Larry Ellison says Apple without Steve Jobs is destined to fail
0. phoneArena 12 Aug 2013, 20:12 posted on
The point was made plenty of times throughout the time when Steve Jobs was in poor health, and when Tim Cook took over as CEO of Apple. But, given the company's continued success since Steve Jobs' death, the calls for doom within Apple have quieted until now. In an interview with CBS News set to air in the morning, Oracle CEO Larry Ellison is reiterating that he sees Apple failing without Steve Jobs...
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1. nobelset (Posts: 268; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
True. So true. But apple should invent something new before their royal customers flock off...
7. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Not true and let it remain stagnant, then Apple users will all migrate to
10. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2999; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
It's a healthy thing for all the OEMs to survive together. I may not like Apple as much as other OEMs but i wouldn't want them to die...
I want them to go back and learn things, like doing innovative things, that will help them rise. Competition has brought us to this stage...you must accept that.
12. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
But I want them, the fruit to be joining BB very soon.
20. darkkjedii (Posts: 10528; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Talking to Troll is like talking to Helen Keller. +1 for your comment Nathan. Mature, and intelligent.
32. softfurryanus (banned) (Posts: 232; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
I'll never understand why people pay attention to you when your name is "TROLL"
2. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6241; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
At least someone out there says Apple is fallen. and besides Apple was fallen before. All i see is law suits and same product designs which makes Applea bad company and it stocks fallen..
3. ZeroCide (Posts: 683; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)
Apple was falling when steve was still around.
8. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
It's time the fruit falls from the tree and heads down south to root
4. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Gives too much credit to Jobs, IMO. Jobs was a great marketing genius and showman, but not in the same caliber as Edison and Picasso. Steve surrounded himself with talented people and got a lot of credit for their hard work, showmen often do that. He helped deliver a hit so how people will remember him will always be biased from that.
16. E.N. (Posts: 2239; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Agreed! If Steve Jobs was CEO, I wonder if we'd even have 4 inch screens, the UI changes of iOS 7, etc. probably not
25. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
4" screens, maybe. iPad Mini, probably not. iOS 7, likely not, Jobs was too much into skeumorphism for that to ever happen. They still need something new though.
47. DoctorWho (Posts: 6; Member since: 15 Aug 2008)
I agree that he was a great marketing genius and a showman, but that's not the entirely of it. Steve was great at taking RISKS and then marketing the hell out of them. Virtually all of their big "innovations" were risks at the time they were launched. Some worked well, some didn't. His vision and loyalty among his consumers were paramount.
Apple is lacking that now, and I'm not sure they'll ever recover from the loss of Jobs. He is missed in the industry.
48. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
I don't remember the exact quote but during an interview he was asked what the next big thing was. His response was he didn't know, but he'd know it if he saw it. He had that ability to see a diamond in the rough and know how to polish it.
And yeah, Tim doesn't have that.
5. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 850; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
I see lots of hate, but I have to ask: If Apple is "failing," and they are such an eyesore on the tech landscape, why do they keep making money and who has defined a tech category since the iPod debuted? Samsung? Lots of money, but nothing class defining. HTC? No, just no. Nokia and Motorola? Thanks for kicking off the cellphone game, but what have you done lately, besides push camera tech on Nokia's part? Microsoft? Always a day late, and billions short. Google? The jury is out on Glass, but thanks for buying Android and making the bane of 90s computing (ads) ubiquitous. Have I left anyone out? If so, I think we know the answer to "what have they done?".
13. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
So your point is only valid for this point in time. To completely take credit away from Nokia because of the condition they are currently in is really a biased point of view towards what they've done for the tech community. I guess we'll forget BB too, after all, enterprise security isn't important and certainly not popular so we'll just forget that ever happened. We're only talking about this year, so I probably shouldn't have even brought those up because who needs history, right?
Once upon a time Nokia and BB didn't think they'd ever be on the brink of being sold. Hopefully that doesn't happen for either of them. Can the same happen to Apple? Anything is possible and never forget, it was an MP3 player that saved Apple. Without the iPod, there'd likely be no iPhone or iPad. Nothing is permanent and any company can fall.
24. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 850; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
I credited Nokia. Without them and Moto, we have nothing. However, they haven't done anything lately, except advance camera tech and use the same old iPod Nano design on their phones.
31. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5605; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Larry likes being in the news. Kinda like ole Don Trump. They are both taken with promoting themselves.
9. scsa852k (Posts: 281; Member since: 16 Oct 2012)
I don't think Apple will 'fail'.
The loyal Apple users are pretty stubborn for change.
They won't dominate smartphone market ever again, but I think they'll linger on as a distant second.
14. 1113douglas (Posts: 189; Member since: 04 Jul 2013)
i agree. apple is in danger unless they invent something new and popular before anyone else.
46. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6241; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
all Apple do now and days is patent, set their patent aside till someone makes something they think they invented like NFC, THEN SUE them for millions and/OR BAN THE PRODUCT from their competition
15. shamataa (Posts: 202; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
Oh we all know know it. Apple is just to dumb to realize that. Listen to the man.
18. darkkjedii (Posts: 10528; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Apples falling up. Their best is yet to come.
23. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Not sure. Apple's biggest problem is self generated. For the release of each new item, it's understandable to make the scene a media spectacle. For the second, third, etc... iteration, they've made the same spectacle with how products are revealed. Over time the expectations are overwhelming, something even they can't live up to.
Is a watch going to generate as much excitement as the iPhone and iPad did when they were rolled out? I don't think so. Plastic iPhone? Doubt it. Apple needs to do what they've always done best, find something most people will need/want but not many know about, refine it and get it out the door before the competition. The iPhone and iPad were examples of that but other than a plastic phone and delayed watch, there's been nothing. While nothing was great when Jobs was in charge, since Cook has taken the CEO position, most everything is known ahead of time so 'nothing' isn't reassuring.
Expectations for Apple's next big thing are probably at their highest, from the consumers all the way to the share holders. They have a monumental task ahead of them, Tim better have something exceptional or many will label them "same old same old."
26. networkdood (Posts: 6261; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Sorry, DJ, but no, and the only reason that they can keep creating the next I product with minimal changes is because of their loyal and brainwashed following. Apple is nothing special to the rest of the world and only doing well in the states.
19. suneeboy (Posts: 154; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
The sky isn't falling, but Apple needs a "new" product. The iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the Mac Book Air were all revolutionary devices. They help describe the thing we are in.
Apple needs another big hit. A larger screen on an iPhone or an iWatch won't do it. They need a trend setting device.
21. suneeboy (Posts: 154; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
generation we are in* (not thing we are in)
22. Edmund (Posts: 654; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
I think he should be more concerned about the failure that is java
28. networkdood (Posts: 6261; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Honestly, Apple is never going to dominate again in the smartphone business. They still sell overpriced Macs to a good following of people, so they should just keep doing what they do with the iPhone, and not try to copy anyone else. In America, people want a quality feeling phone that is 'easy' to use. Soi what if sales suck outside the U.S.? They have a 40% market share with product that has marginal yearly upgrades. Their iTunes sells plenty of stuff. They makes loads of money on their warranty program. What they should do is continue to sell 3 versions of the iPhone - 99 cents, 99.00, and 199.99. However, on the 199.99 version, make it 32GB, or lower its price to 149.99. Also, stop diluting the product and have it available only at apple stores, websites, or at major carriers' stores and websites. They should not worry about the competition and carve their own niche in the marketplace.
29. networkdood (Posts: 6261; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Also, Apple commercials for iPads and iPhones are not very appealing. Samsung uses their commercials to show off what Iproducts cannot do. So, Apple should show off features in their commercials that show ,maybe, what BB or WP8 cannot do. I would advise doing the same when comparing itself to high end Android phones, but...lol, well, we know that will not happen.
45. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6241; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
That's what I called a SMART MARKTING compaing from samsung. and most of it is TRUE
49. Jack1192 (Posts: 35; Member since: 30 Mar 2013)
Something similar to the Mac vs PC ad campaign would be nice.
33. cncrim (Posts: 478; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
I dont think what know what he talking about, Steve took all the credit for behind close door. And Apple team that do the innovation is still there, science require a lot time and patience, and many got none. 7 to 10 years for one revolutionary product and Apple only just hit that beginning margin.
34. scott5626 (Posts: 49; Member since: 01 Sep 2009)
When the lines again for the new iPhone form days in advance, please explain how they are washed up and failing then. You know they will sell a boatload. When has anyone camped out days in advance for an Android? Apple has loyal fans and not all are stupid and brainwashed. Apples products work great, Androids are improving all the time but their still not to the level of the iPhone YET. I think Android will surpass Apple eventually in functionally unless Apple gets some insane motivation.
41. networkdood (Posts: 6261; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
What lines? Seriously, compared to when the first iPhone was released, the lines are nothing now.
44. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Hard to not equate waiting in lines for days and not being stupid and brainwashed, especially when you can get the phone later that day or within a few days. Only the loyal and brainwashed stand in those lines, people with common sense don't sacrifice their time for a phone.
And Apple has more functionality than Android? Apple is just now getting real multitasking, quick on/off functionality, and other features soon to be released in the upcoming iOS7. Put that together with your waiting in line comment and it's clear you aren't really looking at this clearly.
35. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 425; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)
What do palm pre,blackberry, and apple have in common? Lack innovation.... 4glte NFC. Gestures customize ui
36. Jklaz (Posts: 124; Member since: 01 Jul 2013)
The cult like following of Apple is crazy in the states.. Everyone loves them. But if you have used a android running on JB or higher maybe even ICS its impossible to use an iPhone. The features of android outweigh iOS so much and project butter on JB made it so smooth.. I don't understand iPhone users sometimes. Yes it'd built nice. But in all honesty the screens are too small, not high enough resolution, no removable memory, and little square blocks on the screen. Why are they popular
42. networkdood (Posts: 6261; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
The resolution, PPI, is good on an iPhone five, but, yes, screen is small. Removable memory may be slowly going away, as well as removable batteries, but I hope not. They are popular because at the time it first came out, it was loads easier to use and setup than a Windows 6.xx, BB, or palm phone. But, since 2010, that has not been true. Apple develops a loyal, cult-like following...just look at their Macs. Also, its best product is an iPod as my kids love them.
37. kanagadeepan (Posts: 639; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Their beginning of END started when they started using lawsuits against competition (even during Job's time).
If they are still believing that suing is the best way to victory, then their end is very near... They have no other way than innovating to be in top spot for long...
38. Trex95 (Posts: 543; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
Hater gona hate. Android without Samsung and Apple it's nothing
43. networkdood (Posts: 6261; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Typical response, your first sentence. Apple, for all of its arrogance, deserves the criticism. Android would be just fine with what Google is doing with Nexus, but Samsung has brought the OS front and center to the average consumer.
39. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2479; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Apple is very rude for their patents and law suits. Steve Jobs was a great man and his life inspires many, he brought Apple to a truly innovative level but after that just patents and law suits from Apple and nothing innovative. I like Apple products but I can't afford them and hence hate Apple.
Hey I saw TROLL, he's back.
40. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
One Patent Troll talking about another Patent Troll.