Juror in Apple v. Samsung patent trial says it was Apple from day one of deliberations
0. phoneArena 25 Aug 2012, 14:39 posted on
Manuel Ilagan, one of the nine jurors whose verdict in favor of Apple has shaken up the Android community, had a few words to say to the media on Saturday; Ilagan disclosed that the jury had some heated arguments before coming to a decision...
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11. RangersK (Posts: 68; Member since: 15 May 2012)
Looks like they didn't give a s**t about the prior art.
12. Aeires (unregistered)
Won't be the same type of trial in the appeals process, Samsung won't make the mistake of not filing papers on time when it goes to retrial. Seriously doubt there will be ridiculous time limits on cross examination either. Next time out of the gate they'll have the experience of what to do and what to ask, should be interesting.
15. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Not sure why and how they goofed up on this. Wasn't the legal team the one that GOOG uses for Patent trials?
52. roscuthiii (Posts: 2224; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
My only guess at this would be that the legal team thought the obviousness of prior art and natural evolutionary product progression based on the technology available would have been, well... for lack of a better term, obvious.
I guess not though. Here we see that yet again, rhetoric and razzle dazzle teamed up with a little bit of smoke n' mirrors is what wins the day.
I suppose we should just all be tickled that patent infringement didn't exist at the time the blade was invented, or the time the wheel was developed. Function determines form. Anyone with a blade will use it to cut, anyone with a wheel will roll it. Gee, I wonder what people would do with a touch screen?
54. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no, these were samsung's laywers. Goog has a lawyer firm that it uses to handle patents back n forth and other communications to help manufacturers, but I dont believe they directly help in the court itself.
13. 14545 (Posts: 1598; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
sooooo, all apple has to prove is that every smartphone on the market has a "flat screen" and a "bezel" for apple to get billions from them too. Even though APPLE MAKES NOTHING. THEY MAKE NO HARDWARE WHATSOEVER. So, yeah, sounds like a just decision. (rollseyes.)
41. Commentator (Posts: 3704; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Whether they produce the hardware themselves or not doesn't matter, that Apple designed it is what matters. This would make perfect sense if you thought about it for 30 seconds...
66. 14545 (Posts: 1598; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Awesome, so when I came up with the design for magnetically adjustable shock, two years before GM, I guess I should be entitled to 1.05 billion. No, I didn't PRODUCE anything, so I shouldn't be entitled to anything. Maybe you should think about it for 30 seconds. Maybe you should ACTUALLY read what is written. Then you would realize that APPLE WON because of a "Flat screen" and "bezel". That's straight from the horses mouth. If that is all it takes to "infringe", then there isn't a smartphone maker out there that is safe now. (IOW, beyond android) As allllllll NEW SMARTPHONES MADE IN THE LAST 5 years have a "FLAT SCREEN AND BEZEL". So I guess HTC, Moto, Nokia, and EVEN RIM(one of the true pioneers of the "smartphone") are all "infringing" on apples patents? Please stop with the fanboyism and learn to look outside your narrow scope. All patents(in general) do is harm innovation. And, as samsung pointed out, this ruling is a HUGE loss for EVERY consumer.
14. ajac09 (Posts: 1481; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
I bet phone arena and gizmodo where both there handing out dollar bills to each juror to.
28. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Gizmodo, sure (especially sam biddle, whose report last night seemed surprisingly professional and not full of his usual pro-apple bias), PA not as much... You have relatively rational folks like Michael H and Victor (and a few others) that balance the remaining ones out.
16. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
If this all goes as it goes there are no innovations where anyone can patent pinch-to-zoom.....it is like a patent of hand-brake in cars.....
Sick from US minds
19. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Apple they are very good at presentation/marketing and psychology. It was easy for them to fight this lawsuit using their skills. The sad thing is that now many Android OEM are at risks.
23. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
All the competition is in risk if there are such rotten companies abusing patent system like Apple and Microsoft
26. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
No system (patent or otehrwise) should be above "Public Interest" in true democracy.
43. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
IMO No Risk in China the largest market for mobile users and India. Apple offcially slid down to 4rth position from 2nd in China. All Risks are in US and allies of US where court judgments can be influenced to be on same path as it happens in US more out of jingoism. Samsung leads in both markets and would continue to do so. What this battle has done is it has projected Samsung as a company which can take on the might of Apple. So not a bad campaign for advertisement if one looks at this from that perspective Apple devices in India subsidised through carrier on 2 yr contract failed to take off. People here hate being tied down to such contracts and they want freedom to switch anytime to any other carrier.
Apple will just play these street side sniper shot games and say they are fighting a thermonuclear war against Android. Bull crap. How much of 1.05 billion was for trade dress? Trade dress crap has nothing to do with Android ... M$ tried to kill LINUX ... did it die? M$ was shouting from rooftop about patent violations in LINUX and it was LINUS who had the guts to say open your source and then we will show you how much you have violated and copied from everywhere ... Google needs to balance the books now ... :)
20. RangersK (Posts: 68; Member since: 15 May 2012)
"It didn't dawn on us [that we agreed that Samsung had infringed] on the first day," Ilagan said. "We were debating heavily, especially about the patents on bounce back and pinch-to-zoom. Apple said they owned patents, but we were debating about the prior art [about the same technology that Samsung said existed before the iPhone debuted]. [Velvin Hogan] was jury foreman. He had experience. He owned patents himself. In the beginning the debate was heated, but it was still civil. Hogan holds patents, so he took us through his experience. After that it was easier. After we debated that first patent -- what was prior art --because we had a hard time believing there was no prior art, that there wasn't something out there before Apple.
"In fact we skipped that one," Ilagan continued, "so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down."
31. RangersK (Posts: 68; Member since: 15 May 2012)
34. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
I can not believe they skipped 100% argument for invalidating the patent....SHOCKING!
76. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
It was me but it was a misstap :) I can not correct that
39. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Not sure why are they justifying things in so much of a detail and saying things like see we did reject some Apple claims. Something's fishy and it's very apparent.
32. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
"...I don't want to live on this planet anymore."
Did these yahoos have big weekend plans or something? Or was the $12/day (or whatever) cutting into their lives too much?
21. Zayuh24 (Posts: 149; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
This is what makes me sick from this court case... Look at all of Samsung's early smartphones that were unsuccessful because of a mediocre OS. That's why they hid their "rectangular shaped devices" until after the iPhone release because they weren't sure if the world was ready for a fully-featured device. Then, how is it at all possible to have a patent on a shape? EVERY SMARTPHONE (besides the Nexus) LOOKS THE SAME! My LG G2X looks a lot like the HTC Incredible because they're both the same rectangular shape and black screen. The majority of Apple's patents are common-sense bull.... If you have to look at it from the facts you are given, yes, Samsung copied a rectangular shape with a touch screen as well as every other carrier around because shapes are generic. Goodbye competition, hello monopoly (until the appeal)
25. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
It's a NEXUS between Apple and M$ which is at play. They want control of entire mobile world. They have collaborated in past and they are doing it now. First target is home ground ...
33. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Not so sure about Microsoft... They currently make more money from Android than Windows Phone. Just sayin'
29. tedkord (Posts: 11912; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
This shows the jurors lack of understanding. His smoking gun didn't exist. There was not a single email that discussed what features to copy. In fact, the only email that even discussed copying specifically said to NOT copy.
The good news is that appeals are coming, and they will likely be decided by a panel of judges who have some understanding of patent law, so a good portion of the verdict will likely be invalidated.
30. SGSatlantis (Posts: 226; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
If it was so obvious from day one that Samsung harmed Apples sales, why the F they kept it going for so long. Also f**k Apple
44. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
how do you harm the sales of a company that cant keep its product in stock from too much demand?
67. SGSatlantis (Posts: 226; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
It turns out that by selling your own phones. It's called competition and Apple doesn't like it.