"Make the iPhone 5 ethically" petition gets 40,000 supporters, you can join too
0. phoneArena posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:35
Last weeks a huge reporting effort by the NY Times kicked off a very important debate on overseas working conditions, focusing around Apple and quoting several former…
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1. XiphiasGladius posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:47 8 0
I hope not only apple will do things ethically but all tech manufacturers as well with no excuses.
3. bigdawg23 posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:59 4 1
You may want to research it more as there is more information out there stating that much of what is being report is not accurate.
8. XiphiasGladius posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:26 3 0
And I was only hoping that things will be done ethically.
9. remixfa posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:59 9 8
ok, prove it. show some reports. because there has been noting but bad news, accidents, suicides, explosions, and report after report of slave labor conditions at apple's foxconn factories. they are the worst of the worst.
2. fervid posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:58 2 0
Yeah...lets see how many of them sell when they cost $299+ for the base model like those devoted to Android have to pay lately. Apple and Microsoft already get chunks of Android sales, the carriers need to stop raising the price of them and spending millions, that could have been better spent, to beg for the iPhone.
4. random1204 posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:05 8 2
I think it's funny he said "PATENTLY false" GET IT?! hahaha
6. micahrahn posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:13 8 1
I say we put a petition together to have the next generation Apple products built in the United States. So what if it cost $50 extra. Its not like you are going to be buying a new iphone or ipad every month. I think $50-$100 extra for a product that you use everyday is a good trade off to bring jobs back to America.
14. Astreo posted on 01 Feb 2012, 10:33 2 2
50$? more like 100$-150$ more. americans dont like to be underpaid, they still have this idea that they DESERVE more money to do the same work as someone else. apple has to make that money up somehow. besides, american products arent always the best.
18. remixfa posted on 01 Feb 2012, 11:44 4 2
talk to the democrats that keep demanding minimum wage to go up. sounds nice, but it makes everyone who isnt minimum wage's paycheck less valuable, causes inflation, and devalues money.
21. Whateverman posted on 01 Feb 2012, 12:33 4 3
Yeah, how dare the Democrates want people to make enough to eat! Poor people should be use to not eating. Keep that money in the hands of the job creators they work for. They more they can hide overseas...the better for the American middle class, right?
You knew I couldn't let it go remix. :)
23. atheisticemetic posted on 01 Feb 2012, 13:38 4 2
you're ignorant 'whateverman' if you truly believe increasing minimum wage will help anything or anyone.
making money is fine...but what about it's VALUE? (you raise minimum wage and you raise the cost of products in store, thus doing nothing)
smh...where has all the logic gone
24. Whateverman posted on 01 Feb 2012, 15:07 3 1
First, that was really insulting dude, tone it down. Dont presume you know what subject i am knowledgable in or ignorant of just because you dont like my perspective. Remixfa and I always disagree when it comes to politics, but you'll be hard pressed to find two other people on this site who have as much respect for each as me and my brotha' mix!
Second, I've had the misfortune years ago to work for minimum wage and if you think that little $7 an hour wage should be enough to support a family, you are mistaken. Everything around us has gone up even as minimu wages were stagnant. I'm not saying it should be increased, but as the cost of living rises, so should the minimum wage for those who don't have the political plout to buy their own candidates, bills or laws. It's not about business vs the middle class or rich vs poor...it's about right vs wrong. And I jus happen to believe its wrong for greedy CEO's, companies, and politicians or both sides to ignore what their greed does to the other 99% of the population. You don't have to agree with me, you just have to vote...as will I.
28. atheisticemetic posted on 02 Feb 2012, 09:20 2 0
i agree i think it is wrong for companies to be corrupt in that way, but if you really think that increasing minimum wage as the cost of living goes up will STILL not prevent them from increasing the cost of living yet again...you're kidding yourself man
i'm sorry if you've had such misfortune at having a minimum wage job and i feel for you. However that still doesnt change my original point.
logic is emotionless...call me cold hearted and that's fine, but plz dont convince me that companies wouldnt become even more corrupt and raise the cost of living if we yet again raise the minimum wage standard. Because once we have more "money to spend" they can increase how much my toothpaste costs which solved nothing.
Second, i called you ignorant...NOT stupid, there is a difference and you cannot see pitch or tone, you merely hear it. i have more respect than to belligerently call someone stupid without knowing them.
disagree in politics that's fine...but i'm not being political...im being logical :)
most currencies are kicking our butt in terms of value; this is a scary thing for us.
(also if you're wages have gone down substantially between jobs you can still get unemployment while working)
30. Whateverman posted on 03 Feb 2012, 03:14 0 0
Well, again I'll say...I'm not saying minimum wages SHOULD go up. Just that it's in place for a reason. If it were up to the corporations, we would be making pennies per week. Maybe even less. Minimum wage was designed to improve the quality of life for all Americans and forcing companies to pay a fair wage for an hours work. But nothing I say will connivence you that this was necessary. I guess you don't care about the very poor either. Wink, Wink.
But let's move on... You're explaining the difference between ignorance and stupidity as if I don't have a clear understanding of the two words, or a dictionary. I can assure you, I know the difference even without opening my dictionary. What you need to see is that neither term is complementary no matter the tone or pitch. When I said "tone it down" I didn't mean it literally, I meant it figuratively. It just seems as though you are swinging a bit hard for someone I haven't personally attacked. I was just asking you to ease up a bit.
As for logic, I use it quit often. And when I apply logic to the current situation this country is in, I have to say we have tried this whole, "Give rich people more money and they'll give us higher wages and more jobs" thing for about ten years now. It ain't workin! Clinton-level taxes worked out great for everyone, even rich people. Why not go back to that? We've been doing the Bush tax cuts for more than 10 years and it still hasn't created any jobs! Let's just do what has already proven to work.
Lastly, I haven't worked for minimum wage in a good while now. I do very well for myself now, but that was good advice for anyone who isn't getting the kind of pay they need to survive. Get on unemployment before the republicans take that away too! It's not like they haven't tried already, right!
Away, I hope I haven't offended you because that wasn't my goal. Let's just agree to disagree. Is that cool?
27. Whateverman posted on 01 Feb 2012, 15:42 3 0
And since when did Americans (idk if you are) become so anti-American manufacturing? You say producing products here would raise the cost of products in the stores, yet there are plenty of American manufacturers who say otherwise. We can't all be in the service industry, some of us here have to make something other than excuses as to we we can't!
The only reason nothing is made here anymore is because these companies aren't ever satisfied. No matter how many billions they make, they always want to make more, which is understandable. But do it in a way that doesn't compermise everyone else's way of life. For instance, pay you fair share of taxes, make more products in the US and in other places. If that's not enough, come up with other products for us to buy. But you don't have to keep applyling all the underhanded ways to increase your profit margins. Make money and bring a better way of life to those who buy your products. It can be done.
29. atheisticemetic posted on 02 Feb 2012, 09:22 1 0
of this whateverman we do agree on
stop outsourcing and bring jobs HERE
as if companies dont have their billions to dive into their "ducktales pool" of money
31. Whateverman posted on 03 Feb 2012, 03:18 0 0
See, we are thinking alike already!!! You even used a classic Ducktales/Scrooge McDuck! If that doesn't make us distant cousins, I don't know what will!
Now com'on...gimmie a smile! :)
36. remixfa posted on 04 Feb 2012, 16:57 0 0
you see, i go on vacation for a few days, and i miss a fun conversation. :)
bullet point time! :)
1) the more everyone makes, the less everyone makes. The more money that is printed and availible the less each dollar is worth. Raising the minimum wage devalues money every time. When we were younger, you could get a big mac meal for like 4 or 5 bux. Now its 8-10 bux depending on where you live. The biggest reason for that price increase is minimum wage hikes. Minimum wage during the first example was 3.75. Its now 7.25 and above depending on location. Rent is up, energy is up, food is up and more.. is anyone actually better off since the minimum wage nearly doubled in a short period of time? Not one bit. In fact they are worse off.
Why is minimum wage propped up? To keep up with inflation? raising minimum wage helps raise inflation so thats a self defeating prophesy. How about "to buy votes". Thats the biggest reason.
And honestly, if you aren't a teenager or a person in a temporary bind between better jobs, you should be ashamed of yourself to live off of minimum wage. Obviously you made bad choices in your life to be at that job. Its not society's responsibility to take care of your bad decisions.
2) quit buying into the liberal mantras of "evil rich" and all that crap. The "rich" give something crazy like 80-90% of all donations that charity recieve. And not all the rich.. those evil republican rich. For some odd reason, democrats only want to spend other people's money, not their own. Bill Gates is one of the few exceptions to the rule. If it wasnt for those "evil rich", no one would actually be helping the poor... because....
3) The politicians dont care about the poor any more than they need to get votes. The politicians are by and large THE RICH.. and no matter what side you vote for, you are voting for A RICH PERSON. Do you really think that they are going to vote themselves into some stupid crazy high tax bracket? No. With every "tax increase" on the rich, comes another 20 "tax deductions" they can take out on themselves.
4) when politicians tax "the rich", they dont mean the insainly rich like Bill gates, Steve Jobs, or John Kerry.. they mean "The rich" as in "independent business owners that file under S-Corp status" that are not really rich. The truely rich get paid in dividends at 15%. Only Small business owners and a very very small percentage of "the rich" get a "paycheck in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you dont know what an "S-Corp" or "LLC" is, please do some research. They make up the vast majority of businesses in the US.
5) when politician tax those "rich" S-Corps, which again, are small businesses... they are hurting job creation. A small business can not take a tax hike like a large one can. That forces the small businesses to either raise prices or lay off people to offset the cost. Neither of which people like. This also gives more power to large corperations who then buy
