Judge Lucy Koh cuts jury award by $450 million, orders second damages trial in Apple v. Samsung
0. phoneArena 01 Mar 2013, 15:30 posted on
Judge Lucy Koh has just entered an order that cuts $450 million from the $1,05 billion that the jury awarded Apple in last year's patent trial; in addition, the judge ordered that a second trial be held to determine the new damage amount to replace the damage award that the judge has just vacated but that triak won't occur until after Samsung's appeal is heard...
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1. nikenturd (unregistered)
$450 million for infringing a color and a geometric shape patent still sounds ridiculous though. Samsung owes Appple no shyt.
3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10443; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Exactly. Shapes and colors are reasons for suing another company. Do they not know that phones before the original iPhone had rounded corners? *cough* LG Prada *cough*
34. stealthd (unregistered)
Yes, shapes and colors that make it obvious that something was copied are grounds for a lawsuit. Welcome to the real world.
And have you even seen the LG Prada? Those corners don't look very round.
44. nikenturd (unregistered)
A common geometric shape and color cannot be patented, period, and you know that... the shape of a car is much much more intricate, a shape of a toilet bowl is a lot more intricate as well....the Coca Cola bottle was patented because of its unique shape and rightfully so....
48. stealthd (unregistered)
You're absolutely right, common geometric shapes cannot be patented, which is why Apple doesn't have any patents on common geometric shapes.
53. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10443; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Are you done trolling or do you have more to tell?
65. darkkjedii (Posts: 20638; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Are YOU done trolling? iOS trolls android trolls... A trolls a troll papa troll.
63. nikenturd (unregistered)
then Apple has absolutely no right to own the rectangluar rounded corners, right?
75. rsxl5 (Posts: 65; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Well, toilet bowl's shape can be patented.
There might be rumor anytime soon that iToilet is to be square shape with slightly rounded corners ;P
86. Aeires (unregistered)
I believe the Coca Cola red is patented. In extremely rare cases, colors can be patented but black is not one of them and you have to prove you mixed the pigments to make a completely new color. Apple has no legitimate argument in their case over color.
51. weinerslav (Posts: 126; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
it seems very clear to me that you never hold one....
76. tuminatr (Posts: 773; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)
I think its a silly argument, its like Chrysler sueing everyone else for copying the mini van.
Or like Kodak sueing everyone else who made a digital camera
or like kleenex sueing all other facial tissue makers
yes shapes are important but when it's just the way phones look its silly
4. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Has Apple Really Ever Invented Anything?
5. omar300 (Posts: 209; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)
no they did make phones pretty but thats no invention. thats marketing.
10. darkkjedii (Posts: 20638; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
They invented the settlement mr snitch
25. darkkjedii (Posts: 20638; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
I'm not you're the one on another apple article crying and moaning. Mr snitch.
33. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"I'm not you're the one on another apple article crying and moaning."
Sorry, but I don't understand what you just wrote...
Don't cry. ;)
95. lolioslol (banned) (Posts: 182; Member since: 10 Dec 2012)
"I know you are but what am I"
Jesus you are pathetic, grow up you joke of a man. What's next, going to tell us how your dad can beat up our dad? Maybe a mom joke or two?
32. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10443; Member since: 14 May 2012)
This has got to be the best post to show an Apple fan to show them they don't invent anything. They haven't innovated anything since 2010 with the iPhone 4.
62. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
That video made my Friday. Thank you!
77. tuminatr (Posts: 773; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)
yes I believe they have, but most people have steve jobs distortion field amped up and think they invented more than they actually did. Listen apple is a good intagrater and they are good at getting people to adopt their technology. They are the are the best marketing company ever! they have also built a robust ecosystem for developers. For me its still the same question open or closed? open thank you!
88. procopiojose (Posts: 132; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
apple did invent the lockscreen with the amazing bypass security feature.. make your phone vulnerable as a baby inside a cage of hungry pedos..
94. lolioslol (banned) (Posts: 182; Member since: 10 Dec 2012)
They invented patent trolling and hipsters
83. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
Koh wants Samsung to pay more..... You will see......
iCon Company wants more for iConboards.....
87. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1235; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
dont worry man...its a start and DAMN...Koh's on fire :)
sooner or later Koh should just wave the whole thing off...its good for business and justified!
90. procopiojose (Posts: 132; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
do you know the story why the thing on your throat is called an "adam's apple"?
guess who convinced adam and eve to bite that freakin fruit.....
clue: S____ (5 letter word)
2. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10443; Member since: 14 May 2012)
The end result still shouldn't be that much, but finally Judge John finally came to her senses and was smart enough to lower the jury award.
15. Hemlocke (unregistered)
You don't seem to get that she vacated it because she found that they hadn't based their damages on ALL of the infringements or calculated ALL of the potential lost sales. The final figure will be higher, not lower.
24. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Really? After 2-3 patents were found invalid by the USPTO?
I find that hard to believe....
43. Hemlocke (unregistered)
Go look at the full text and comments. There were more cases of willful infringement and many more devices added late. Samsung is going to get soaked.
55. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10443; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Some of the patents Apple is suing for are now invalidated and I wouldn't be surprised if more are found to be invalidated as well. We all have to just sit back and wait for the "Trial of All Trials" v2 to take place.
68. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I read all that. It isnt taking into account the patents that are now invalid.
Samsung isnt gonna get soaked.
8. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Samsung will never ever EVER E_V_E_R pay a dime for Apple patents mark my words. EVER.
9. lyndon420 (Posts: 4158; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Good for apple...they need money badly. Poor poor fruit.
28. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10443; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Yeah because having billions of dollars in your bank account puts you in a position where you need money badly. Logic there is non-existent.
71. lyndon420 (Posts: 4158; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
I was being too hap-hazardly with my sarcasm...my bad.
12. ama3654 (Posts: 295; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)
As time goes on and the case progresses, they will realise all Apple patents are invalid and Samsung nor any other company will not pay a dime. In fact Apple just copy previous inventions from other companies, change a few things and patent them only at USPTO. They don't manufacture or produce a single component, shameless patent trolls!
14. techguy22 (Posts: 227; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
really still a lot of money but its still a good move by the judge.
23. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
It's a little more what Apple is paying for the Facetime fiasco, only they are ordered to pay while Samsung can still dismiss the ruling entirely based on impartial jury, forged evidence and common sense.
17. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
looks like this STUPID JUDGE still on the greedy fruit side. WHY CAN'T U JUST SQUASH THIS CASE ALREADY ALL OF US ARE SICK N TIRED OF THIS B.S.
19. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Come on Judge make it Zero O award to Applebee. Now there a lot of companies copy Galaxy S3 shape and Samsung didn't care.
29. willard12 (Posts: 1626; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Now it goes to appeals court where they will knock off a another half. Apple is going to end up paying their lawyers a lot more than what they are going to get from Samsung. Considering that Apple owes VirnetX $368 million for their blatant copying, they could end up losing the patent wars they escalated.
37. nikenturd (unregistered)
Their stocks plumetted to $430 right after the announcement, Ima bet those douchebags at Apple are grimacing right now
97. lolioslol (banned) (Posts: 182; Member since: 10 Dec 2012)
I, for one, fully sipport apple in their patent trolling ways. They're only hurting themselves and what image they have left. Give it another 6 months of this bullsh*t and their stock will be at $150 a share. GO APPLE GO! SUE SUE SUE!!!
85. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Few Apple bots are mourning today :D :D
35. mafiaprinc3 (Posts: 521; Member since: 07 May 2012)
dude again with this!!!!
need to stop this now,been going on too long
40. cheetah2k (Posts: 1542; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
Koh is milking this for all its worth. I wonder how much she has been paid already for these farcical trials?
45. osmaankhaan (unregistered)
Hahaha;-) In ur face apple.!!!
47. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Okay, predictions: Apple to open @ $400 on Monday.
50. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Only in America. Don't the US citizens find it disturbing that they live in the only country that awarded Apple anything for prior art? I personally would be ashamed/concerned and question US law.
This could also set a precedent where ZTE and Huawei stay out of the US market, limiting choice for US consumers. I know Fujitsu and Sharp will never release phones here because of pricks like Apple.
54. willard12 (Posts: 1626; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Other countries, like Germany, just give Apple injunctions and the bans that they want over prior art.
56. avin007 (Posts: 139; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)
Those money awarded,will help apple buy even more no. of patents....