Judge allows Motorola to use Steve Jobs' quotes vowing Android's destruction
0. phoneArena 02 Jun 2012, 21:30 posted on
Federal Judge Richard Posner has ruled against Apple, saying that Motorola can use Steve Jobs' violent, anti-Android comments in court; the smartphone patent infringement trial begins later this month and the Judge has made it clear that the jury should not make the case a popularity contest...
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2. dickwyn (Posts: 543; Member since: 07 May 2012)
actually i do believe that google has been copying and steve is right on his quote, yea yea just thumb down you android fanboys
3. dickwyn (Posts: 543; Member since: 07 May 2012)
and even if apple lost this case it dosent mean this is wrong it just means.......
73. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5472; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
you're the worst troll next to taco50
8. rcwfox2002 (Posts: 41; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)
You do know Apple written with c# which was stolen right? Android OS is free open source. #fact check
10. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Talking about the facts, two tips:
1) Apple is a company not OS, that's mean it can't be writen in any programing language.
2) iOS wasn't writen in C#.
58. QinEmpire (Posts: 145; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Lol Apple is written in C# ? Lies lies, prove the IQ of fandroid is just as low as a beast.
80. Dr.Phil (Posts: 813; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Well actually, you can see that Apple's iOS5 stole some pretty big features from Android:
Also, Apple just recently patented a stylus device to be used on one of their future devices like the S-Pen. They obviously are seeing that Samsung created a popular device with the Galaxy Note. So, if you look at Apple today, are you really seeing innovation and creativity or just trying to follow along with the rest of the pack? Oh and not to mention that there have been several rumors that the next iPhone would have a 4 inch screen. Where is the Steve Jobs quote that says it's ludicrous to have a screen that big? I guess phone manufacturers that used Android were just out of their minds when they made such big screens, right?
90. SherlockHolmes (Posts: 125; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Htc had this pen technology before Samsung in their Flyer Tablet which was called Scribe Pen !!
4. metoyou (Posts: 277; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Another great reason to dislike Apple and iBj, playing favorites huh? Hat off to judge Posner. Gotta love this guy
59. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
Yes....every one should know that Apple is complete ill an rotten company...how anyone can bear these facts and still buy their products??
81. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5155; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
The latest ruling is a perfect example of why you don't piss off the trial judge.
88. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
really? gotta love this guy? this is the same judge that everyone was criticizing because he "couldnt understand the technology" when apple had an advantage… but now that he upholds the law in motorolas favor (and personally i think this is quite trivial) hes suddenly loved by everyone eh?
5. ardent1 (Posts: 1969; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
That means the Judge is also going acknowledge the view that android stole from Apple. I think that is fair.
74. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5472; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
judge don't know shyt. he gets paid by APPLE to ban Android device just like in every other country. STOP SAYING ANDROID copies from Apple.
95. Forsaken77 (Posts: 542; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
Do you understand that Android DID COPY from Apple? The guy that invented Android used to work for Apple and took ideas that Apple was working with, left Apple, and used them to make Android. THIS IS A FACT! I'm not putting down Google... I own a Galaxy S2 and prefer the Android OS. But facts are facts and you can't pretend it never happened just because you don't like Apple. I personally don't like Apple either, but i recognize the fact that android was born from Apple ideas and that Samsung blatantly copied Apples' designs, down to the shape and placement of ports on the devices.
6. BREvenson (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 May 2012)
I hate to sound insensitive, but Jobs has passed on...and Android is still here.
Being serious, though, I am not trying to say that Jobs' words are vain and senseless, but the fact that he vowed to destroy Android shows he was not willing to accept any competition, especially if they use ideas that Apple either came up with or claims to have come up with.
It's just all part of one big, messy, never-ending battle between Google and Apple, and it's going to just get messier as time goes by.
56. QinEmpire (Posts: 145; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Yeah so true, Steve jobs quote will simply backfire Moto since Android indeed stole things. Anything within Google's control is just stupid.
107. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
you don't mind Apple steals eg status bar and almost all the "new" features since iOS4??
just watch the newest features in iOS....just a form what's in Android many years.....
Apple adds his own maps, Siri (almost unused by buyers) is just an evolution of voice commands, update without PC, over air sync, ...
and the question is "when apple copies widgets?" without them it is still a toy (I know, you dont need that, even 16:9 you hate but love with iPhone 5 :-D )
7. phnrpt (Posts: 13; Member since: 28 May 2012)
US DOJ has already charged Apple for price fixing of the eBook. That’s far not enough. Apple’s role is at least conspiracy with AT&T. Apple also benefits from prevent positive competition with Samsung. The victims are us, people, and the consumers from US. We cannot expect Verizon, Sprint or T mobile to bring AT&T to court for monopoly because that never happened for the last five years. We don’t know why these big three companies allow AT&T the screw around. But we do know that we, the consumers from US are the true victims.
People from Europe, Asia or Africa enjoyed “Samsung galaxy S2” five months earlier than US people did. “Samsung galaxy note” is another three months earlier, even as today, the other big three US carriers still can’t announce for the galaxy note release. All the first four Major carriers in UK are already selling galaxy note.
We, the US consumers are being ignored and discriminated by the arrogant AT&T and Apple Inc. we need US DOJ to protect the US consumers’ rights.
12. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Samsung phones are always released in the US last. Has nothing to do with Apple.
48. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i did the impossible and thumbed you up taco. For once your comment was fair and square and correct.
Apple has nothing to do with the delay from the US getting smartphones. You can blame the carriers for that for always wanting to monkey around with the phones internally and externally. They also put them through their own individual "quality check' process which takes time, and constantly send units back to manufacturers to add more bloatware in. Apple has a contractual deal to get past much of that malarky. Thats one thing that apple does that I wish the others would do. Put the carriers back into place.
72. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5472; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
APPLE ALREADY have ban HTC phones ONE X and EVO LTE which is unfair to us the consumer who spend our hard earn money to buy the phone.
42. -box- (Posts: 3537; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile don't have the DROID line of phones. Should we have them go to court for having one model the other companies don't? T-Mobile had the G1 before other carriers even considered offering an Android phone; should they be taken to court because they jumped at an opportunity for exclusive rights to a product? Verizon was the exclusive carrier of the Blackberry Storm series, should the other carriers have sued them for that? T-Mobile was the first carrier with a Nokia Windows Phone; should people on Verizon and Sprint sue them because they want it? AT&T is currently the exclusive carrier of the Nokia Lumia 900 in the U.S., but it's not a conspiracy, as AT&T is working with Microsoft and Nokia to spread the word about the new product and brand resurgence. As a large carrier, AT&T has the capability (as do the other 3 major carriers) to negotiate with the phone manufacturers to create a certain device with certain capabilities, and, in sharing with the development, cost, distribution, and advertising, makes it their own for either a limited time of indefinitely, which benefits the carrier for offering a unique product its competitors don't have, the OEM for having a dedicated outlet for its product, and the consumer for the OEM and carrier working together to try to improve their experience and loyalty. It's called competition, and it's applicable in almost every facet of our materialistic consumerism-driven ways of life and has grown subconciously into our mentalities. Just as Ford's vehicles are exclusively offering Microsoft Sync, or GMs are the only ones that can come with OnStar factory installed, or when you see a certain brand of food being sold at a sporting event (I think Hunter is the exclusive hot dog sold at Major League Baseball games, for instance), or how you can only get Coca-Cola products at Six Flags theme parks and Live Nation/Ticketmaster venues.
If you don't like that you can't get something somewhere in an easy way, then bite the metaphorical bullet and find the harder or more expensive way of accomplishing your goals. If you wanted an iphone so badly on a different network, then you had the opportunity to buy one without a contract and without a carrier, hack it to unlock it (or buy an international version), then find a GSM carrier that would be compatible for it. If you want to drink Pepsi or Dr. Pepper at Six Flags or at a Live Nation concert, bring in a bottle yourself. If none of those options are worthwhile, then quit complaining and suck it up; life moves on, and there's bound to be something that satisfies your selfish requirements, while, granted, not being exactly what you want. It's a phone/soda/whatever, it's not the end of the world or something that is life-threatening without it. If all else fails, you can try to find a way to change the system or make your own contribution to it instead of just complaining about what is essentially a non-issue
67. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Stop complaining and buy unlocked
69. thedarkside (Posts: 639; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
AT&T also had an exclusive contract with apple to sell the iphone.
9. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Well, i like this judge so far. I don't think there is any reason not to include Jobs's quotes, because they're quite revealing about Apple's motivations for gong after Android manufacturers.
Can't wait for the Motorola lawsuit against Apple to finally go to court here in the US. Apple bit off more than it can chew.
11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Of course you think this is fair lol
15. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I think his personal opinion has no bearing on the facts, however I don't really care.
17. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
So the attitude of the CEO of a company which was largely regarded as an extension of his ego is irrelevant?
39. belovedson (Posts: 821; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
using words like thermonuclear or destroy are not common words used by the american people. its pretty much sn assault and pretty fragrant.
i am pretty sure even some editors and maybe staff from apple asked steve to not quote such expletive bull crap because it will bite him in the arse.
but guess what the fact that steve allowed those types of things to be said in his own book is not only stupid, and reckless.
the man needed some psychological and obvious spiritual help but there's really no excuse for the type of language he was using.
does anyone see where this is headed i can see apple getting into all sorts of trouble. it's unfortunate that some greedy hands and the exploitation of patents was the cause of all this.
you would have thought the stupid patent office or people in charge of patents would have modified it so it cant be exploited when years ago the camera was the technological marvel at its time
if i were samsung or moto or any of the android partners i would work together to countersue apple.
49. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it shows intent and motivation. things that are very relevant to the case.
the fact that apple was trying to be allowed to sway the jury based on their personal feelings of the companies and not on fact speaks volumes about how flimsy apple's case is.
this is a nation of laws, apple. it is not a democracy and it is not a popularity contest.
75. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5472; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
all you care for is that Apple is always right. which in this case Apple is not
16. Whateverman (Posts: 3156; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Do you think it was fair for Apple to ask for all Samsung emails that mention anything Apple? If Apple can use Samsung's words against them, then it's only fair that Motorola be allowed to do the same thing to Apple. If he didn't want it be known, he shouldn't have allowed it to be in a book.
27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I'm saying it has nothing to do with the facts of the case. If Samsung has incriminating emails then yes those are relevant.
The supposed Mac user anti Apple as always.
29. Whateverman (Posts: 3156; Member since: 17 May 2009)
The man basically says he will do anything to distort Android...how is that not relevant in a case where they are trying to destroy Android?
Owning a Mac doesn't make me feel the need to kneel and bob. Im more anti a$$hole if anything, and let's face it, Steve was an a$$hole. Your anti Google no matter what they do. I've never seen a comment from you about Google that wasn't negative.
31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I've never sen
En a comment from you tha pt wasn't anti Apple.
Being and "asshole" has no relevance on the facts. Samsung is trying to stay away from facts and make this personal. They also claim Apple's witnesses are biased because they admire Apple.
37. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
*chuckles* Only you, Taco, only you could take the declaration of war by Apple's CEO and say it's completely irrelevant in a case where part of the defendant's claim is that Apple is waging a vindictive war on them.
Why is it that you insist on being such a dumbass? What is it about you that makes you so combative here, and forces you to make increasingly inane claims that make less and less sense?
I am genuinely curious, Taco.
65. LionStone (Posts: 407; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
Ah Sniggles, always so logical...but you should know by now that immaturity does not understand logic. Poor, poor Taco....
45. Whateverman (Posts: 3156; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Lol! I've complimented Apple's products on many occasions, but you would remember that because you have selective memory. You seem to forget you lost a bet to remixfa earlier this year too.
I brought up the fact that I'm anti a$$hole, to correct your comment about me being anti Apple, not as material for the case. Apple wants to introduce the emails as proof of Samsung's intentions, and Motorola thinks Steve's words proves Apple's intentions. Motorola has every right to defend themselves from companies who would rather sue their competition than to innovate. :)
50. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
taco, it shows intent and it shows motivation. 2 things that are VERY relevant to any case when trying to show guilt.
47. duckymomo26 (Posts: 19; Member since: 01 Jun 2012)
So when Apple uses Samsung's words against them its relevant. But when Motorola uses Apples words against them. These words that could be found inside Steve Jobs books. Words that Steve Jobs said him self. In his book. That he Wrote. Its irrelevant? Really man? Really? FLIPPING Really?
53. joaolx (Posts: 326; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
How will that be good for Motorola? They want to use his words and that's ok but how can that make them win? They're just words, how will that help them?
Do words mean that he did something? Android was never a stolen product but it's a little stupid to use his quotes.
I'm not trying to be stupid, I'm just trying to understand.
68. Whateverman (Posts: 3156; Member since: 17 May 2009)
At the surface, it doesn't seem to have any value. But when you think about it you have to wonder why Apple wants it blocked in the first place?
Well, my theory is that Apple may not want the statement to be entered because hearing that their true motive is simply to destroy Android would set a horrible tone. Not only for this case, but for all future cases against Android as well. It would bring into question the merits of every case Apple brings against Android. If they can proove that the destruction of Android is the only reason for every lawsuit against Google, they're gonna start loosing these cases.
13. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I think the fact android stole from Apple is beyond debate. The only question is the punishment. Apple's goal of banning is ultimately unrealistic so we'll have to see how this plays out.
19. Mark.J.Linskiy (unregistered)
Are you mentally ill? I only ask because nearly every statement, that is mostly false, you make tends to support that observation.
61. protozeloz (Posts: 5284; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
he is a troll, I've said it a million times.
1. he lives inside a distortion field
2. he has a sad live which only moment to discharge his anger is going though posts and bashing on Google and android
3. he claims android stole but also claims apple has not stolen anything at all
4. he lost a bet he is not willing to take responsibility for
5. I've show him post with proof with documentations videos and other stuff to prove him wrong and yet he continues to prove my fart has more relevant content than his posts.
my recommendation don't go go trying to prove anything to him, because he wont listen. he is like a broken LP playing the same broken song over and over again.
82. PapaSmurf (Posts: 5842; Member since: 14 May 2012)
What was the bet Taco made with remixfa?
91. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Samsung vs Apple in smartphone sales. Remix lost and won't get off the site.
96. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Bulls**t. If anything, it was a draw, because one source said Samsung blasted the s**t out of Apple, and one said they just barely fell behind. The initial report was the one that said you lost. And like a crybaby, you wouldn't leave. Your ass was saved by that second source.
94. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Read comments here: http://goo.gl/eegiy
20. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
I think the fact that Apple stole from Android is beyond debate. The only question is the punishment. Google's goal of doing absolutely nothing is ultimately unrealistic so we'll have to see how this plays out.
21. Mark.J.Linskiy (unregistered)
Seems about right. It's interesting that he only mentions Android stealing so much from Apple, but fails to ever mention how Apple steals from Android or anything/anyone else.
26. kach22 (Posts: 99; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
What have you smoked recently? Apple stole ideas from not only androids but also from symbian and webOS. Just because they came up with a capacitive display doesn't prove they are all so "Innovative".
85. jroc74 (Posts: 3628; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
The iPhone isnt even the first phone with a capacitive display on a phone....that honor goes to the LG Prada....IIRC. Put it like this....the Prada had it before the iPhone.
Apples claim to fame? Wait for it....Multi Touch capacitive display on a phone...how all of a sudden that became to mean they invented capacitive displays or the first to use it is beyond me.
76. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5472; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
we should punish you for trolling and talking trash bout Android/Google.
84. jroc74 (Posts: 3628; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
If thats the case....why hasnt Apple challenged Google directly...like Oracle just tried to do?
And when you say stole..where do you think the iPhone would be if it tried to re invent the wheel with ....everything....about the iPhone...? The way you keep bringing up stole and overlooking the iPhone and where it got its inspirations from is odd...
iPhone wasnt the first touch screen phone, wasnt the first to have an app store, wasnt the first to have a full mobile OS, etc....it wasnt the first at alot of things. But I guess thats ok for the iPhone and Apple, right?
18. kg4icg (Posts: 62; Member since: 18 May 2008)
Hey taco50, how many ideas have Apple stolen and claimed that they envisioned it and claimed they invented it, or gave that impression for instance, Thunderbolt, which is a name Apple threw on it but they didn't invent it. That 1 goes to the people at Intel in which Apple was just the 1st to use it.