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"Make the iPhone 5 ethically" petition gets 40,000 supporters, you can join too

0. phoneArena 01 Feb 2012, 07:35 posted on

Last weeks a huge reporting effort by the NY Times kicked off a very important debate on overseas working conditions, focusing around Apple and quoting several former…

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posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:47 8

1. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


I hope not only apple will do things ethically but all tech manufacturers as well with no excuses.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:59 4

3. bigdawg23 (Posts: 455; Member since: 25 May 2011)


You may want to research it more as there is more information out there stating that much of what is being report is not accurate.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:26 3

8. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


And I was only hoping that things will be done ethically.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:59 9

9. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ok, prove it. show some reports. because there has been noting but bad news, accidents, suicides, explosions, and report after report of slave labor conditions at apple's foxconn factories. they are the worst of the worst.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:58 2

2. fervid (Posts: 183; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Yeah...lets see how many of them sell when they cost $299+ for the base model like those devoted to Android have to pay lately. Apple and Microsoft already get chunks of Android sales, the carriers need to stop raising the price of them and spending millions, that could have been better spent, to beg for the iPhone.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:05 8

4. random1204 (Posts: 28; Member since: 26 May 2010)


I think it's funny he said "PATENTLY false" GET IT?! hahaha

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:09 1

5. InternetsTroll (Posts: 38; Member since: 26 Jan 2012)


No .

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 10:14 3

12. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)


lol i get it and i found it hilarious XD

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:13 8

6. micahrahn (Posts: 8; Member since: 21 Dec 2011)


I say we put a petition together to have the next generation Apple products built in the United States. So what if it cost $50 extra. Its not like you are going to be buying a new iphone or ipad every month. I think $50-$100 extra for a product that you use everyday is a good trade off to bring jobs back to America.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 10:33 2

14. Astreo (Posts: 102; Member since: 05 May 2011)


50$? more like 100$-150$ more. americans dont like to be underpaid, they still have this idea that they DESERVE more money to do the same work as someone else. apple has to make that money up somehow. besides, american products arent always the best.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 11:44 4

18. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


talk to the democrats that keep demanding minimum wage to go up. sounds nice, but it makes everyone who isnt minimum wage's paycheck less valuable, causes inflation, and devalues money.

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 12:33 4

21. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Yeah, how dare the Democrates want people to make enough to eat! Poor people should be use to not eating. Keep that money in the hands of the job creators they work for. They more they can hide overseas...the better for the American middle class, right?

You knew I couldn't let it go remix. :)

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 13:38 4

23. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)


you're ignorant 'whateverman' if you truly believe increasing minimum wage will help anything or anyone.

making money is fine...but what about it's VALUE? (you raise minimum wage and you raise the cost of products in store, thus doing nothing)

smh...where has all the logic gone

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 15:07 3

24. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


First, that was really insulting dude, tone it down. Dont presume you know what subject i am knowledgable in or ignorant of just because you dont like my perspective. Remixfa and I always disagree when it comes to politics, but you'll be hard pressed to find two other people on this site who have as much respect for each as me and my brotha' mix!

Second, I've had the misfortune years ago to work for minimum wage and if you think that little $7 an hour wage should be enough to support a family, you are mistaken. Everything around us has gone up even as minimu wages were stagnant. I'm not saying it should be increased, but as the cost of living rises, so should the minimum wage for those who don't have the political plout to buy their own candidates, bills or laws. It's not about business vs the middle class or rich vs poor...it's about right vs wrong. And I jus happen to believe its wrong for greedy CEO's, companies, and politicians or both sides to ignore what their greed does to the other 99% of the population. You don't have to agree with me, you just have to vote...as will I.

posted on 02 Feb 2012, 09:20 2

28. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)


i agree i think it is wrong for companies to be corrupt in that way, but if you really think that increasing minimum wage as the cost of living goes up will STILL not prevent them from increasing the cost of living yet again...you're kidding yourself man

i'm sorry if you've had such misfortune at having a minimum wage job and i feel for you. However that still doesnt change my original point.

logic is emotionless...call me cold hearted and that's fine, but plz dont convince me that companies wouldnt become even more corrupt and raise the cost of living if we yet again raise the minimum wage standard. Because once we have more "money to spend" they can increase how much my toothpaste costs which solved nothing.

Second, i called you ignorant...NOT stupid, there is a difference and you cannot see pitch or tone, you merely hear it. i have more respect than to belligerently call someone stupid without knowing them.

disagree in politics that's fine...but i'm not being political...im being logical :)

most currencies are kicking our butt in terms of value; this is a scary thing for us.

(also if you're wages have gone down substantially between jobs you can still get unemployment while working)

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 03:14

30. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Well, again I'll say...I'm not saying minimum wages SHOULD go up. Just that it's in place for a reason. If it were up to the corporations, we would be making pennies per week. Maybe even less. Minimum wage was designed to improve the quality of life for all Americans and forcing companies to pay a fair wage for an hours work. But nothing I say will connivence you that this was necessary. I guess you don't care about the very poor either. Wink, Wink.

But let's move on... You're explaining the difference between ignorance and stupidity as if I don't have a clear understanding of the two words, or a dictionary. I can assure you, I know the difference even without opening my dictionary. What you need to see is that neither term is complementary no matter the tone or pitch. When I said "tone it down" I didn't mean it literally, I meant it figuratively. It just seems as though you are swinging a bit hard for someone I haven't personally attacked. I was just asking you to ease up a bit.

As for logic, I use it quit often. And when I apply logic to the current situation this country is in, I have to say we have tried this whole, "Give rich people more money and they'll give us higher wages and more jobs" thing for about ten years now. It ain't workin! Clinton-level taxes worked out great for everyone, even rich people. Why not go back to that? We've been doing the Bush tax cuts for more than 10 years and it still hasn't created any jobs! Let's just do what has already proven to work.

Lastly, I haven't worked for minimum wage in a good while now. I do very well for myself now, but that was good advice for anyone who isn't getting the kind of pay they need to survive. Get on unemployment before the republicans take that away too! It's not like they haven't tried already, right!

Away, I hope I haven't offended you because that wasn't my goal. Let's just agree to disagree. Is that cool?

posted on 01 Feb 2012, 15:42 3

27. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


And since when did Americans (idk if you are) become so anti-American manufacturing? You say producing products here would raise the cost of products in the stores, yet there are plenty of American manufacturers who say otherwise. We can't all be in the service industry, some of us here have to make something other than excuses as to we we can't!

The only reason nothing is made here anymore is because these companies aren't ever satisfied. No matter how many billions they make, they always want to make more, which is understandable. But do it in a way that doesn't compermise everyone else's way of life. For instance, pay you fair share of taxes, make more products in the US and in other places. If that's not enough, come up with other products for us to buy. But you don't have to keep applyling all the underhanded ways to increase your profit margins. Make money and bring a better way of life to those who buy your products. It can be done.

posted on 02 Feb 2012, 09:22 1

29. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)


of this whateverman we do agree on

stop outsourcing and bring jobs HERE

as if companies dont have their billions to dive into their "ducktales pool" of money

posted on 03 Feb 2012, 03:18

31. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


See, we are thinking alike already!!! You even used a classic Ducktales/Scrooge McDuck! If that doesn't make us distant cousins, I don't know what will!

Now com'on...gimmie a smile! :)

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 16:57

36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you see, i go on vacation for a few days, and i miss a fun conversation. :)

bullet point time! :)

1) the more everyone makes, the less everyone makes. The more money that is printed and availible the less each dollar is worth. Raising the minimum wage devalues money every time. When we were younger, you could get a big mac meal for like 4 or 5 bux. Now its 8-10 bux depending on where you live. The biggest reason for that price increase is minimum wage hikes. Minimum wage during the first example was 3.75. Its now 7.25 and above depending on location. Rent is up, energy is up, food is up and more.. is anyone actually better off since the minimum wage nearly doubled in a short period of time? Not one bit. In fact they are worse off.
Why is minimum wage propped up? To keep up with inflation? raising minimum wage helps raise inflation so thats a self defeating prophesy. How about "to buy votes". Thats the biggest reason.

And honestly, if you aren't a teenager or a person in a temporary bind between better jobs, you should be ashamed of yourself to live off of minimum wage. Obviously you made bad choices in your life to be at that job. Its not society's responsibility to take care of your bad decisions.

2) quit buying into the liberal mantras of "evil rich" and all that crap. The "rich" give something crazy like 80-90% of all donations that charity recieve. And not all the rich.. those evil republican rich. For some odd reason, democrats only want to spend other people's money, not their own. Bill Gates is one of the few exceptions to the rule. If it wasnt for those "evil rich", no one would actually be helping the poor... because....
3) The politicians dont care about the poor any more than they need to get votes. The politicians are by and large THE RICH.. and no matter what side you vote for, you are voting for A RICH PERSON. Do you really think that they are going to vote themselves into some stupid crazy high tax bracket? No. With every "tax increase" on the rich, comes another 20 "tax deductions" they can take out on themselves.

4) when politicians tax "the rich", they dont mean the insainly rich like Bill gates, Steve Jobs, or John Kerry.. they mean "The rich" as in "independent business owners that file under S-Corp status" that are not really rich. The truely rich get paid in dividends at 15%. Only Small business owners and a very very small percentage of "the rich" get a "paycheck in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you dont know what an "S-Corp" or "LLC" is, please do some research. They make up the vast majority of businesses in the US.

5) when politician tax those "rich" S-Corps, which again, are small businesses... they are hurting job creation. A small business can not take a tax hike like a large one can. That forces the small businesses to either raise prices or lay off people to offset the cost. Neither of which people like. This also gives more power to large corperations who then buy

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 17:03 2

37. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


5) when politician tax those "rich" S-Corps, which again, are small businesses... they are hurting job creation. A small business can not take a tax hike like a large one can. That forces the small businesses to either raise prices or lay off people to offset the cost. Neither of which people like. This also gives more power to large corperations who then buy politicians who help them continue to "tax the rich".. aka tax their competition right out of business.

6) which then increases unemployment and stifles business growth while growing those "fat cats" that liberals like to rage against.

7) which presents a problem, since most mega corporations have both democrats and republicans in their pockets. But do you know who their bigest "donations" go to? Those democrats like OBAMA and RIED and DODD and PELOSI, who get millions in yearly "campaign contributions" to keep "going after those evil rich".

8) While both sides are guilty of this, the democrats are much worse. The republicans by and large try to do things that help small businesses succeed.

9) what the republicans dont have is a central massive, and consistant advertising campaign to let you see this, unlike the democrats.. which have the bulk of "news stations" in their pocket.

10) so in essence, what you have is the democrats screwing over the populous in a very round about way, while blaming the whole thing on republicans. And you hear it so much you start to believe it unless you actually look into it. Much like how people love apple no matter how bad apple treats them.. people love the democrats no matter how often you get screwed by democrats.

11) quit finding articles that only agree with your preconceived notions and just read all articles. your mind will open up and see whats really going on. And its not pretty.

that should pretty much hit everything in one topic. :)

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 19:57

38. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


LOL. I figured either a vacation or a data outage. :)
But anyway, I know there is nothing I can say to a republican or any conservative to convince them the sky is blue, so I'll just say this. In my lifetime, I've seen three republicans and two Democrates in office, and each time a rep was in charge...things were screwed up. When a dem was in charge, things were always much better or at least moving in the right direction. There was even a surplus for goodness sakes! But as soon as a rep took over, the country went straight to the crapper. Coincidence??? I think not.

The Dems aren't innocent at all. Clinton accidentally allowed an aspirin factory to be bombed. Obama didnt take advantage of having contorl of both houses, he extended the Bush tax cuts and gave the reps 90% of everything they wanted because the reps were holding unemployment being its hostage. Even if the Dems don't care about the poor, at least they don't outright hate them or want them to die. Remember that whole "Let em DIE!" thing?

My point is, I think when you vote for either party your still voting for the lesser of two evils. It's just that the Dems are like chicken pox while the reps are like AIDS. :)

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 20:22 1

39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lolz.. ok

clinton raised taxes to a draconian 64% on the highest tax brackets for 2 years. in 1994 the economy was starting to take a major downturn because of it. it was under the first republican congress in 40 years that forced clinton to lower taxes which created the economic boom you loved so much. (clinton was above all, a pragmatist, he wanted to be loved and reelected) in 1999 we had the dot com boom and bust which led to a wall street collapse, as well as the 1999 computer bug scare. this led to the SECOND recession under Clinton's term. (first one was 93/94). Lucky for him, he was about to pass the buck onto the new guy.. Bush. When Bush took over, we were in the middle of a huge recession. It was Bush's major tax cuts that brought us back to prosperity until 9/11/2001, which sent us into another tail spin economically. So in Bush's first term in office, he inherited a recession and another was thrown at him that wasnt his fault. It was Bush's pro-business policies that kept us from having a huge downturn and we actually had a good few years until 2006 when Pelosi took over the congress and Ried took over the senate in a mid term election. Then Chris Dodd and Nancy Pelosi wrote the housing bill that Bush signed.. which collapsed the market. The bill forced banks to start making sub-prime loans to people with bad credit (banks would never chose to do so by themselves, no matter what democrats have convinced you). That bill was the reason for the housing market collapse which started this huge economic downturn we are in. Then Pelosi, Ried and Dodd had bush sign off on TARP witch gave the next president a nearly unlimited slush fund to "save the economy" with. Bush signed it like a moron and then left office. Obama comes in and starts "saving things" (which was the democrat's intention the entire time, Bush was too unpopular to allow for another republican to be reelected and take credit for anything). Unfortunately the democrat's plan didnt go as well as they hoped and its backfired on them. Obama has now presided over the largest government power grab in history, the largest debt increase in history for any president, and the worst economic timing since the great depression, and it was almost completely at the hands of him and his fellow democrats.

WEM, you needed a history lesson. There it is.

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 20:24 1

40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


there, this website has a chart for pretty much anything you can think of from 2001-2011. Pay special attention to GDP. And make sure you mark the special dates of 2006 and 2008 (democrat house/senate take over, the housing bill, and the 2008 housing collapse)

Also, there are some neat energy graphs in here too. look at the fuel pricing.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/charting-last-10-years-us-economy

Obama has done more to hurt the middle and lower classes than any president since the new deal. He has shut down our oil drilling in the gulf, tried multiple times to tax energy makers (which then they turn around and throw that new cost into the product, which raises the prices for the consumer, and tried to force us to buy high cost hybrid vehicles. He has also tried new coal taxes, which again, only hurts the poor even more since 80% of american energy runs on coal power. He also wants to tax "low mileage" vehicles, which sounds nice until you realize that taxes almost every truck and medium/large vehicle in existence. I dont know too many rich people that drive around in trucks... but i do know a ton of working class people that do. And every last one of them would be hurt by it.

The biggest costs to the poor are not food and shelter, its energy. Obama is trying to hit energy the hardest, which hits the poor the hardest.

your falling for the democrats advertising lock stock n barrel the same way mizzy, gallito, and gemini fall for Apple's. Blindly defending and completely wrong.

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 21:13

41. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Nah, I have no intrest in a republican history lesson because if you really think Cliton more than double taxes, it's obvious who really needs the lesson. Clinton raised taxes from 31% to 39%, but youre just gonna believe what Fox News and good ol' Rush tells you to believe anyway. And of course you think Obama has done more damage, even though he made money from the auto and bank industry bailouts. Also let's for get the fact that he's killed two dictators, ended a war, prevented the total destruction of this country and some say the worlds economy, and gave healthcare to the people that reps want to just go away and die. Let's forget all of that, make up a few lies about how Dems are really just lucky to be in office when all of these booms just happen to come up only because of the ground work the reps did before them. You make a convincing argument to someone who doesn't know any better, but I actually lived it!

posted on 04 Feb 2012, 22:58 2

42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/setting-the-tax-record-straight-clinton-hikes-slowed-growth-bush-cuts-promoted-recovery

Yes. I was a little off on the 60%. I threw that from memory. Now i have to figure out where I got that from. The fact still remains, that his tax increase stalled the economy and it only grew after republicans forced him to reduce it.

Obama did what? say what?
Ended what war? When it took over we were invading 4 countries.. now we are invading 6!! And one of those countries was a supposed "ally" that he promised to be nice to, and the other was the illegal air raid in libya that was unconstitutional. What war did he end exactly?? lol
http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

He killed who?!?! The intelligence that was gathered to kill Osama was gathered under Bush and all that "evil" waterboarding of Guantanimo detanies that you are against. Obama used to be against it until he was president, now he has expanded those powers even further. The only thing that Obama did was give the go ahead to pull the trigger. Yes, he gets credit for that, but not without giving Bush the credit for going after the bastard in the first place. Obama would have NEVER gone after Osama. Hillary.. maybe.. Obama, never.

Prevented what total destruction of the world's economy? Dont you pay attention? Italy and Greece have collapsed. Spain is right behind them. The EU is on the verge of a total dissolution and meltdown. America is worse off now than it was when he took over. We have double the debt, huge government expansions which cost trillions a year, and no income. We are 100% expenditures to GDP as a country. Thats WORSE than greece. The ONLY reason we are propped up at all is because we are the world's trade currency. The ONLY REASON unemployment LOOKS like its going down is because the government only counts unemployed people that are ON unemployment benefits and actively looking for a job. Unemployment went down because people ran past their 99 weeks of unemployment and got kicked off the system. True unemployment is hovering around 20%.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/10-real-unemployment-one-out-of-five-in-us/

Know any better about what? how exactly have you lived it? How exactly have I not? When I was a young one, I believed all the crap that the liberals brain wash you to believe. I bought it hook and sinker. Unfortunately, i do way too much independent research to believe their crap. You assume that because I know the democrats are full of lies, that i must be a republican. I am neither. I dont think you actually read my responses.

All I hear is liberal mantra and blind defence. Other than the tax rate correction, you didnt present a single fact and only threw opinion and propaganda out.

I demand better of you!!! :) :) :)

posted on 05 Feb 2012, 11:40 1

43. tsarbomba (Posts: 16; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


Yes, indeed "let's for get the fact that he's killed two dictators, ended a war, prevented the total destruction of this country and some say the worlds economy, and gave healthcare to the people that reps want to just go away and die." because none of it is true. The CBO stated that the real unemployment number is above 10%. Greece needs another bailout. France and Germany are fronting the bill to Greece with money they do not have. This is what you call saving our economy and the world's?

You like to accuse people of watching Fox news as some sort of denigration. The same thing as listening to Rush. It is obvious what you read and listen to because of what you spew at us; Media Matters, MSNBC, CNN, all the rest of that tripe. Only by sticking with those regrettable talking points could anyone call 10% unemployment and over 40% of people in this country who are not the "1%" not paying taxes a wonderful thing under a liberal democrat president.

You lived it, but it appears, you didn't really pay attention. In reality, we are all living it.

Obama had nothing to do with any military successes. Bin Laden's death happened DESPITE Obama's presidency.

posted on 05 Feb 2012, 13:36

44. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


It's funny how.you used the word "accuse" when I talk about those of you who watch Fox. It's almost as if you know what you're watching is wrong. It's even funnier that you have so many other news stations listed as though all these other stations are the ones who got it wrong. That's why I don't blame remix for getting the fax wrong, because he's getting his news from spin doctors who will lie, cheat, and even hack people's accounts just so they can make up a story.

Everything I stated was fact! You guys give Bush the credit for Sadaam even though he didnt pull the trigger, so why can't Obama take credit for the last two dictators snuffed out under his watch? That's the problem I have with some republicans, they have all these double standards that only apply to dems. And you guys refuse to see anyone else's point of view, its always all or nothing and usually your all means people (usually lot people) have to die! The right act as if they own the tradmark to Christianity yet most don't ever stop to ask what would Jesus do? Would Jesus tell a 30 year old accident victum to die because he doesn't have health insurance? Would he take money from schools and give them to big business? And would he except any man who converted to Christianity from Muslim, or would he continually turn him away?

Republicans have nothing to offer this country because they don't care about this country. All they care about is keeping people in the dark and distracted on things like fake birth certificates, and terrorist fist bumps, just so you don't see them stealing your pentions, 401k's, you rights of collective bargining and even your right to vote in some states.

You guys don't have to believe anything I say. Just put up one of your own candidates that have a brain, some common sense, that pays their fair share of taxes(so I guess the Bain Capitalist that doesn't care about poor people is out) with morals (there goes the historian womenizer) that cares enough about the country and the people in it to do what's best for US all. If you can find one, I'll vote for him. Until then, I'll stick with the.much lesser of two evils. Good day gentlemen.

posted on 05 Feb 2012, 14:53

45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol, considering more than half of obama's people have been caught evading taxes and still havent payed, you have no point. :) Also, Obama is only as intelligent as his teleprompter. Mr "ive been to all 57 states" and "if we only tuned our cars, we would be oil independent" is not so smart without someone telling him what to say.

posted on 05 Feb 2012, 15:38

46. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Better to read from a teleprompter than his hand. :) Besides, anyone could get caught up reading from those things. Look at what happened to Ron Burgundy of Action News...:D

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