LTE scoreboard reads Verizon: 258, AT&T: 39
0. phoneArena 31 May 2012, 12:04 posted on
AT&T turns its LTE switch on in Cleveland on Thursday bringing to 39 the number of markets that the carrier is offering its fastest service to; Verizon's head start has allowed Big Red to swamp the competition with 258 LTE markets served now, growing to 400 by year's end...
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2. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I used to be a huge Verizon supporter but after recently moving into an area supposedly "completely covered" by 3G and supposedly "light coverage" of LTE only to find that I can barely squeeze a single bar of 3G while standing on a 50 foot ladder holding my phone on an inspector gadget-like arm extension an additional 50 feet above my head...
I call BS. Their coverage map is a flat out lie. f**k 'em.
5. omarc26 (Posts: 357; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
@iamcc same here and i live in los angeles i had both verizon and now currently have at&t and i had better signal on att inside buildings including my loft in dwtwn LA were with verizon i always had 1 little bar and more than half of my calls were dropped and in many other buildings and high rise buildings and elevators and stores , on at&t i now have full bars in my loft on my galaxy note and in all those places i mentioned above i also have better signal. When i had verizon i had the droid razr which supposevly has great antennas aod still in those places i always had low signal and dropped calls and i wpuld walk outside and bam full bars and no dropped callz but everytime i post this on here cuz i have before saying how i had better service on at&t i gets lots of thumbs down im pretty sure its all the verizon fanboys thumbing me down. And over here in LA att is better cuz i aint the only one switching to att and dumping verizon i KNOW lots of people doing that from work, family members and friends and all had said they saw a differwnce in service and they more happy im sure verizon works great in other places but not in LA they need to do something about it.
8. networkdood (Posts: 6306; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I agree - I am a customer of both companies and my are gets HSPA+ not VZW 4G - when I have gone to supposed 4G areas, I either get nothing or it is slow still.
12. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
do you know how small you are in comparison to these coverage maps? pretty damn small pal so sometimes you might slip into someplace where another carrier has better coverage but that's not going to be very often.
14. omarc26 (Posts: 357; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
well not really at&t has me covered were i go to Puerto rico verizon doesnt even exist in PR it roams just like if u took a verizon phone to mexico ikno cuz my brother still has verizon and it roams in PR with at&t which literally covers the whole island i dnt have to worry about roaming charges. Same thing in the US Virgin islands verizon roams att doesnt cuz att has coverage there . And in cali everywere i gone i had service san diego, san fran, sacramento, and in vegas, NY etc NOT once did i have a problem with att coverage same goes with my brother on verizon with the exception in PR were he bought an at&t go phone at a wlamart in PR Cuz he gave up using his veizon iphone 4s it only worked to call data services didnt work at all i would understand why cuz theres no verizon inPR u dnt see 1 verizon store over there were as u see an att stre in every shopping center same with the usvi . So yes i agree with what u said that there are places were one carrier offers coverage were another doesnt att wins in the caribean and well in the states i had the same coverage with both with the exception that verizon didnt work were i live everywere else it was kinda the same .
16. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Ummm I don't understand what me being "small" in relation to the coverage map has to do with this but, OK.
I'm not complaining that ATT has better service. My point is that if you put my EXACT address into VZW coverage map it shows me with perfect 3g and extended LTE. I can barely make a PHONE CALL standing outside.
My point is that they are falsely advertising better coverage than they are providing. And its true.
18. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
xD what i'm saying is the coverage maps aren't pin point accurate. it's not necessarily them lying about the coverage.
19. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Okay I totally agree with that. I guess its partly just me being annoyed.
I would understand if I was on the edge of the coverage area or something but I live in a very "urban" area in CT and there is no excuse for having a black hole in your service that is roughly half a mile wide.
3. Danalvi1981 (Posts: 47; Member since: 02 Jun 2010)
Well Verizon had a head start on all the others with 4G Lte. But every other company will catch up!!!!
4. theoak (Posts: 320; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
It is a huge lead though. One reason why I purchased the Verizon version of the new iPad is due to the fact that I have LTE in my area now. It will be who knows how long before AT&T lights up LTE where I live. I have and can enjoy LTE now - and its great!
Folks out there may be thinking the same. I can switch to Verizon and have LTE now.
9. networkdood (Posts: 6306; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
dude, you over look the fact that HSPA+ is practically everywhere now....just as fast as VZW 4G, and faster sometimes...
11. sgtdisturbed47 (Posts: 180; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Never heard of GAPS+ hitting 20 Mbps, like what I've seen here on LTE, and I'm in a rural market.
29. bigdawg23 (Posts: 388; Member since: 25 May 2011)
The best I have down that I have experienced HSPA+ is 14Mbps. I have AT&T and like the ability of rolling from LTE to HSPA+ instead of LTE to Rev A 3G on VZW. VZW my have LTE in many more markets but the footprint is small. My work just supplied me with a VZW MiFi 4510 Hotspot and most of the time it is only slightly above my HTC Vivid on speed test on download. However, LTE takes the cake on upload.
33. christony1120 (Posts: 65; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
dude your a f**ken idiot for saying hspa+ gets roughly the same speeds as lte and sometimes more........hspa+ can barely reach 5 mbps most 8, however lte get about 15-20 mbps 8 prob. being the least ..... like i said before your a dumbass
36. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
HSPA+ can be as fast as LTE in some circumstances. Granted, at&t's HSPA+ maxxes at 28.8 Mbps, and their LTE goes up to 60, but T-Mobile's HSPA+ goes up to 42 Mbps, almost as high. To that end, it has been proven repeatedly that HSPA+ excels in speed and consistency, especially when there is a drop off from LTE, to whit, T-Mobile places in the top 3 (with AT&T and Verizon) for network speed, being relatively close overall.
Furthermore, HSPA UMTS and LTE are still in their infancies, with higher theoretical speeds available in coming years, even into triple digits
24. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
vzw might have had a head start but it doesnt mean the others will catch up. non caught up with vzw 3g nor reg talking signal and that has been a decade
6. gameday78 (Posts: 47; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)
This is my concern, market launch... Verizon can turn a tower on in a city and call it a market launch. When Att launches a market they turn EVERY tower on and call it a launch. I live near Harrisburg, pa and when Verizon launched LTE they turned on 7 towers. Att is planning on launching all 28 sites when they launch LTE. Plus they have over 4000 hspa+ 4G markets...
7. mas11 (Posts: 1032; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Verizon's Lte network is definitely the best in the country. I have 4G Lte even on country roads!
10. RCMizK3w1 (Posts: 15; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Problem AT&T? Verizon is the best network hands down.
13. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
didn't Verizon roll out like half of the number of markets that AT&T has now in total in one roll-out? pathetic AT&T. you guys can say things like "oh, it's okay, HSPA+ is just as good and it's in more places than LTE." because you know, that makes all the sense in the world why AT&T decided to dump so much money into an LTE roll-out which is supposedly only as good as HSPA+ is. xD
17. jamestan23 (Posts: 12; Member since: 31 May 2012)
Speed and efficiency are two different things. I couldn't care less whether my phone runs on LTE or HSPA+...as long as I get high speed performance. Now it's true that HSPA+ has comparable speeds in some areas, but LTE is better for the carriers. Sure it costs a ton to build out and retrofit existing cell sites with LTE and only get a small bump in speeds short term. But long term, it costs them a lot less to run an LTE network and you can run a lot more data and customers per channel than you can on the traditional 3G networks. There's not as much benefit to the customers as there is for the carrier. Otherwise I consider both technologies fast enough for the needs of today.
20. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, that's true so you'd think AT&T would take rolling out their LTE Network a little more seriously.
37. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Considering how many billions of dollars, zoning laws, materials, and effort it takes to build a new network, their pace is above par. Verizon was building their LTE for years before it was announced, they just hadn't flipped the switch or had phones that were LTE capable. They have a head start, and LTE is going to be essentially even across the board, regardless of carrier, just depending on saturation and optimizations
15. Ivan6479 (Posts: 244; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
VZW may have more places that offer LTE, but as a past article showed by PA, AT&T offers the best overall performance/speed and I believe T-Mobile came in second.
21. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Verizon & AT&T's networks are the exact same thing it's just one has more users dipping into their LTE Pipelines where as the other does not. as far as HSPA+ 42mbps it's comparable at best to any LTE network.
22. doubleD (Posts: 78; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)
AT&T's marketing said the same thing about their 3G too. The problem is, it doesn't matter how fast it is if it's not widely available. AT&T still doesn't have 3G where I live. This may be because I live in a very rural area, however, I've had 3G with Verizon now here for years.
23. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
How does Att get away with there lies in the comercials then all there new comercials claim they have more coverage with lte then vzw. It seems they are doing with there comercials with what they teach there sales reps. I dont know if its all ATT sores but if you call any in mid south jersey then claim there plans all have unlimited data then ones you say please explain they tell you its two gigs on there network and unlimited on wifi therefor you have unlimited data. I told them they should stop saying that cause it is a flat out lie and they said they go to corporate trainings and are taught to say it that way since most people dont ask they hear unlimited data gimmie gimmie
25. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
they actually say they have more 4G coverage than Verizon which i guess they do with LTE & HSPA+ combined but the best verall 4G experience is going to be with Verizon.
26. JGuinan007 (Posts: 634; Member since: 19 May 2011)
So when is AT&T 4g LTE comming to Philadelphia?
27. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Damm it Malaysia is only gonna have LTE at the end of the year
Btw I think AT&T LTE is faster than verizon's
34. christony1120 (Posts: 65; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
that's because AT&T's Lte has only been out for a couple of months now and doesn't have as many users using as in VZW. I mean it's pretty logical that by the time AT&T has as many markets as VZW has now their lte speeds are going to be a lot slower..... so don't keep your hopes up for AT&T
28. itzmando (Posts: 114; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
For those who live in 4G metropolitan cities like Los Angeles. Everytime I head to downtown L.A. or Santa Monica areas I get 3-4 bars on LTE on my GNex.
I have never received 1 single bar on my LTE phone, same goes for both my mom and sister's Stratosphere's they get 4-5 bars of LTE consistently. I have gone through building and walked that area in Downtown so not sure how someone can get such a low reception.
Los Angeles LTE for VZW is much faster than San Diego's LTE coverage for the same carrier, I will give ya'll that there is a difference in speed between LTE and HSPA+, but I could care less who's is faster, i just want pages to load faster as advertised and they do. :)
Sadly, I patiently wait for LTE coverage to be extended to the Ventura County area so I wouldn't have to deal with 3G speeds.
30. WirelessNewIdea (Posts: 1; Member since: 31 May 2012)
The thing with any service that we all should be aware about is nobody has 100% coverage. Be nice but its not possible. LTE is faster than HSPA+. VZW just like any smart carrier limits the amount of bandwith that we use. 4G could be called 6G with the full bandwith opened up. Most people do not know that all carriers could allow faster speeds. The government and certain companies get first dibs on the network. When you try to connect sometimes, certain request are prioritized over other request. A few years ago, TMo and Att were not advertising 4G, but since they were late to the table, they are calling there 3G networks 4G. Pretty sad, that early adopters of there 3G networks, and there faux 4G networks were told they had 4G, and there phones would not be compatible with the LTE network. I give TMo props for opening up their HSPA+ Network to faster speeds to try to at least keep up. It is fast, but they throttle you. Kinda sad to pay for something only to be throttled to 2g speeds. I have great VZW service where I live, I have bad Sprint Service where I live. Att I wouldn't consider just based on bad experience I had with them when they were Cingular. The average person doesn't notice the speed difference between LTE and 3G. Unless you use a ton of data on your phone and are constantly surfing on your phone, you won't need a 4G phone.
Voyager Wireless just launched, it is on the Sprint Network, but for $39 for Unlimited Data Talk, Text......... I may just become a VoyagerSprint customer! I can handle a coverage drop here and there for that low of a price!
35. hitechredneck (Posts: 80; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
and thats just it at&t just flipped a switch interesting. Do you all possibly think that at&t is going to let verizon get one over on them. Come on now at&t has been around since the beginning of telecommunication. Heck some of the technology we use everyday at&t invented it. Secondly if at&t didn't have to get rid of the seven baby bells there would be no verizon. Lastly come on now we know verizon and at&t run a duopoly look at their landlines verizon or at&t thats it I know there's voip but when the power goes out you got got your cell or a landline. At&t willl catch up and truly they have the best coverage there not second for nothing or number 12 in biggest company in the us verizon number 15, but at&t is the 30th largest in the world and the top 50 biggest money makers in the us verizon is not. So I take this with a grain of salt for now. Looks like everything is going to get interesting in the next year.
38. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6675; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
AT&T need to spend their money on LIGHTING UP MORE LTE IN CITIES people don't have yet instead of trying to buy T-MOBILE even though it already FAIL
39. Forsaken77 (Posts: 552; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
Here on long island, NY, there is AT&T HSPA+ and Verizon LTE. On mobilespeedtest.com it constantly says that AT&T is the fastest in my area, Tmobile is 2nd, Verizon 3rd and Sprint is last. It compares all the speed tests ran in that area. So these are all real world speed checks and VZW is coming in 3rd. not to good for an LTE network when both HSPA+ networks are spanking you.
40. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well that's funny because i used the same site here in Apopka, FL AT&T & Verizon beat T-Mobile by a pretty good margin so it's pretty likely that the average was for both of their LTE networks. we all know AT&T's LTE Network is currently a little faster, we all know why and we all know it's going to be temporary, it's no big deal.