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Kantar’s latest market numbers paint a slightly better picture for Windows Phone, Android looks unstoppable

0. phoneArena 28 Aug 2014, 22:34 posted on

Even when you have similar sets numbers at your disposal, figures are still subject to interpretation....

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 22:42 4

1. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2146; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


If Android continues this way, Google will become lazy. WP and IOS has to step up.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 05:52 3

55. Johnnokia (Posts: 1104; Member since: 27 May 2012)


Have any one noticed that this is the first time in Kantar report where BlackBerry market share is included in the "OTHER" field?

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 08:56

76. sgodsell (Posts: 3885; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Kantar results can never be trusted. They are paid by companies like Microsoft for instance. Here one of Apples largest markets in the world is the US and they have shown it drop to 30%, but IDC painted a different picture. Also kantar data is only showing certain targeted countries only which does not paint the whole picture. Microsoft wants users to see something different and get you off of the declining market share and dwindling sales numbers. When WP only sold 7.4 million devices for the entire quarter, vs 35 million iPhones, vs 255 million Android phones. Let's get people away from seeing only 2.5% of the global market share. Let's show them something else to let them see some faith in or low numbers after 4 years.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 22:42 1

2. phantom_six_man (Posts: 82; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


android is beyond Godlike!!!they should make their OS much more optimize like ios and windows

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 22:44 9

4. wilsong17 (unregistered)


You can make android anything you like

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:03 3

6. ManusImperceptus (Posts: 724; Member since: 10 Jun 2014)


You can make it LOOK like anything you want (although 99 % of users have no clue as to how), but you can't optimize it, at least not in the iOS/WP way...

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:27 13

12. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


"but you can't optimize it"

Google is doing a lot: Butter, Svelte, ART, Volta, etc. The core of Android is getting more and more "optimized" every day.

And then there are many custom ROMs with specialized and optimized kernels.

Overall, Android is by far the most optimizable OS there is.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 06:45 2

58. Liveitup (Posts: 1798; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


No its not Android doesn't run on 512 MB ram.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 08:26 4

69. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


I guess you missed their briefing, it does.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 08:34 2

72. sgodsell (Posts: 3885; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Tell that to all the Android Wear watches that run with KitKat 4.4W. Tell that to a number of other Android devices. It runs fine with only 512mb of ram. Liveitup always lies anyway.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 02:02 1

45. supersume (Posts: 9; Member since: 04 Oct 2013)


HTC Sense 6 is more than optimized. When you use it, it's as fluid as iOS and Windows Phone. I don't know how HTC engineers did that, but hats off to them

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 01:57

44. Venkatramanan (Posts: 316; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)


I think the optimization depends on the OEM Skin. My brother's low end Moto E never lags but my mid range Xperia lags. The RAM usage should be optimized by the OEM.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 22:43 7

3. wilsong17 (unregistered)


With the note 4 android will gain another 40 million

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 22:44 1

5. AlikMalix (Posts: 6284; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


That's it! I'm not going to buy Apple anymore. They are an awesome choice for my needs and I had nothing but great experience with their products and iOS ecosystem. But, since Android is gaining more marketshare, it's clear that iOS is not for me.

But if you think logically, loosing marketshare in today's mobile market is really gaining less than competitor like Android as market continue to grow in numbers (some of you wont understand this, that's ok). One iOS manufacturer contributing to iOS and 100 Android manufacturers contributing to Android and 4-5 manufacturers contributing to Windows: 1. Apple should be loosing more ground, a lot more ground, 2. Windows should be gaining slightly more than apple - as they are. 3. Android is doing great - no matter how you cut it regardless if it's cheap vs expensive.

I'm just hoping this will push Apple - that's the only brand I really care about.

Replies? no trolls, please, something constructive, ok?

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:04 5

7. joey_sfb (Posts: 5991; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Yes please continue to use iOS.

Your money your choices.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:10 4

8. ManusImperceptus (Posts: 724; Member since: 10 Jun 2014)


Your post makes no sense. You like iOS, and say it fulfills all your needs, but you'll switch to Android solely based on market share? Care to explain why?

Myself, I'm a happy WP user, partly because of Nokias grew hardware and partly because of MSs smooth UI and underlying OS. These pros far outweigh the cons of a slight app gap (I say slight because 99 % of my app needs are covered by WP, despite the greater disparity in absolute numbers), and market share plays no role in my choice.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:14 3

9. romeo1 (Posts: 720; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)


I thing you are correct but i also see allot less iphones where i live. Allot of people are choosing samsung/sony/htc.
Im really surprised as i also see allot of people with the z ultra(more than i tought I'd see) but most are using a s5/note3/one/z1/z2 probably because of the bigger screens.
I would really like to see if it will change with the iphone6.

And just cause I'm curious - why do you really care about apple?
I like the sony brand as I've never had any problem with their products and they have great designs and build quality imo.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:15 1

10. ihavenoname (Posts: 1693; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)


I see what you mean. If iOS dropped to let's say 5% at worst, what would they have left? HUGE developer and owner communities, most likely #1-#3 best selling phone model, rising sales and profits and satisfied customers.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:37

16. AlikMalix (Posts: 6284; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Love your replies guys... I started my post with a sarcasm, because if I don't I'll be marked a certain farm animal - and look - no trolls (so far it worked). I was trying to beat the anti-apple rant to the punch.

I'm not switching, ManusImperceptus, I enjoy iOS specially just like you, for productivity I use Apples apps primarily and supplement what they omitted with 3rd party apps.

romeo1: I like what Apple includes in iOS and I appreciate what they omit. For example - Facetime, FindMyFriends, iMessage features, iTunes, AppleMaps seem to be more pleasant to use (just me I guess), I always liked polished UI - Apple does it more consistently, iCloud features work amazing when you got more than one Apple product (they're designed to work together), notifications are incredibly costumizable and so are permissions. No Bloat ever with any device, no anti-virus, no anti-malware to worry about. Suppor - face to face and sofware updates. First to use 3rd party App Store, First to use OS level integrated Personal Assitant, first to move onto 64bit infrastructure without loosing my ecosystem history (that's important), first to use overlay OS in car, These are backbones that make up a smartphone - Apple was first to all of them. Even if they're not first to other conveniences, they hand pick, optimize and make them un-obstructively easy to use - UI just disappears - I've been a web designer in my teen years - that's not easy to do. Their industrial design language is absolutely perfect (so far) - like the items in Oblivion Movie.

None of these things is present in Android, some maybe are, but they're scattered among several devices, but not all in one.

I do appreciate things like S-Pen, and waterproofing the devices, but it does not justify giving up so many great things that make up my experience with iOS. For this i'm a "furry farm animal" and an "iDiot" and "worshiper of Steve Jobs, or w/e". So yeah, you gotta be clever in your posts - it confuses the anti-apple trolls and I get constructive replies like the ones above...

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 00:16 4

23. blazee (Posts: 412; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


You love your experience w ios, good for you. But today you are the troll commenting, attacking android for no reason.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 02:39

50. AlikMalix (Posts: 6284; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Quote one attacking detail on my post?

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 08:28 1

70. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


By mocking your chosen OS as a joke an implying Android leaves it behind.

Through drama.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 11:08 2

77. blazee (Posts: 412; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


Sorry, attacking was a wrong choice of a word but nonetheless you were trolling.

"None of these things is present in android"

Actualky all of the features you mentioned are available on all android straight out of the box aside for maybe "find my friends" but I'm sure there is such app you can DL off of play store.

Yes, apple definitely has an advantage when it comes to updates as they get it in a more timely fashion. But some phones like the nexus or the phone I have (moto x) get the updates soon after release.

More consistent ui? Maybe. But android allows apps to communicate between one another more consistently, making sharing media, photos or anything else EASY and hassle free unlike on iOS. I'd say that makes the experience more consistent.

My phone didn't come with any bloatware.

You don't need anti virus/ malware apps if you only download off google play.

Who cares who implement personal assistant first? Personal assistant app were available to download long before apple bought and integrated siri into its is os. Also google now is more practical to use, quicker in giving you answers, and better in understanding what is being said, than siri is now.

"first to use overlay OS in car" That's part of the backbone that makes up a smartphone?

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 02:03 1

46. Venkatramanan (Posts: 316; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)


You Forget one. Many low ,mid.high end Android / WP Vs. Yearly One or Two Flagship iphones..

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:15 3

11. winter_hat (Posts: 110; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


I'm convinced Android fans are the stupidest tech 'fans' ever birthed. Apple is only in one market. The $500-600+ phone market. In the ONLY MARKET THEY ARE IN, they dominate. Yes, total market share is Androids, but Apple does not care about the no-profit-margin low end phones. It's like telling Rolex that Timex has way more watches than they do.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:32 13

13. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


You obviously never witnessed what happened to Apple after PCs and Windows utterly obliterated the Mac's market share. Steve Jobs had to go crawling to Bill Gates for a loan.

People would like to believe that it is only the high end that matters, but this is far from reality, especially when so many economies around the world are doing poorly.

We don't know what will happen this time around, but putting the very same blinders on that led to troubles in the past, and insisting that the only possible future is some rosy high-end utopia for Apple, well, that is just silly.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:36 3

15. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


History probably won't *completely* repeat itself; Apple has so much actual cash stored up that they could probably survive a hundred years of straight losses. But you are correct that marketshare matters more than this elitist is acting like it does.

posted on 28 Aug 2014, 23:50 4

21. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


Good point. Things are different this time around and we don't know what will happen.

There are many possibilities. It is not completely outside the imagination that Chromebooks storm the low end PC market and a new Linux desktop OS engineered by Google storms the rest of the PC market. If this occurs in conjunction with a successful Android One program, I think all bets are off.

Personally, I see big things in store for Google. And as Google's star ascends, we will see Apple and Microsoft fade. Not to nothing, but to niches that don't matter that much in the grand scheme of things.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 00:36 1

29. winter_hat (Posts: 110; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


Google's star ascend? They do nothing but ads. Everything else is carrot-dangling, that loses money. But it keeps your attention so they can sell more of your information.

posted on 29 Aug 2014, 00:49 2

31. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


"But it keeps your attention so they can sell more of your information."

And you think Apple is not selling your information? Even after they are meeting with insurance companies about "HealthKit" data? Even after Apple launched their own ad business some years ago?

I could go on. But they don't call it a "reality distortion field" for nothing.

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