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Judge allows Motorola to use Steve Jobs' quotes vowing Android's destruction

0. phoneArena 02 Jun 2012, 21:30 posted on

Federal Judge Richard Posner has ruled against Apple, saying that Motorola can use Steve Jobs' violent, anti-Android comments in court; the smartphone patent infringement trial begins later this month and the Judge has made it clear that the jury should not make the case a popularity contest...

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posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:39 13

22. jove39 (Posts: 1278; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


This article has forced me seriously take a look at "Android is stolen product"...per Mr Jobs...which I am not sure why he said! But I'll guess anyway - a) It is a touch operated mobile operating system b) It has multitouch capabilities c) at first somehow it looks like iOS/iPhone and not like LG's Prada (lol).

Origin of multitouch concept goes way back...before Mr. Jobs even had a dream of iPhone/iOS

1. According to Bill Buxton, a multitouch pioneer now at Microsoft Research, the first multitouch screen was developed at Bell Labs in 1984.

2. A 1991 Xerox PARC project called the "Digital Desk" used a projector and camera situated above an ordinary desk to track touches. A multitouch table called the DiamondTouch also used an overhead projector.

3. A 2003 article by researchers at the University of Toronto described a tabletop touchscreen system that included a "flick" gesture to send objects from one user to another across the table.

4. By February 2006, a number of create a suite of multitouch applications that presented in a now-famous TED talk .

5. In 2004, a French firm called Jazzmutant unveiled the Lemur , a music controller many consider the world's first commercial multitouch product.

6. Microsoft says its researchers have worked on multitouch technologies since 2001. Microsoft's Andy Wilson announced Touchlight , a multitouch technology using cameras and a rear projector, in 2004.

7. IBM's Simon , introduced in 1993, is widely regarded as the first touchscreen phone.

8. April 2005 saw the release of the Neonode N1m. While lacking the sophistication of the iPhone, It was one of the few phones of its generation not to have a hardware keypad, relying almost entirely on software buttons for input. It supported swiping gestures in addition to individual taps. And it employed a "slide to unlock" gesture, almost identical to the one the iPhone made famous.

9. FINALLY - LG PRADA

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:42 8

23. jove39 (Posts: 1278; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Source link below - in case someone feel like reading :)

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:49 4

25. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5478; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Again +1 :)

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:48 4

24. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5478; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


+1 for you. :)

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 01:25

28. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


And no one put it all together in a unique and revolutionary way before Apple and Steve Jobs. That's why they own the patents.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 01:43 12

30. jove39 (Posts: 1278; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


LG Prada was significantly better than any earlier attempt...but was not commercial success...no doubt...Apple had huge commercial success/popularity with iPhone...but that doesn't make them inventor of multi-touch technology and in no way give right to call Android a stolen product!

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 01:47

32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple's UI was completely unique and was then copied by android.

I can see why Steve Jobs was upset.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 02:03 7

34. jove39 (Posts: 1278; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Now world knows...LG Prada was first touch screen device and iPhone had similar features...so if you say android copied iOS ui then you should also agree to the fact that iOS copied UI from LG Prada...don't believe me...watch cnet review video from 2007 -http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/lg-ke850-prada-unlocked/4505-6454_7-32316442.html

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 11:56

70. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You have some major issues if you really believe iPhone copied prada. The iPhone was OS far ahead of the prada that it's laughable to even mention them in the same sentence.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 15:02 1

87. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Doesnt matter how far ahead or how much better it was.....copying is copying....according to you.

For the record I dont consider either one copying the other.

But the facts say the LG Prada came out before the iPhone. It won an award before the iPhone was even released. Take it for what its worth...

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 15:25

92. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


iPhone was announced a mont before the prada release.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 18:42

97. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


So...are you saying the Prada copied the iPhone? I think it takes more than a month to design an OS and phone.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 02:11 6

36. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/cellphone_design/dkmb86g_407dmfxq6gk_b.jpg

One of the first blackberries.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/Treo-680-review-1a.jpg

Palm Treo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Operating_system_iphone_5.PNG

iOS.

You know what?

Those all look just like rows of icons to me.

What was so unique about iOS again, other than it being a touchscreen dominant interface?

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 15:26

93. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


What was so unique? Why don't you go back to using a blackberry.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:33 3

51. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


apple's UI is basic as hell and just made to be finger friendly with icons. they didnt invent icons or anything. they just put it together in a different way. they were the first out of the gate with capacitive touch screens, and that was the big kicker, since it works better than pressure screens. if it was just another pressure screen phone, it would not have been a big deal.

they DONT have the patents for most of what they say is theirs.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 12:33

77. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6405; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Android we have multitaks and widgets can custom to change size. how is that copying? why don't you just give it up and stop trolling on Android.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 18:45

98. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Apples UI was unique? The Prada had icons....colorful ones too.

So.....they should sue Android for the icon layout, or icons? Didnt they already try with Samsung....what ever happened to that case? Another case that so many said was trouble for Android....

Maybe its time for ppl to stop betting against Android and just like and use what they like and go on about their business.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:45 2

54. joaolx (Posts: 353; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


"make them inventor of multi-touch technology and in no way give right to call Android a stolen product!"
Nobody said that Android stole the multi-touch. Apple never said that they were the first to create the multi-touch screen. You guys just distort Apple words.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 08:43 2

57. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Just cause you have the parents don't mean you can keep it... Plenty of apple patents have prior art which means that Apple can lose them and will become useless.... Apple have the parents for multi touch but why do you think they are not using? Because they know of they do they will lose it. Patent don't mean much of there is prior art to invalidate it.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 15:09

89. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


So...if one take existing tech and puts it all together....that just dismisses the ones that came before who didnt? Or the tech that was assembled?

Now according to this post....wouldnt the iPhone be considered a copy? Since it put existing tech together in a nice lil package? By your logic...the iPhone is just a better copy of the LG Prada, or Palm phones, Win Mo.

The Prada wasnt as polished as the iPhone. I agree. But I think the Prada deserves ALOT more credit than it gets. Especially from Apple, iPhone fans.

BTW...I dont think Apple owns ALL the patents for ALL the technology they used, use. They do own some, but not all. They added multi touch to capacitive screens and may own that....but I dont think they own the patent for capacitive screens as a whole.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 01:55

33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/android-now-paying-the-price-for-ios-similarities/18253

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 02:10 5

35. jove39 (Posts: 1278; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Read article and noticed...patent thing about slide to unlock...see its been in existence prior to iOS...you are forcing me to say - Apple stole ideas of other people and patented it on their name. carefully read below text (notice year 2005) -

8. April 2005 saw the release of the Neonode N1m. While lacking the sophistication of the iPhone, It was one of the few phones of its generation not to have a hardware keypad, relying almost entirely on software buttons for input. It supported swiping gestures in addition to individual taps. And it employed a "slide to unlock" gesture, almost identical to the one the iPhone made famous.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 03:45 6

44. -box- (Posts: 3784; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


If you're going to post an article link, try to use one that isn't inherently biased. The author on zdnet clearly states he owns two iDevices and recognizes the similarities of the gesture, but crucially does so without mentioning the facts about its origin, nor hypothesizing about how the gesture came to be somewhat universal. Apple didn't invent it, they just happened to put it on a device which eventually sold well, and has been riding the wave of the initial success since, without any significant changes or improvements to the OS itself, which is strongly indicitave that they ran out of new and "innovative" things to put on their devices.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 09:02 4

60. MartyK (Posts: 711; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Taco,

Honestly, I think you need to Google it , or Apple it, the history of technology in cell phone, instead of listen to Apple PR folks, did you know Motorola was making Cell phone since 1973?, in in 2007 LG Prada KE850 with it's advance design and multi-touch screen won "Best Cell phone award",Apple release it's Iphone which looks and act just like the LG Prada; but Apple will NEVER mention this, so instead of listen, do some reseach on the History of Cell phone then you will see how foolish Apple looks and sound.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 11:58

71. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You're a joke to compare the prada to an iPhone.

There's no point in explaining things to illogical fandroids.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 12:36 1

79. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6405; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


MartyK taco doesn't give a damn. and doesn't like Android copying Apple UI. He thinks Apple is better than any other company. He also think that APPLE created the first touch screen that uses on a phone. invented multi-touch. He doesn't know the history of touch screens. And won't admit it.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 09:27 3

62. MartyK (Posts: 711; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


It's really hard to have any discussion with someone who has no knowledge or just plain ignor facts on cell phone's evolution.

What Apple did by gathering peices of other companies ideas and put them together was only a matter of time before anyone would had done the same (peice things together).

Heck, this is what we Android users do all day long (rooting) take bits and pieces of other androids (peice htc-samsung-lg-moto) parts to build custom ROMS.That don't make it Revolutionary, well in my opinion it don't.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 18:49

99. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Exactly.

The ONLY difference the orig iPhone and the Prada and history is marketing, sales, exposure. Yea the iPhone was more polished....but if Apple wouldnt have made an iPhone or made it later....LG Prada woulda replaced it as this great innovation.

IMO it already is a great innovation that doesnt get anough credit.

IF the Prada woulda been pushed more, sold more.....we might all be here talking about LG Fans being in a distortion field...lol.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 18:56

100. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


The Prada was a piece of junk. To compare it to an iPHone shows your blinded by Apple hatred. You're not even being reasonable at all.

You fandroids will never get it. It has nothing to do with marketing. Apple makes a fantastic phone that people love and recommend to each other.

#JesusPhone

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 18:58 1

101. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


u sound scared

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 19:12 1

102. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


If it was a "JesusPhone" then it would have waaaaay more customization and it would make each user's theirs, meaning it wont look exactly like someone elses. Also i think a JesusPhone is would be strong enough to withstand a drop to the ground without shattering. It would also significantly outshine each and every other HIGH END Android Phone in the world right now.

And should not spread hate

And Jesus wasnt that small either. . . .

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 19:20

103. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


well everyone wants an iPhone... I'll let you figure out why...

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 19:39

104. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Yea cuz everybody in the modern world in insane and corrupt and want to escape their religion so they turn to the Apple to sin against God just for some free Chicken McNuggets.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 23:06

106. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I suggest you re read my post....How in the hell did you NOT see me give the iPhone credit???

Talking about blinded by hatred...lol. And...someone who doesnt agree isnt a fanboy. Its called a difference of opinion.

Look in the mirror....iFan. "You fandroids"....lol.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 14:59

86. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I woulda gave you a thumbs up just for the LG Prada....lol.

Amazing post.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 02:26 1

38. anshul0000 (unregistered)


sometimes i feel that all these things are publicity stunts...

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 03:20 1

40. phatride4ever (Posts: 32; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


Grammer nazi.... it's "jobs's"

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 03:25 4

41. Sniggly (Posts: 6964; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Grammar* Nazi.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 03:42 4

43. Mark.J.Linskiy (unregistered)


Ouch..

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:34 2

52. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


nazi'ed the nazi. nice. :)

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:06

46. steelicon (Posts: 309; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


Uh-oh...

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 08:05 3

55. Allen3697 (Posts: 86; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)


Steve Jobs was just bitter. He was a genius, but he was acting like a 2 year old who wasn't getting his way. He's ruined his reputation and people laugh at him now.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 09:40 5

63. MartyK (Posts: 711; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


For the record, real Green-Blood android fan do not hate the Iphone, we like the iphone it's an okay device for people who is getting into the business of pda/smart phone arena; what we are saying is this:

THE IPHONE IS NOT THE BEST PDA/SMART PHONE ON THE MARKET!.

Mr Job is an hypocrit, he stole ideas from other companies from Xerox to Motorla-LG to put this phone together, this is why the Iphone has not advance that much from it's orginal form/factor, Apple has no idea even they beloved Siri was some other company idea that Apple took/brought, ask anyone who has an Iphone 3-3gs or 4..they been having Siri, until Apple took it from them and sold it as an Apple idea for the 4gs.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 09:49 5

64. _PHug_ (Posts: 380; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)


Did Apple invent Linux?

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 10:23 1

66. mercorp (Posts: 968; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


So..destroy android with the lawsuits,apple?
Why not invent a ibomb instead?

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 14:40

83. Sydus1 (Posts: 6; Member since: 03 Jun 2012)


What gets me the most is these companies and their lawsuits. It all boils down to profit which is sad. Instead of it being something that will benifit man, lets block tecnological advancement for personal gain!!!

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 20:22

105. Ravail (Posts: 181; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)


Yeah Android might be a stolen product, but Steve was also pissed off that Android has surpassed Apple and will continue to do so. No, im not downing Apple because they do make a good product, but there are people such as myself who want more than just a basic phone (iphone). Each product is great in its own respect.

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