Leaked image suggest iPad mini 2 won't have Retina display
0. phoneArena 17 Oct 2013, 09:23 posted on
The Apple iPad mini 2 might turn out to be a disappointment for all of you anticipating to see a ‘Retina’ high-res display in it…
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1. aayupanday (Posts: 548; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
If this holds true then there won't be many people buying this 7.9 incher and it would be a fail...
Apple's gotta somehow cram in that High res panel in that Ultra Slim Chassis.
2. Topcat488 (Posts: 1203; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
I agree with you about cramming in more things for the "mini"... Apple needs to do a Samsung on it and throw in the "kitchen sink", with Touch ID, etc.
But if Apple makes the ipad mini 2 too good... It might eat into sales of the regular ipad 5,,, can't have that.
10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Don't be surprised if no retina display for the mini - Apple needs to differentiate the iPad 5 from the mini, and resolutionary is one way to do it. Plus, Apple avoids yield problems with the smaller retina display size.
11. appleDOESNT.com (banned) (Posts: 456; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
another S hit with 1024 res! rotflmao @ apple iClones, who will buy another mini that's the same as last years mini which was sooo embarrassing low rez for it's introduction proving that apple is only out for profit margins. Every tab on the planet and every phone has a higher resolution than pitiful SD quality 1024x768 and the iPad Mini 1 & 2
12. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
"We have learned over the years not to worry about cannibalization of our own product. It's much better for us to do that than for somebody else to do it." - Tim Cook
I would hope this thinner profile means that the iPad mini has a Retina display of a different technology, making it thinner. If this really doesn't have a Retina display, it'll be a fail.
17. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I predict my 4 months older, $120 cheaper 2013 nexus 7 will be better than the new iPad mini in every single way. Just as my og n7 was greater than the og iPad mini. I still can't believe that so many people enjoy spending more money for a lesser product =/
28. bucky (Posts: 1832; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Lesser in your eyes. Everyone has preferences.
31. blingblingthing (Posts: 493; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
Quite true bucky;
I'm one of those who prefer paying more for sub HD, lower PPI with less processing power. Yes android has more features; but i don't like them, so it makes sense to pay more NOT to have them
30. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I'm a big fan of the Nexus series, and even I will admit that the original iPad mini was better than the Nexus 7. The Tegra 3, despite having 2 more cores was only slightly faster than the A5 chip in the iPad mini, but that marginal difference was completely negated by the GPU, the PowerVR SGX543MP2 in the A5 completely stomped the Tegra 3's GPU.
The same will be said for the Nexus 7 (2013) and the iPad mini 2 if they put the A7 in it, which would be the only option that makes complete sense. The Rogue GPU in the A7 is on par with the Adreno 330, and would be far past the Adreno 320 in the Nexus 7. The dual core Cyclone CPU in the A7 also out-performs the quad core Krait 300 CPU by a fair margin and are also more power efficient, and that lead in efficiency is only increased by the M7 co-processor.
Yes, I prefer Android as phone OS, but Apple's ecosystem is unmatched at this point, and I want some more flavor in my daily life. Once I get an iPad, I'll have Android for my phone, iOS for my tablet, and Windows for my desktop OS, and I'll enjoy every minute of it.
32. blingblingthing (Posts: 493; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
What is the this "ecosystem" I keep hearing? The app store with less apps? Or itunes is that important? You have a Mac and an Apple router so you need their Tablet?
What is it?
34. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Less apps overall, but way more tablet optimized apps, especially when you consider full sized tablets; smaller tablets are alright on Android (but still not as good as the iPad), but full sized Android tablets are pretty bad in terms of optimization.
iTunes is that important to me, because all my music is on there. Most of my friends have iOS devices, so it only makes sense that I have one as well that isn't horribly outdated (I have an iPod Touch 4th gen) and since I prefer Android for my phone OS, why not get an iPad?
I said in the post you commented to that I had a Windows PC, so no. And I have no idea why having an Apple router would make me more inclined to buy an Apple tablet, but no, I don't have an Apple router.
51. romeo1 (Posts: 549; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)
Because most of your friends have ios devices it makes sense to buy one yourself?
That is really lame. Gotta have a own opinion mate. And the music you have on itunes can be put on you android/windows/blackberry as well.
53. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I do have my own opinion, and my opinion is that Android is best for phones, iOS is best for tablets, and Windows is best for PC. Most of my friends having iOS devices is just another reason, not a deciding factor.
I've tried to look up how to get my iTunes music onto my phone, but the methods I found were kind of time consuming and some apps that did it weren't really as fluid as the iOS ecosystem was, so it just made sense to keep my iPod Touch. Granted, that was a couple years ago, and there probably are better options now, it still just seems easier to stay in iOS. If you know an easy way to get all my iTunes music onto Google Play Music, I'll be happy to do it.
54. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Slave to iTunes. In a way I'm a slave to Google Music. I used to like iTunes until 64bit Windows, sucked since then. I ditched my iPod for a Cowon and never looked back.
Use what you like and like what you use, who cares what other people think.
40. Taters (Posts: 4070; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
The A7 is not going to be in the iPad mini 2....lol
It makes no sense to jump from the A5 to the A7 when they probably have a factory full of A6 chips that Samsung sent them in a factory somewhere that needs to be used.
57. Finalflash (Posts: 2083; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
At the rate they're currently shafting their customer base, I half expect them to release an iPad mini in gold and call it mini 2. There is no point in further getting in bed with a corporation that does greedy retarded things like this. Shafting a perfectly good iPhone 5, releasing updates that cripple phones with no downgrade possible. It is just selfish and stupid and you only harm yourself by buying their crap.
37. Taters (Posts: 4070; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
People will buy it, just like they bought the iPad 2 despite it having the same screen as the iPad 1. And people still bought the 4s despite it having the same screen as the 4.
They just got away with pricing a crappier version of the iPhone 5 for more than an iPhone 5 would cost now. Do you really think that not having a retina display would stop the sheep like ninetysix, darkjedi, and mxyziptik from lapping this up even though it has a low red screen?
Not a chance.
Apple figures that thinner, more powerful, and touch ID is more than enough and they can save the retina for a rainy day. And that is smart, I would do the same because I know it will sell regardless so might as well save money making it.
48. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
People bought the iPad 2 because it was substantially more powerful than the iPad 1. No one really cared about the display because back in 2011, high resolution tablet displays were practically unheard of. The highest tablet resolution was like, what, 1280 x 800? Not that far off from the iPad 2. If they did use that resolution for the iPad 2, it would've just been about 20 ppi more dense and have a different aspect ratio. Same for the 4S; at the time, the highest resolution for phones was qHD (until the Galaxy Nexus), and the 4(S)'s resolution was actually slightly higher than that. But, once again, it was much more powerful.
Apple didn't exactly "get away" with the iPhone 5C. The 5S is by far more popular than the 5C, so much more that Apple is actually cutting production of the 5C to make sure they don't have a loss because they were selling so badly (comparatively).
If Apple does incorporate Touch ID like you said, it would only be natural to include the A7, considering that's their only 64 bit chip at the moment. 64 bit increases security, and since security is the most pressing issue people have against Touch ID, it would be stupid to include it as a feature on a less secure system.
If Apple does introduce the iPad mini 2 without Retina, it's off my list and I'll get a Nexus 7. If it's not Retina and has Touch ID without the A7, I'll advise people not to get it, because that's just terrible.
50. Sakeem (Posts: 376; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Valid points. I'm weary of their history in terms of the ipad 3 to ipad 4. What was the major difference between those devices??? The lightning port....slightly faster and thinner? And the 4 to the 4s. The major difference...siri?? Maybe a few bumps in specs? Let's see what they have decided to do. If it is the relatively same device as the first one, the I agree with you in that being terrible. However, we both know it will sell like crazy regardless. Apple has......I don't know what to call it but they have something that keep people buying relatively the same device again and again. All companies wish they could duplicate what they do.
58. Finalflash (Posts: 2083; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
They have nothing but the US (no where else is that behavior exhibited). The reason it sells is because 1) people are afraid to move to something new, 2) they are trapped with paid apps in apple ecosystem, 3) they don't know of alternative (no greater group of uninformed such as that of the US population), 4) They think it is cool (this is dying down and has quite a bit)
None of the good reasons such as quality or tech superiority exist anymore. The build quality is bad (bad wifi, easily scratchable unlike other metal phones like padfone infinity or HTC one). Lots of problems with new OS release and serious issues with direction (why go cartoony, can't they go serious and flat).
64. Taters (Posts: 4070; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Um.... A 2048 x 1536 7.9 inch is more unheard of then a 2048 x 1536 9.7 inch back then. And the iPad mini 2 will be substantially more powerful than the mini. A6 vs A5.
Look, you can be a hopeless romantic all you want like all other Apple fans but they reuse screens like crazy, that is a fact and no one should put it past them to reuse the mini 1 resolution and just include an A6 instead of an A5.
65. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
More powerful internals was a very good upgrade for tablets... In 2011. This is 2013, making a tablet without a high resolution display is just embarrassing. Apple not including Retina would be the worst thing they could ever do to the mini. We'll see what happens on Tuesday, if there really is no Retina on the mini, I'm getting a Nexus or a Windows tablet.
3. ijklmnop (Posts: 18; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)
i dont think people are dumb these days to choose ipad over superawesome nexus tab
5. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
They are actually, there are a lot of them here who think the iPad is the only good tablet.
9. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Or maybe because the iPad IS a significantly better tablet than everything else out there. You're crazy if you think otherwise.
13. willard12 (Posts: 1097; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Apparently not in the display department.
23. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9711; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Nexus 7 (2013) > iPad Mini 2
GN 10.1 (2014) > iPad 4/5
*Based on info from leaks
38. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
you smokin crack smurf... you guys wish those tablets are better.
dont deny reality.
52. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9711; Member since: 14 May 2012)
iPad Mini will sport a A6 chip, which is on par with the modified S4 Pro in the N72. Now when it comes to the iPad 5, that's a different story. iPad 5 will have an edge in the GPU department thanks to the quad core Rogue, but the N10.1 is the closest you'll get to a portable computer, especially with the TouchWiz features Samsung has implemented (I'm not talking about the gimmicky features.)
Apple can prove me wrong and release it with a A7 chip (to make 64-bit universal) but I highly doubt it. iPad 5 with the A7X will be 64-bit and may have a quad core CPU this time around.
Again, based on leaks and what I know of Apple's update cycle.
27. blingblingthing (Posts: 493; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
@msa1988 you forget the "/sarcasm"; withour it, people might think you seriously mean that.
8. brober (Posts: 3; Member since: 05 Sep 2013)
Many non-technical people will think the 7.9" screen size of the mini means more on-screen than a much higher resolution 7" Android tablet.
29. blingblingthing (Posts: 493; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
"A fool and his money are easily parted."
19. BillyG (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)
right... super phone apps that forced to be used on tablet, super lag and bad battery compared to ipad... i pity those 'dumb' people would rather have a smooth experience and tablet that just works.
24. ijklmnop (Posts: 18; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)
smooth experience?ever heard of ios fiasco?
25. ijklmnop (Posts: 18; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)
smooth experience?ever heard of ios7 fiasco?
55. BillyG (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)
even with that 'fiasco' it still works better... besides i'm loving skeuomorphic design too much... still rocking my iPad 4 with iOS6
61. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
How does it work better? Everything on android is unified, it can do everything IOS can and much much much much more. And don't forget android tablets are way cheaper.
Can you customize anything besides your icon layout and background on IOS? No you can't.
Can you switch stock apps to different ones/ tell your phone which app you want to be used for doing certain things like opening a zip file, video/picture or music or which browser to open it with? No?
Can you download files from the web, attach usb devices like flash drives, mouse and keyboard, controllers and portable hard drives or run things like emualtors without jailbreaking? No again?
Well that sucks for you. I can name 1000 other things but I think thats enough.
62. BillyG (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)
nice try. good things that my ipad4 is jailbroken. i can do all those things on my jailbroken iPad4, and i can do it smoothly, 0 lags, and superb battery life comparing to any android tablet. most android apps are not suitable for tablet, and a research already prove that touch response time on ios devices is way faster than any android devices.
the only thing that android tablet is better than ipad : its cheap... and for that you have to give up battery life, lack of tablet apps, and living with lags... must be suck to be you...
63. shuaibhere (Posts: 1871; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
and another studay has said that android 4.0+ has no lags....why do you complain about something you've never used or used 2,3 years before....
4. fistigons (Posts: 264; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
Well if the ipad mini is using an igzo display like the ipad 5 is supposed to have, then it would have a thinner profile.
6. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Well someone on your team already predicted that as a possibility
7. datphoneguy (Posts: 145; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)
It was embarassing enough that the first gen mini had no retina display, but I can't believe Apple would consider releasing gen 2 without retina either...that's just...bad.
14. emadshiny (Posts: 1142; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
I was really looking forward to new iPad mini but now i will have some new choices:
LG G pad or Galaxy note 10.1 or maybe Tablet Z.
33. blingblingthing (Posts: 493; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
We might not be able to if is the screen is sub HD. :D
16. Eonnaydra (Posts: 217; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
Its all about the experience not about specs,i would still buy a Mini 2 because of its ecosystem and smoothness but its really dissapointing the lack of a Retina Display.
Anyway iPad 5 is the king!
18. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Asus nexus 10 is going to destroy the iPad 5 flat out, in every way, no contest, and at a lower price point.
20. CreeDiddy (Posts: 491; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
The iPad Mini will be Retina. These unknown websites posting false info.
21. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I have one word for a potential non-Retina iPad mini 2: OBSOLETE
22. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
It would further enhance the Nexus 7 2013 edition. That is one sweet tablet.
26. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
They can't seriously field a $350 8" tablet with that 2010 screen resolution. I know there are people who'll buy anything with an Apple logo on it, but with both the Nexus and Kindle going 1080p, it'd be a complete joke.
35. blingblingthing (Posts: 493; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
If some poor sap is willing to part with more money for less product, that is a deal no one can refuse.
36. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
If this is true what is the point of the iPad mini 2??? I really like the original but this is bad apple!! They might as well call it the iPad Mini 1s
41. Sakeem (Posts: 376; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Hmmm...the only way I think this would be true is if Apple was really that concerned about the mini severely outselling the full size slate. Think about it. If both devices were the exact same specs wise, where the only difference was the screen size, why buy the more expensive, larger, less portable tablet? That's not to say some people wouldn't but the full size ipad would be outsold in a huge way. Let's see what happens. The 22nd will be here soon enough.
45. Taters (Posts: 4070; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
You guys are forgetting who you are dealing with. The greediest fukks on the planet. They would raise Canadian hardware prices and raise the price of iOS apps in Japan to maintain their ridcukously high profit margins rather than given some of that to their consumers.
All it would take is this conversation for the iPad mini 2 to not have a retina display.
Tim Cook: Does the iPad mini 2 need a retina display to sell?
Head engineer and designer: I doubt it, the iPad 2 and mini 1 didn't.
Tim Cook: How much would giving it a retina display cut in on our profit margins?
Head engineer and designer: A lot
Tim Cook: Let's just rape these morons hard and use the same display then. Next item in the agenda!
How do you guys come up with the only way this is true nonsense? They did it before and they have always overpriced their products. A 2048 x 1536 igzo at 7.9mm would be about par for the course and maybe even a little bit over compared to what their competitors are offering and when has Apple EVER not ripped people off?
46. Sakeem (Posts: 376; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Take it easy Taters. This news is not even confirmed yet. While I understand what your saying with Apple going after the highest profit margins possible at the expense of their loyal following, lets wait and see on the 22nd if this is true. I would hope not but then again wouldn't be surprised if it was given their history.