Posts: 106; Member since: 23 May 2012)
so bad..this article was done with hate from the heart.
46. jabrecer (Posts: 25; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
This kind of articles was the reason I switched to other news sites. (WMPoweruser & WPCentral) I came here after few months and this article was the first one I read. Sadly, nothing changes here.
47. willard12 (Posts: 544; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
I'm not sure how saying a bigger screen is bigger is now considered a lie. However, saying that there are apps that do the same thing as office is a egregious lie told by Ray S. Since Ray thinks the sales of the 2 companies is somehow relevant to the article, he should know that Bill Gates just regained his position of richest man in the world based on the success of win8. Maybe Ray didn't look that up because he can only do 1 thing at a time. Ah Ray, you never seem to learn, don't use Appleinsider to scavenge for articles.....please, just start working for them instead.
49. roscuthiii (Posts: 1716; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
If the internet didn't have Apple Insider, Ray would never have a source.
Okay, maybe that's a little bit of hyperbole... but not by much.
50. myclevername (Posts: 93; Member since: 07 Jun 2010)
What you do is you contact the advertisers on this site and tell them you won't buy or recommend their products any longer because the site has become unprofessional and amateurish. Watch them yank ads and watch PA freak.
51. a_tumiwa (Posts: 155; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
i dont care the war among Microsoft/Windows vs Apple/ios vs Google/Android
i love my WebOS Tablet
55. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 545; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
This article is pathetic & misleading... The language of the author is biased. He is favoring iPad.. Shameless...!!!!!
See the subject of the article. Its clear that some Apple fanboy wants to put false accusation on MS for no particular reason. The author has passed his own judgement of what he thinks in the topic of artlicle. Let the readers read & decide.
PHONEARENA.. remove this article. I report this.. Thumbs down.
56. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)
Do you hear the Senate calling General Electric up to testify why they made 4 BIllion $$$ in profit last year and paid $0, zilch, nada in taxes to the US? ahahahahah ,nooooooooooooooooooo
Because GEs CEO is a big Obama supporter and on his Jobs committee and GE pays their dues in lobbying money.
57. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)
APPLE PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!!
(in bribe money to politicians..............LOLOL)
58. drewschafer28 (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 May 2013)
First off technically Microsoft didn't lie. They just stated one fact and decided to leave out others. Didn't Apple do the same thing when they released the iPad mini and compared it to the nexus 7 saying the ipad minis screen was better, while in fact it may be larger, but the resolution isn't as good...