Judge in U.K. says HTC doesn't infringe on Apple patents, calls three Apple patents invalid
0. phoneArena 04 Jul 2012, 12:08 posted on
It's becoming increasingly apparent that one court's infringement is another court's non-event; in the U.K., Judge Christopher Floyd ruled that HTC did not infringe on four Apple patents, saying that three of the patents were invalid...
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95. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)
actually, i wouldn't blame Koh for this. She had ruled agaisnt Apple but she was asked by her bosses to "reconsider".
12. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
very good news.... take that i?rap.
15. jove39 (Posts: 1252; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Judge Lucy should talk to british counterpart :)
16. techman01 (Posts: 22; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Im glad that apple didnt win this one there are lossing the smartphone battle based on recent chart i would give a link but i dont remember the site but feel free to look it up and you will see but back to the lawsuits these patents should have not have been granted in the first place there there to only help apple but in the end android will win and im not a fandroid or a troll i just think this patents are pretty stupid htc didnt copy neither did samsung do u notice apple sueing the low competition no they dont do they copy patents yes see what apple is doing trying to elimenate competition so they will win the competition but in the end they wont win because it makes them look like the cant coop with competion sad apple very sad and i was planing on buying the iphone 5 but it look like im getting a galaxy s3 or the next nexus phone
17. omacmagics (Posts: 42; Member since: 27 Dec 2011)
This rotten Apple is making me sick, rotten apples should never be eaten.
18. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
A patent for "slide to unlock" has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. Not one person is going to buy a phone so they can slide to unlock the lock screen lol. Just ridiculous.....
19. techman01 (Posts: 22; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
i agree thats a stupid patent too i mean really. A kid goes to school guys guess what. what i can slide to unlock my phone. kid who cares how you unlock the phone. see who cares about all this patent stuff any way
72. Gsmalltheway (Posts: 139; Member since: 15 Aug 2009)
True, Also there must be a hefty fine for taking up the courts time with these stupid law suits. Make Apple pay each time they lose one and they will think more carefully about all these stupid patent nonsense
25. Rocksteady (Posts: 198; Member since: 29 Apr 2012)
Exactly,,, totally agree with you.
I read once somewhere in the comments on this website that even a tap is considered a zero-length slide from apple's point of view.
To say it loud and clear. Apple wants to be the only one that manufactures touch phones. AND APPLE, THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.
20. willard12 (Posts: 706; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
"competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours." So, slide to unlock was originally created by Apple?
21. techman01 (Posts: 22; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
yes you are right but should you start to try to ban smartphones like the galaxy nexus or htc no you should. you should try to make a deal and sort stuff out like adults do.
23. tedkord (Posts: 4311; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Slide to unlock was created by Neonode, stolen by Apple.
24. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5542; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
There isn't much you can say when you lose a lawsuit. Apple seems to use the line about competitors stealing their technology whenever they are in a tight spot ethically. They shouldn't have filed the lawsuit in the first place.
Props to HTC! The best way to give Apple the middle-fingered wave is to buy their competitors products. If the EVO 4G LTE were available on VZW, I would own one by now.
39. Pancholo (Posts: 371; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
I think it is kind of ironic to mention that Apple uses their "they are stealing our technology/ideas" card "whenever they are in a tight spot ethically". Now, is it ethical to point fingers at someone, or even use that line at all? Well, they are a multi-billion-dollars company, after all. They can own - I mean, restructure the social construction that ethics have achieved. Fifty years from now we will all be using turtlenecks and not even know why.
44. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5542; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
You might be wearing a turtle-neck. I don't even own one.
22. metoyou (Posts: 277; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Apple such a cunt and iLucy..err...very iLucy!!
27. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
And you wonder why the British are awesome, they're smart, unlike a certain judge
29. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 618; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Slide to unlock patent to too vague, that would mean any type of sliding to unlock the phone would fall under that patent, which is a bogus claim. That patent should be rendered invalid the world over, sliding your finger on a touchscreen or a stylus is normal and something that all touchscreens utilize. No one taps on the screen as much as they slide, unless you are typing in a password. There are some serious patents that make no sense, the law should strike them down with prejudice and htey cannot be ever invoked again or should be terminated and released as public domain.
34. tedkord (Posts: 4311; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Slide to unlock existed prior to the iPhone, therefore the patent should never have been granted. Hell, patents for gestures should not be granted period.
31. taz89 (Posts: 2010; Member since: 03 May 2011)
judges in the uk actually have a brain its why apple barely bring there fight here
35. MATOZ (Posts: 71; Member since: 10 Aug 2011)
First Time I saw THUMBs UP!! on all comments! (until now)
For this wonderful news!
36. AnotherOne (Posts: 15; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
37. Pancholo (Posts: 371; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
I'd love to be present at court in one of those cases and see how Apple's lawyers defend something like the "I-*can*-own-everything-that-will-ever-unlock-by-sliding" patent. Kinda makes you wonder why they never sued during previous versions of Android/UI modifications, or why doesn't anybody else sue at all (we can still see a lot of similarities between UIs).
After all, Android's (or any OEM's) current UI, if anything, has relatively more utility and doesn't simply unlock the device - they take you straight to certain applications.
My solution to slide-to-unlock for Android: Remove the default unlock ring and switch it with the pattern unlock. Also, default password/pattern should be O--->O--->O :P
43. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Despite Android being open source and free, HTC and Samsung probably lost more money over it than any other OS. In the meantime, Google reaps all the benefits and hasn't lost a dime! What are they doing to help their OEM friends, seems like nothing. Once Samsug and HTC are nuked, the little boys are next. Step in line LG, Sony, hawei, etc.. Google Android open source and free, not! Only for a limited time to the little boys. Only the death of Apple will it all end.
58. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
so will it be the end of free open source, or will it be the death of Apple?
I'll take the later one any time..
45. mahoganyheart (Posts: 11; Member since: 23 May 2012)
Now that I think about it, if the car manufacturer would act the same way, we would not have much to choose from, and I believe APPLE and all the others should learn from that. Just imagine if the manufacture who started the rear view mirror had patent it? I pity the foul, like Apple.
59. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
If Ford had patented 4-wheel with an engine block and passenger/driver seats, we would all be either driving Model-T now, or 18 wheelers..
96. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)
a rear view mirror would be a patent violation if someone else patented the mirror. Essentially, all mirrors are rear view. :-)
49. BREvenson (Posts: 204; Member since: 17 May 2012)
Good to see Apple's dominance does not stretch across the pond. HTC scored a victory in the UK, and with the way things are going for them, they need every victory they can get. Now if only this Judge Koh could get it through her thick skull...
As for Apple, I get really upset when Apple says things like "Competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours." That's a load of garbage. Everyone knows that Apple's technology was never theirs to begin with; they stole pretty much everything they use to this day and never gave credit for it. It's just that since none of it was patented or protected when they acquired it, no one could stop them at the time. Now that they have the paperwork for all this acquired tech, it doesn't matter anymore. It's a crap shoot, and Apple's rolling all 7's.
60. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
Apple, once again revolutionise the way we patent and sue somebody..
51. Aeires (unregistered)
Likely more over the top, vague patents by Apple will be thrown out as judges start to weigh on the never ending litigations Apple insists on waging. In the end everyone will see Apple didn't have much to begin with and ended with even more.
73. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
this is for you
79. gallitoking (Posts: 4682; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you lose one and you win some.. HTC doesnt bother me.. they are not doing to good.. the EVO is great but Samsung is stealing the thunder and the HTC One series hasn't really done much.. Samsung is the one we need to go after
83. willard12 (Posts: 706; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
So you agree this is about eliminating competition thru litigation more so than stealing IP....such as slide to unlock? And, you also acknowledge Samsung is such a threat with their products that Apple needs to go thermonuclear on them. I agree with you.
85. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Whats with this ...'we' ...stuff? I seen taco post this too.
Is it really THAT serious?
Trolling must be like a drug or something. Just say...no.
89. Zero0 (Posts: 571; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Yes. THIS is the type of attitude that we need. Consumers rooting for companies to sue. Increase their costs and decrease their competition! This is the only way to secure high prices and low quality in a capitalistic society!
Companies are going to win some and lose some, but one side will always lose these patent lawsuits: consumers. Unless you have a lot of Apple stock, there is no reason for you to want Apple to "go after" competition.
97. A.P.P.L.E-R.O.Y.A.L.L.Y (banned) (Posts: 4; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Speaking like APPLE-ROYALLY .....
99. amiaq (Posts: 379; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
So is that it? "Slide to unlock gesture", the technology that Apple patented and fiercely defending? No wonder their iOS became stagnant.
101. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can we borrow some of the UK's judges here in america? Lucy Kohl needs to be replaced with this judge.
104. techman01 (Posts: 22; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
I think apple is doing this because they are losing to android here the website if you need proof.