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Juror in Apple v. Samsung patent trial says it was Apple from day one of deliberations

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Juror in Apple v. Samsung patent trial says it was Apple from day one of deliberations
"We found for Apple because of the evidence they presented. It was clear there was infringement."-Manuel Ilagan, juror
Manuel Ilagan, one of the seven men and two women who sat on the jury for the Apple v. Samsung patent trial, revealed some inside information on what went on in the minds of the jury during the case. Ilagan said that the jury felt from day one of deliberations that Samsung had "harmed" Apple. Still, he did say that there were heated arguments in the jury room while a verdict was being reached. He said that the jury did not rush a decision and that all of the evidence was carefully considered before a verdict was reached.

Of the voluminous amount of evidence, what specifically convinced Ilagan? It seems that the emails that Samsung executives sent to each other asking which of Apple's features they should add to their own devices was a smoking gun in his mind. Also leading to his vote against Samsung was the chart showing what the Korean manufacturer's phones looked like prior to the release of the first Apple iPhone, and what they looked like afterward. The juror also felt that Samsung executives testifying via video link up from Korea were dodging questions.

Ilagan said that this chart showing Samsung phone designs prior to and after the iPhone's launch, weighed heavily in his decision

Ilagan said that this chart showing Samsung phone designs prior to and after the iPhone's launch, weighed heavily in his decision

It took the jury 21 hours to reach the verdict that Samsung infringed on Apple's patents and they awarded the latter slightly north of $1 billion. Apple was not found liable on any counts in the cross-claim, and Samsung was awarded no money. Later next month, the court will hear motions from Apple seeking preliminary injunctions on infringing Samsung models.

Courtroom action also persuaded Ilagan that Apple had not infringed upon Samsung patents. When Samsung argued that Apple had infringed on the Korean tech firm's patents with the baseband chip on the Apple iPhone and the third iteration of the iPad, Apple attorney's pointed out that a contract signed by Samsung and Intel had a clause that prevented Samsung from suing any company Intel sold the chips to. Apple presented receipts showing that it had bought the chips from Intel.
"Once you determine that Samsung violated the patents, it's easy to just go down those different [Samsung] products because it was all the same. Like the trade dress, once you determine Samsung violated the trade dress, the flatscreen with the Bezel...then you go down the products to see if it had a bezel. But we took our time. We didn't rush. We had a debate before we made a decision. Sometimes it was getting heated."-Manuel Ilagan, juror
There was no hometown bias for Apple noted Ilagan, who said that jury foreman Velvin Hogan had patents of his own and helped the jury understand the process. Another juror, a project manager for AT&T, helped compute the damages. Ilagan said that he spoke out about power controls because that is what he worked on as a systems engineer for Western Electronic and as an applications engineer for Stanford Telecom.

source: CNET

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posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:46 22

1. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Can we say jury nullification?

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:51 19

4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"Ilagan said that the jury felt from day one of deliberations that Samsung had "harmed" Apple." Nothing like right out of the gate, coming to the conclusion that Samsung had harmed Apple....

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 03:21 1

83. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


> Nothing like right out of the gate, coming to the conclusion that Samsung had harmed Apple....

Okay, the TRUTH hurts.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 15:29 19

22. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)


Can we say iBiAss?

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 15:39 6

27. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


So, in short, due to Samsung not being able to defend itself using its own phones and prototypes from before the iphone, the jury went against them.

What baloney. They should watch 12 Angry Men (either the Peter Fonda version or the more recent one) and maybe get some critical thinking skills.

Speaking of which, I wonder what the spread was for the jury... 9-0? 5-4? Somewhere in between?

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:12 6

58. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


from what the jury were shown and were allowed to be shown it was clear that apple would lose. its why the appeal case will be interesting as samsung will be finally allowed to show the documents which showed that they were designing phones like the galaxy s before the iphone was announced...

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:46

81. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


What happened in 12 Angry Men was illegal, I think. To my understanding, jurors are supposed to make their decision based on the evidence presented in court, as presented by each case.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 20:07 1

69. SGSatlantis (Posts: 226; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


Lets ask Jeremy Clarkson on his thoughts of the jury and their verdict:
"I would have them all shot,
I would take them outside and execute them in front of their families"

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 00:30 1

75. cdnfreak (Posts: 26; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


I gave this a thumbs up, bot because I think its right but because it's funny and think he likely would have said that.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:48 25

2. androidornothing (Posts: 143; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


This is so messed up i feel sorry for Samsung! Even though i have a GS3 i dont think things are going good for Samsung. However i think Apple should be careful because if Google gets involved then it will be NASTTY for Apple

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 15:23 9

18. Ravail (Posts: 182; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)


Oh yeah... but look at it like this.. Its a War: Apple Vs Android. This is just a battle that Android lost.. Now that Google has stepped in and has control of Motorola patents, Apple better watch the heck out.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 00:02 1

73. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


Wrong. It's Apple vs. Samsung, not Android.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:50 24

3. mukrenol (Posts: 90; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)


BREAKING NEWS!

for the juries excellent services, they all be awarded the new upcoming ipad mini

(wait, it looks like a galaxy tab 7")
(no no, you got it wrong, apple 'invented the 7" too, it's rectangular... don't you know that?)
(oh.. are we stuck with fruit products forever?)
(i believe so... you will soon be fruit wash too... worst than some communist so call brain washing propagandas....)

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 10:26

77. hengnarath (Posts: 14; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


Yes, when the iPad mini is out

-The Galaxy Tab 7'' will be called as the iPad mini by the issheep
-The Apple will bring Galaxy Tab 7'' to court again
-The iJudge will raise these 2 and ask someone [[Can you tell me which one is the iPad mini?]]

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:53 19

5. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Apple from day one. Huh.

That chart only shows the evolution of Samsung phones in 2007. F700 came out before the iPhone did and still that wasn't enough evidence for them. Cool.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:55 21

7. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I thought you're suppose to make a decision at the END of the trial on who's guilty and who isn't, not the BEGINNING.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:59 7

10. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


well obviously apple impressed from the start and samsung could not match them…

i feel like samsung's legal team was not taking this as seriously as they should have-- i mean they ran out of time and were making conference calls from korea? it just seems like if it were that important they should have flown to the US (that is just the impression it might give the jurors)

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 15:21 5

17. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Okay, but you can't just having a decision at the beginning. You have a decision in the beginning affects everything else in the case.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:02 2

57. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


uh well what are the jurors supposed to think? it would be great to have them be objective from start to finish, but the human mind does not work that way-- apple started strong and samsung was unable to overturn their evidence

anyways this was one juror who disclosed information-- and I do not think it was right of him to do so

I agree jurors should be objective but everybody with experience in the courtroom knows thats not how things work, and any decent lawyer should be prepared for that… i dont think samsung's team was as flashy or prepared as apple's

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:19 1

59. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


well from what the jurors saw they had no choice but to agree with apple...samsung due to there own fault did not file necessary documents in time which could have helpd them ie the leaked documents which showed touchscreen only devices with a single home button being design by samsung before the iphone was announced...i hnonestly believe if these documents were shown in this case the results may have been different . not saying samsung would have won but damages may have been much smaller
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-apple-trial-leak-release-evidence-104815/

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:24 3

60. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


if they thought samsung was guilty from day 1, then there was no impartial jury. you are supposed to believe the defendant is innocent until all evidence and counter evidence is given, then make your mind.. not make up your mind and then watch the proceedings.

Mistrial.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:35 1

61. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


it was not a mistrial.. he said "felt" not "was," which means they were not decided from day one…

this juror was clearly an idiot for disclosing court proceedings like this… but it is human nature to side with the choice that is more compelling from the beginning

this is just some idiot trying to get his moment of fame… who knows if what he said is even verified

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:46 1

65. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


agree but as humans its hard not to sometimes make a decision even if it is at a subconcious level...apple argued there side well where as samsung seemed very disorganised

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:36 1

62. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


i agree.. and with all the flash of the apple lawyers (the pulling out phones at the end for example) the samsung team needed to be stronger

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:44 1

64. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


agree samsung lawyers seemed disorganised

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 00:05

74. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


In short, the jurors were so dumbstruck with Apple's lawyers and forgot to use their common sense.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:32 1

80. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


The decision they said was made day 1 of DELIBERATIONS. Feel free to look at a dictionary if you don't understand what a word means.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:54 17

6. 1ceTr0n (Posts: 549; Member since: 20 May 2012)


Apple, the biggest and whiniest corporation in history of mankind. Like the wussy little school boy that narcs on everyone when he feels he gets picked on.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:57 9

8. FrostyDanny (Posts: 90; Member since: 15 Jul 2012)


While I do feel Samsung at first copied the IPhone but it changed over time tk thier own product they just usied as inspiration thats what cmpetion does and leads do innovation aka the Galaxy S3. I don't think it took away from the sales and Apple is just trying to destroy the competion now that the Galaxy S3 is the ish phone. Apple is only gaining more money and hurting their OWN consumers and competetors. They cant accuse Samsung when they havnt done anything innovative in the last 3 years with the same IPhone. I really do hope apple gets a taste of thier own much deserved bulls**t back from Google/Motorolla. I jusg hope Samsung recovers from this embarssing trial and me as a consumer doesn't get affected causes I love my Galaxy S3 and the android operating system.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:58 4

9. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Why this "explanation"through press ... is it a issue of "guilty conscience pricks the mind" or Apple is just trying to be a lord of Torts?

It had to be Apple from Day 1 ... that's because jingoism prevalied over natural justice and this is not the first time that it is happening.

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