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Judge Koh upset at Samsung for leaking info to the press

0. phoneArena 01 Aug 2012, 01:47 posted on

Bad Samsung, bad! This is what Judge Lucy Koh seems to be saying after getting upset with the Korean manufacturer for leaking certain images to the press; the judge felt that the images had been produced too late in discovery...

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posted on 01 Aug 2012, 04:48 1

43. darkkjedii (Posts: 22954; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I figured the androidiots would thumb down your statement cuz its true and unbiased taco

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 04:48 1

44. tedkord (Posts: 13020; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


And the reverse is true - if she were treating Apple the way she's trying Samsung, iFans world be calling for her head. So what?

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 04:55 2

46. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


You're probably right. So since no matter what happens someone will complain about unfairness, maybe we should all shut up, stop b*tching, and let whatever happens happen? I'm down for that.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 05:24 3

52. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 311; Member since: 03 May 2012)


goes to show you we listen to what is right no matter who its from doesnt it? if toco is spitting truth then he wont get thumbs down but most people with good enough knowledge on a subject can pretty much recognize fanboyism and biased opinions dude...

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 09:41 2

68. remixfa (Posts: 14461; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I would say the case was a fair fight if they were both able to show whatever evidence they could to support their side. Apple is going in talking about rectangles, why cant samsung show pics of pre-iphone phones that were SOLD, not just concepts, that prove beyond a doubt that their design language was there before the iphone. The F-700 looks extremely similar to the SGS1 in basic shapes and design language and it was out well before the iphone... a long with other phones. Yet they are not allowed to show the F-700??? come on now. That one phone proves their case and discredits apple.

The iphone being the most popular, does mean it has has exclusives on basic shapes. The argument itself is just ridiculous. You dont see RIM going after everyone with a portrait keyboard do you?

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 10:50 2

72. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)


taco50 = iRobot

I mean seriously, taco has been staring at those square icons on the homescreen of his iDevices way too long that almost like his brain has been programmed like robot that those are the only ones he sees! lmfao

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 02:22 6

16. Forsaken77 (Posts: 553; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)


Even though Samsung produced those photos late in the discovery process, if the judge wanted a fair trial with all the necessary information, she would've allowed it. Critical information shouldn't been exempt just because it was untimely. That sets up grounds for an appeal right there. Samsung was right to leak the photos. This judge didn't give them a choice and Samsung wants everyone to see that she's already decided the outcome of this case.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 04:51 2

45. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


if a videotape of a person clearly committing a crime didn't follow all the requirements/procedures to be used as evidence in the court room, it can still be thrown out and disregarded. This has happened many times before. It doesn't matter how critical the information was, it has to follow the rules. This is how the legal system works.

The question you should be asking is if Judge Koh threw out the evidence without proper justification or if it was thrown out based on Samsung's incompetent legal team. If Judge Koh was wrong, they should appeal. If this was indeed Samsung's fault, then they should really try to avoid making anymore mistakes if they intend to win this. Either way, leaking the documents so it could get to the jury against the judges decision was a very bad bad move. Samsung is already in trouble for burying evidence, this isn't helping them. Courtroom Advice #182: Don't piss off the judge.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 02:23 6

17. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


I don't get it.. I'm not so familiar with trial proceedures and stuff, but for what I understand is that the Judge did not allow any sony design pictures be used in the court, but got mad that it was released in public. Is it illegal?

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 02:59

25. humblebee (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)


Court Contempt. Wikipedia says it all my friend :)

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:12 4

28. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


If so, doesn't this
"Because of the broad protections of the First Amendment, with extremely limited exceptions, unless the media outlet is a party to the case, a media outlet cannot be found in contempt of court for reporting about a case because a court cannot order the media in general not to report on a case or forbid it from reporting facts discovered publicly.[12] Newspapers cannot be closed because of their content.[13]"
prevent Samsung from getting into any trouble?

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 05:03 1

48. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


I don't know if this was outed by the media though. The fact that she asked the attorney for a list of all the individuals involved in "leaking the images to the press" implies that it was done by Samsung's legal team directly.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 07:20

63. Aeires (unregistered)


I think that has yet to be proven. She's pissed and likely just assumed it was Samsung's legal team in her anger. From what I've read of their lawyer on this case, it doesn't seem like his style to use the media that way. It's likely a member of Samsung, but doubt it's anyone trying the case.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 09:44 1

69. remixfa (Posts: 14461; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


it wouldnt even need to be anyone directly. the info that they "leaked" was already public domain knowledge anyways. All one of the lawyers or interns would have to do is bitch about the decision to someone, who then takes it apon themselves to "leak" whats going on to the media. The lawyers/whomever will get reprimanded for talking about the case outside of the courtroom, but as far as direct evidence pointing to one of them.. I doubt that exists.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 02:43 1

19. xtian1103 (Posts: 363; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


so what if samsung wins this case, judge kho would have praises as high as heavens from android fans. admit it, if the verdict don't favor your side, you curse the judge.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:15 2

29. tedkord (Posts: 13020; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


No, because Koh about device the case, a jury will. Though, it seems that she will do anything in her power to affect the verdict.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 02:50 1

23. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15696; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Leaking information in a court case is supposed to be illegal anyways. What in the world was Samsung thinking?

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 02:55 6

24. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


But the point is, the Judge did not let the pictures be used in the court in the first place so why is she mad?

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:02 1

26. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 311; Member since: 03 May 2012)


Right! if your not allowed inside the court house then where do you belong? outside....So why is she mad that the evidence is actually where she wanted it to be?

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:16

30. tedkord (Posts: 13020; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The pictures were already public domain, and she didn't specifically order them not released.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:26 1

31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Man sounds like you should represent Samsung

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:36 1

32. Retro-touch (Posts: 274; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


You must be stupid, there's a difference between information that is confidential being leaked and information that is ALREADY publicly available being leaked in timely fashion, in this case, its not right because it can sway the jury's decision but it was available prior so I don't see the issue. There might be annoying legal procedures that they infringed though

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:37 1

33. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 311; Member since: 03 May 2012)


yea and you most definitely could fit in with apple! smh

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 04:45

41. tedkord (Posts: 13020; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


And you sound like you should make sure the fries are done.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 05:12 1

50. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


because the point of leaking the images would be to influence the jury outside the courtroom, despite the fact that the judge clearly said it can't be used. I bet every single member of the jury has seen these documents online (I'm guessing because they'd have to be somewhat techy to be on the jury for a high-profile case like this). These documents will now weigh in their final decision, even though its been officially deemed not fit for the trial. Not only is it likely that every single member of the jury has seen it, but Apple will never have a chance to refute the documents because in the courtroom, it will never be brought up. Samsung didn't "leak" the documents for entertainment purposes.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 05:30

54. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 311; Member since: 03 May 2012)


they dont have to have the documents on paper in the court room anymore........All they have to do is power up the internet and run a slide show!!

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 09:34 1

66. remixfa (Posts: 14461; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Actually, I would assume that Apple wants the LEAST techy group of jurors possible. The more tech savy the jurors, the less Apple's chances of winning on "rectangles and circles". The arguments they are making as far as lost profits and such would only be conceivable to someone who doesnt understand economics or doesnt have a clue about tech and cell phones in particular... or a completely blind troll. But the odds of one of those being there is pretty slim.

Apple's case is just a bunch of weak threads put together to look like something bigger. If Samsung were not getting unfavorable treatment from this crazy judge, the case would be half way over and/or thrown out.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 09:44

70. remixfa (Posts: 14461; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you think they've let him graduate to fries yet? I dunno,.. that fry timer is preeeety tricky.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 10:57 1

73. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)


And you should represent Apple dude! Sit right beside Judge Koh while in the courtroom too.

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 03:42 1

35. nastynaps (Posts: 93; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


The judge is mad over this? It's not like a trial against a mob boss where if certain info is released to the public someone just might die. This is silly, we really need to get our priorities straight here. This is a trial between two huge corporations over the design of a frikken phone! What ever happened to just making a better product? I understand if your intellectual property is stolen you want that protected but come on, it's clear that no property was stolen. Everybody makes these phones now, should each company sue each other for making similar products and picking up on a good idea? Companies make it harder for average people to access the courts and protect themselves everyday all the while using the system to wage financial war on each other. We're here taking sides...laughable.

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