Microsoft CEO says some Nokia X devices will be revamped to Windows Phone ones
0. phoneArena 17 Jul 2014, 08:49 posted on
There are lot of news coming from Redmond today. For starters, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella's not-so-pleasant disclosure that the company will give the pink slips to roughly 18,000 workers (12,500 of which are former Nokia employees)...
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18. aayupanday (Posts: 543; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Elop Ruined Nokia.:(
Without him Symbian would've been in place of Android.
24. Settings (Posts: 965; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)
Symbian is in its dead end when Elop came in. Symbian's architecture is not competitive enough to be in par with iOS. Enough with the Elop thing, past is past.
31. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
True, Symbian was dead even before Elop come in!
28. tasior (Posts: 261; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
No it wouldn't, it was in decline. Nevertheless, it would be much higher, than WP...
PS. I'am saying this as a Nokia, and Symbian fan - still use it as my main device.
36. elitewolverine (Posts: 2741; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
higher than wp? no. It that was the case symbian would have never fallen in the first place.
Symbian had it's own struggles and internal battles long before Elop, to the point that when they tried to license and sell it, nobody wanted it, including samsung and cisco.
Meego is another story too. But in the end Symbians code was not the 'future'.
32. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
I'm a Nokia fan, but I'll just say it, Symbian was a laggy, outdated, slow and boring piece of sh*t called an operating system. The lazy work of Symbian developers in 2009 and 2010 ruined Nokia. Nokia couldn't understand what the path forward was, i.e. SMARTPHONES. Hence, it had to hire someone who was willing to take risks, and they did that by hiring Elop. WP at that time was a fresh and modern looking UI that could really be called a smartphone OS. That was the best option at that point in time. For me, it was a great decision. Just chugging along with the crowd is something Nokia had never done before, and they didn't want to do it then. They tried something different, and with MS pumping in money, they released some brilliant phones. Unfortunately, they were late to the game. Had they adopted WP in 2010 itself when it was brand new and they still were making profits and had marketshare, maybe their condition wouldn't have been so bad today. Stop blaming Elop. Remember, it wasn't only his decision to go WP, the entire board and shareholders voted on it. Stop cribbing about it now. You cant change the past.
33. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Rubbish outdated Cpu, was used, that's why.
HTC and IPhone's were using 256ram and 400ghz Cpu, while Nokia was 128mb Ram, and 266ghz Cpu.
Go to Gsmarena, it states there.
39. elitewolverine (Posts: 2741; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Again it was not Elop's decision to use outdated hardware.
At the time Symbian could run on the hardware, apps however...Symbian failed to see the vision that iPhone had, apps apps apps apps, and selling your data to offer you free services.
3. gazmatic (Posts: 628; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
They did the wrong thing in the first place by releasing such abomination. Waste of time and resources.
Android will always be google. Android with google services is crap
5. CyberFalcon (Posts: 176; Member since: 17 Apr 2014)
"Android with google services is crap"
Yes ppl this guy is a serious hater...
8. jibraihimi (Posts: 708; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
I think he wanted to say android "without" google's services are crap......
10. ihavenoname (Posts: 1569; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
Yeah, one can't write things like that seriously.
11. sgodsell (Posts: 1837; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
If Google services are crap then why is the majority of the world using them now? Its not like Microsoft wasn't in the same countries as Google.
If Android is crap then why would Microsoft try to run with it in the first place? Google is only crap to you and your first love with Microsoft.
19. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1421; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
in some countries Bing maps only shows one road or two , compare that with Google maps , and you can see why MS is not fit for mobile
37. elitewolverine (Posts: 2741; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
When something is free, the masses will use.
I rely on google, for lots of things, at the same time i rely on my MS services more. Google maps here in my state have failed me more than once on my droid devices, where here drive and bing did not.
I cannot speak for other countries, but i have to have google for my job, and every day i do, i am glad that MS has become my go to services and devices.
Not to mention that my 365 account just gave me 5tb of could space (1tb per user).
14. Clashy (unregistered)
Look! A Microsoft worshipper.
12. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
No one wants rubbish low end budget Nokia Android phone
We want highend Nokia PureView Android phone, with Android
This new CEO, old bald headed like bullmer is another fail
7. csoulr666 (Posts: 95; Member since: 04 Nov 2013)
Let's hope they refresh the current X line as well. Then it would be a matter of time that we see dual booting on them.
9. mercorp (Posts: 988; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)
Really.enough was enough.Nokia x series was only going to cannibalize lumia 5xx series anyway.
16. sgodsell (Posts: 1837; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
The original Nokia X wasn't going to cannibalize anything. The specs were the lowest of the low. Dual core 1ghz cortex-A5 CPU is lower then even WP can or will support (A7). Not to mention the screen was poor. A 3mp camera without a flash to take the best that it cannot take. Who ever designed it should be fired. But I guess we can't fire Microsoft.
15. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4154; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Good. Microsoft was going to give Android a bad name with the Nokia X series, it was terrible. Next time, don't give us a half-assed fork between Android and WP without Google Play Services.
21. LoveHater (Posts: 168; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
and where are Micro fans ,,
NOKIA & MiCROSOft ==== R.I.P
38. elitewolverine (Posts: 2741; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
To do what? The article certainly drew android huggers. Which is what most articles of MS do here. I mean come on look at the comments left on this article...
In any rate this was expected, it is not like Google Kept EVERY employee from Motorola....
42. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2336; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
4000 @ Motorola vs 18000 @ Microsoft/Nokia.
44. sgodsell (Posts: 1837; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Umm, it drew Android huggers because Nokia X uses the Android OS. Well, in a bad way because there is no Google apps or services. Not to mention no access to the 1.5 million play store apps. But I guess now Microsoft can leave Android alone. It specifically doesn't need Microsoft in the mix. I think Google has Android covered pretty good.
45. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2336; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
While it isn't Google's version of Android, it's no worse than what Amazon is doing with their devices. Both MSs and Amazon's take on Android is the whole point behind AOSP, to take the open source version of Android and do what you want with it.
That's what everyone seems to misinterpret. Google's version of Android isn't AOSP. AOSP doesn't include Google's services, including the Playstore. So if someone takes AOSP and forks it, they don't have access to the Playstore. In MS and Amazon's case, that isn't an issue since they have their own app store.
Google's version of Android isn't open source, you can't fork it and do whatever you want to it, and still have access to Google's services, including the Playstore. While they allow some customization (UI skins, preloaded apps, etc.) there is certain point OEMS can't go beyond and still have access to Google's services.
So while MSs version of Android isn't the same as Google's, it's not using Android in a bad way, in fact what they're doing is the whole point of AOSP,to take Android and make it how you want it. The only two things I see that seem a little off to me is
1. If MS is advertising the X as running Android, hoping that people will assume that Google services are on board, as a selling point. That would be a form of bait and switch.
2. Why use Android when they have their own OS already. It would make it seem that they aren't confident in their own OS. This is being resolved by the actions MS is taking in this article.
But saying MS is using Android in a bad way is incorrect. They're using AOSP in the way it was intended, to use as open source however the end user sees fit.
22. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 616; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
They just can't compete XiaoMi Huawei Lenovo, too late to enter android world
25. LikeMyself (Posts: 352; Member since: 23 Sep 2013)
Thank you Lumia users for destroying the brand Nokia!! Very happy for you now that there won't be Android in your Nokia anymore!
46. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3570; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
It's about time we got some recognition... Thanks!
26. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
I was wondering, if I got Nokia X, and then upgraded to WP, can I sue Microsoft?
40. elitewolverine (Posts: 2741; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
For what exactly? Would love love love to hear the legal grounds of this one.
47. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
For downgrading the OS from android to WP.
48. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3570; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
He can't even afford a decent Android phone.. Do you think he even has the money to sue the ran down section 8 complex he lives in?... Lol!
43. wilsong17 (unregistered)
How dumb you could a brought a nokia luminia running android and many people would bought it
50. facts&truth (Posts: 42; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Lets get it straight. Symbian was in decline, but Nokia still had a large a large piece of the pie. Haven't said that, Elop was sent in to destroy the company. He did, and now you see the fruits of. The average american should not hate on Nokia so badly. They weren't the king of the hill for 11 years for nothing. And what other product in still on the market for 10 years ago that still works good. Know this, had Nokia made a real, high end Android, they could have stayed on top. Also, apple got some of their optimization practices from Nokia. Look, every dog has his day. Even the mighty Android wont be on top forever. You'll see in a litte while. I build and work on towers for all of the cell phone companies. I know how the game works. I want you to know, had Elop not killed Meego, some of you simple mined people wouldn't be having this conversation
51. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1269; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I predict that there will be 2 models of the Microsoft "X-class Android open source smart phones on the market. one will be the current "X2" and the Other will be an "X2" with
updated specs above the Microsoft X2 Android smart phones current specs that will sport
a lumia 920's camera and will be sold in all Markets including the USA. Look for it to appear just by September or October 2014. Microsoft knows Android smart Phones sell and will sell a couple of models to get back some of the 7 Billion dollars the spent to buy some of Nokia's smart phone assets. I call the X2 Android smart phone a Microsoft smart phones now because MS CEO Mr Nadella's calling the shots now.
52. Nokia99 (Posts: 25; Member since: 17 Jul 2014)
Well, hello there 18000 employees ! Where do you want to go today ?
53. jheferson6 (Posts: 1; Member since: 17 Aug 2014)
pior merda foi a nokia se juntar c a microsoft talvez se a nokia se dedicasse no android individualmente talvez ela estaria no topo de novo