L.A. School District stops free Apple iPad program after students hack through security feature
0. phoneArena 26 Sep 2013, 11:40 posted on
The L.A. School District has halted a program that planned on distributing free Apple iPads to all 640,000 students in the district by next year; apparently, some of the students attending Theodore Roosevelt High School had hacked their iPad within a week, allowing them to surf the web. It was this security concern that forced the School District to halt the program...
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1. Sauce (unregistered)
Put any tablet in the wrong hands at the wrong school and you're just giving them a tablet for fun. Put any tablet in the right hands at the proper school and the students will maximize the benefit they get from receiving these, whatever it may be/intended for.
3. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
Be it an iPad or any other tablet you're just asking for trouble when giving them to students. They WILL find a way to hack and jailbreak stuff. Some will utilize it properly, but never the majority that would justify these expensive programs.
31. Sauce (unregistered)
You are not seeing my point, but okay.
51. maysider (Posts: 38; Member since: 11 Aug 2013)
No, iPad (iOS) has the most vulnerable system in the world and that's proved again, just search:
"iPhone is most vulnerable, least secure smartphone"
Only a limited person is able to buy such a device for work
But in the USA you can legally read everyone's communication so no wonder
6. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
You statement reminds me Apple's: "You're holding it wrong!".
The fact that kids can bypass security on the iPad or any other modern devices, just proves that they are creative and smart kids and I don't see anything wrong with that. If security is weak it is your problem, don't blame the kids, just increase security level instead of blaming other because of your own flaws!
15. saurik (Posts: 86; Member since: 13 May 2013)
The security hole is in the school's software, it's not Apple's fault
18. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Did I said that it is Apple's fault?
26. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
In current situation, In which way I'm ass?
55. JMartin22 (Posts: 1937; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
He didn't say anything inflammatory. You're the one that's being an "ass" right about now.
67. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Well said and true
Dam right it's Apples fault!
O wait their never wrong!
Always making excuses saying: that's not right or "holding it and using it wrong"
50. downphoenix (Posts: 3155; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
Im surprised that Apple wouldnt be able to do some kind of special software set for this, or do something like Blackberry does where enterprise restrictions can be placed to control the device.
The school district may wanna consider Android. Im sure they can get manufacturers bidding for the opportunity of 650k devices.
2. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I'm not surprised!
Also check this out, here is a list of bugs on iOS 7:
4. nerdylish (Posts: 51; Member since: 13 Apr 2013)
Far far less than the bugs in Android 4.3.
7. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
How old is Android 4.3 and how old is iOS 7 ? Also Android OS has much more features compared to iOS 7 so chance to find a bug is greater.
9. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Dude read he report, many of those are either development bugs or isolated personal issues, most of them not directly related to 4.3 at all
28. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Mmm how am I I'm denial again? I mean I just debunked your so called "source" you should at least read what you are about to post stop embarasing yourself
32. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Here you go, some of your
"4.3 bugs" and what they actually are
11. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)
Android 4.3 was released on 24th July and iOS 7 was released on 18th September. Lol, what a douche!
17. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Sorry, my mistake, I thought that talks goes about 4.2, I was in the rush. And anyway my statement "Android OS has much more features compared to iOS 7 so chance to find a bug is greater." still stands the ground. Also read protozeloz comment #9.
22. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)
Android 4.2 was introduced even earlier! 13 November 2012! LOL, height of douchery!
27. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Android 4.2 was introduced even earlier!"
No read my comment #17 and try to understand it again instead of insulting.
30. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
o be honest iOS was announced on the summer (back with marverics), anyways the "page full of android bugs" are not even 4.3 related bugs many are based on development applications (mainly the new beta android studio) or isolated issues they people post (like my 3G sucks or I can't get how to work my galaxy S4)
Real bug trackers are not on that page...
Also calling someone a douche doesn't make you right
33. Sauce (unregistered)
Exactly. How old is 4.3 and iOS7.
More time to clean stuff up on 4.3, seeing that it's been out for a while.
iOS7 was just released. Coming out of beta doesn't mean it has been cleansed of all unholy evils that will haunt devices with minuscule flaws.
It is reasonable that there are bugs on iOS7, and it is also reasonable that bugs will consistently exist on ANY platform. It's just a matter of execution, which is a different topic as a whole.
63. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
iOS7 was just released and there is already so many bugs and it was exactly my point.
8. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
EH dude, many of those aren't 4.3 bugs some are for android studio (an application) witch is in beta, and development related bugs/suggestions
5. gust3r3u (Posts: 84; Member since: 11 Apr 2013)
ipad with no internet, glad for the kids,hack the sh*t out of it and get your freedom , HEY TEACHER ALL YOU ARE IS JUST ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL
34. Sauce (unregistered)
I'm assuming you are in highschool as well...?
13. Commentator (Posts: 3669; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
35,000 iPads for $30,000,000. By my Evo 4G LTE's calculator's math, that comes to around $857.14 per iPad.
A new iPad costs $499 retail. Where does that extra $350 per unit come in to play in this deal? Does that take into account teacher-training costs, or insurance fees or something? What am I missing here?
Also, wouldn't it be more cost-effective to use iPad Minis?
16. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Probably loaded with text materials and theft tracking software. Just a guess though.
19. Commentator (Posts: 3669; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
That would make sense. Assuming they're full-size iPads though, I still think they'd be better off with Minis. Save a few million in tax-dollars at least.
39. McLTE (Posts: 807; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
The fact that these school districts are shelling out this kind of cash for iProducts just blows me away.
Can you honestly tell me that they couldn't do the same amount of learning on an equavilent pad made by another company? I'm not trying to push a certain OS like Android either.
I mean really.. they could spend less than half for an Android pad (for instance) to net the same experience. Hell, if the learning software wasn't available, the school district could take a fraction of that 15M savings to hire someone to create something for them!
Even worse, I recall hearing about a school district in Iowa that was supplying Mac Airbooks to all their students!
As a parent who pays taxes, and constantly see the school districts begging for money, I'm DISGUSTED by this.
56. JMartin22 (Posts: 1937; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
The education system isn't savvy when it comes with dealing with technology and many of its offerings. They easily could have conducted this program for the fraction of the price and just used a 2013 Nexus 7. Goes to show what the school board knows about using their tax-payer funds properly and efficiently though.
14. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
To date no paper textbook has ever been hacked. Sometimes old techniques just work better. I'm just sayin'.
20. Appoid (Posts: 13; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
Indeed and that's the problem. Making everything dependant on the Internet allows the government and interested parties to manipulate the content. Rewrite history if you will. Take out revolts, and the likes so people will forget a lot... And try searching you won't find it.
24. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Making everything dependant on the Internet allows the government and interested parties to manipulate the content."
With paper textbooks situation the same since government institutions approves which learning sources and material should be used in the school programs and which should not.
36. Sauce (unregistered)
LMAO have you been to college? My schools community runs a friggen anti-book program where they scan and print the living hell out of all the books and give them away to the next students that are going to use the same course.
45. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
4 year degree at Purdue, and the textbooks were massively expensive. Problem with the system is they change them too frequently. I studied electrical engineering, the same books could easily be reused but they insist on changing them every year or two. It's a scam that someone is getting rich from.
46. Sauce (unregistered)
Ah yea I feel ya. There are some classes, if not all, that do the same thing here. It sucks. My anatomy classes haven't changed these past years for some reason though.
A scam indeed.
21. Immolate (Posts: 310; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
Which taxpayers are footing the bill for these iPads? Whoever it is should know that more than 50% of the money they're paying is sticking to someone's hands, and I doubt it's the truck driver. Welcome to real life. If you want an expensive gadget, ask your parents to buy it for you. They are best able to determine if that is the best use of their money.
25. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
As a tax payer, I find schools purchasing the most expensive tablet on the market to be appalling and mismanaging public funds. Most schools that have gone this route have ended up locking down the Ipads anyway defeating any purpose that cheaper alternatives can achieve.. Schools have to quit foolishly spending tax payer funds which raises taxes. If you want to purchase lavish products for yourself on a personal level, that's fine. But leave my tax dollars alone.
35. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
It's all because it's apple. They think expensive=best. I remember we used macs back in middle school. That was in like 2005. Those things were pieces of crap. Only good for browsing and tony hawk 4 wifi play. Always froze up. But anyway i live in Detroit and i found it funny to have a school that claims it has no money and the system saying the same thing but they were buying macs. Wow
37. Sauce (unregistered)
There are many reasons why they choose Apple. There are great Apps that are developed on iOS specifically for the class room. Apps you can't publicly find. Apps that are funded and bought because that's the path they chose. Also, Apple being an American company (despite its production) gives more reason to choose Apple, not only for its build quality and great exalting reputation.
Your personal philosophies and thoughts do not shimmer out of everyone else's PoV and brain. Be more open and educated, young grasshopper.
38. Topcat488 (Posts: 1394; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
Just because you posted first on this article doesn't make you a tech master... He had a personal experience so what give you the right to say that. Sigh? O.0
44. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
I'd ignore him. He ain't much of a tech master to not know that people and businesses alike DO choose apple because they think it's the best. Funny he's telling me to be more open but that seems to be what these businesses and corporation aren't doing when it comes to choosing the proper tech. Yes apple software may do things others can't here and there. But to act as if it's the only choice and to pretend nothing else exist is mental.
52. greathero1 (Posts: 563; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
So how do you know that's what the business and or school district did? Do you know what their selection process and criteria was? No, you are assuming that the businesses and school districts didn't do their homework or they automatically assumed Apple was the best. As if these businesses or schools don't have IT managers who check out the pros and cons of the devices and software before making a decision. You can ignore him all you want but your bluntness doesn't mean your comments are without fault. Kudos to him for calling you out even though I'm in agreement with Slammer 110%.
53. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
Lol if you for one second think it's smart to choose apple just cause its apple think again. Those IT guys you speak of can just as much of an idiot when it comes to software too. Buying a mac to do basic things a windows can do is insane and fanboy logic at best. It's all just media hype silly. Lmao look at nbc nightly news. Funny how it's technically an apple advertisements. Its also funny how the camera just so happens to be behind an apple device. Lol you know what logo is there! Lol face it. People just use apples false hype to assume they're the best and ultimately fail in the end everytime. Like that news app that close down from refusing to open up to android and any other os.
57. greathero1 (Posts: 563; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Um ok but the conspiracy theories are getting a little long on tooth and nail. The IT guys are all idiots who choose Apple over somebody else and your correct about everything? Even though they are all well educated with years of experience working in respective field. You are right in your assessment and everybody else is wrong in their decision or a fan boy? This is some s**t here lol. Good grief my friend!
59. greathero1 (Posts: 563; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Also, I chose the iPad not because it was Apple but because it was the overall superior product. Apps, screen, design and build, software ecosystem, and availability of assessories and add-ons. Contrary to your assumptions, there are many clear reasons for people to choose an Apple product over something else. I dont want a 10 inch tablet with blowed up phone apps. It works the same way that I dont want a tiny 4 inch screen on my cell phone. More people than you know have valid reasons for choosing what they choose.
69. PhoneCritic (Posts: 682; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
Have to stop you there and say no they don't. I work for a firm that does all the network infrastructure for schools in the northeast and south east. Schools do not have IT directors and personnel. The IT director is usally a teacher or administrator that falls into this role because schools do not hire Cisco CCNA, CCNP, CCDP or Microsoft MCP, MCSE because they deem it too expensive to have those professionals. They are in the teaching business and not the IT business yet the jolting irony is that in order to teach they need technology. The person that runs the school IT has no clue about IT and rely on outside vendors -unless they sign contracts with firms like mines- to manage their IT infrastructure. We had the same situation happen in several of our schools. They purchase iPads for millions of dollars only to now be replacing them with chrome books or Android devices, Why? because they found out Apple uses proprietary protocols ( Bonjour) that are not compatible with a Cisco or Microsoft infrastructure (WLC 5508 and 4404 ) security is a nightmare on the ipad since it does not follow the standard of TCP/IP so locking it down is always a crap shoot. Millions of tax payer dollars to waste because they were bamboozled by an Apple rep and did not ask us ( the professionals) about our experiences with iDevices on Cisco and Microsoft networks.
40. McLTE (Posts: 807; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
as I said in an above comment. The school district in this article could have purchased Android pads for half the cost, then hired a developer (for a fraction of the left over 15million) to create whatever learning software they desired.
47. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
There are no good reasons to mismanage tax payer dollars. The educational enterprise is full of great apps that can be accessed across the board. To spend upwards of 820 per tablet vs 400, only to lock them down, is atrocious. I can't think of anything a cheaper tablet can't achieve in the educational area. And what about replacement costs? Repair costs that have to be done through Apple?
The counties scream about money and deficits. Yet, here they are spending 30 million rather than finding lower alternatives. You may like spending money on yourself for what you believe is the best for you. However, do you like paying for other people as well?
54. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
Exactly what i was trying to get at above slammer. When running any kind of enterprise you can't have a personal agenda to what you think you're company should utilize as tools in the environment.