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Judge Koh continues Samsung's legal slump by denying all 12 summary judgment motions

0. phoneArena 01 Jul 2012, 01:17 posted on

A summary judgement motion brought by Samsung back in May was denied in its entirety by Judge Lucy Koh on Saturday; the Korean manufacturer had attacked the validity of Apple's IP rights and Apple's FRAND-related antitrust claims...

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posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:07 1

138. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

You guys sorta contradicted yourselves. If thsee features that Apple is suing for are so insignificant that the average consumer won't even notice, why doesn't Samsung just remove them?!?!?! Its no biggie right? Features like slide to unlock are silly suits, but why nit just remove them instead of putting your device at risk of being banned? Additionally, there are more important suits like the "unified" search patent for voice search...not all of them are subtle.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:20

146. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Be honest here. You don't really think people choose a Samsung over an iPhone because it has slide to unlock, or because it has a rectangular shape do you. Apple has every right to protect siri because they paid for it. But sueing for menu buttons, screen bounces and things 99.999999% of customers don't even notice just looks weak. I don't care how many phones you sell, if you have to sue your way into first place, your still just second best.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:47 1

153. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

So why doesn't Samsung remove those things if no one cares

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:50 3

156. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)

Yes, if his decision seems wrong to me, maybe I will. But Posner has better track record than this chicken head, not only in these patent cases but others too. Apple must have promised free supply of iPads for her periods. So its understandable.
Apple -"Samsung copying our product is hurting our business irreparably." Ha ha what a load of bulls**t.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:02 1

158. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

Nike banned the sales Reebok's Tim Tebow jerseys.as they have the rights to sale the jersey.. to me this sounds more ridiculous than what Apple is doing.. is normal it happens every day.. deal with it

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:06 2

159. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

because Samsung works around what Apple does.. las year the wanted to compete head to head with the iphone 4S vs their SGSII and lost here in the States... they released the SGSIII with a app similar to Siri which they can but they are just mocking Apple ... remember when Samung mocked Apple on their commercial.. well pay up. Sammy

ps. the only reason the SGSIII did so wel is because they again copied Apple's way of creting hype and complete mistery,,,

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:11 1

162. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

By wrong you mean any decision that sides with Apple. You're blinded by fanaticism.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:12 2

163. Otterbox (banned) (Posts: 71; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)

The iPhone price is no higher than a high end Android price when its first released. Only difference? iPhones don't become oudated as fast. Apple is still supporting older phones.

Patents are there for a reason, to protect innovation and ideas you came up. Samsung has been guilty of copying many of the iPhone's ideas before.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:34 1

169. Pdubb (Posts: 248; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)

I think the main problem people are having with this is that Apple found it reasonable to use other company's tech and license it for their use but do not want to do the same. Innovation comes from building on what is there and making it better. It is rare to completely change the way something is done which is what Apple is essentially asking other companies to achieve. They were not asked to do this but, they are seeking to ban other companies for building off what they have used. Innovation would almost cease to exist if each company started to use these tactics.(notice I used almost) What if the tire axle was patented and used this way? What about the doorknob? Apple came after all the hard lifting had been done. They use FRAND but while those companies cross licensed a lot of their tech Apple just wants to pay a nominal fee and join in while keeping its tech to themselves. Then sue when they feel they have been infringed. Many of us feel much of the patents Apple has inserted(notice I said much not all) are just logical and not innovative. Slide to unlock comes to mind as well as their "trade dress".(a rectangular screen with rounded edges) In business you want your patents to be licensed usually. That brings in extra income to develop and make your products better and you do not have to go it alone. Look at RIM when their tech got old there was nothing to grow or build. The BBM was it and they had nothing to help grow the service. With the tech out there you can find more uses kind of like MS has done with Kinect.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 17:34

193. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)

Oh yeah, almost forgot:

WELCHER inbred hillbilly gutter trash.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 17:36 1

194. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)

'fanatacism'. Three things:
1) That's a pretty big word for a retarded person, did you have an adult help you with that?

2) You accusing others of fanatacism. IRONY, look it up.

3) WELCHER TRASH, leave.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 17:37

195. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)

More personality too.

And she wasn't A GODDAM WELCHER!

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 17:38 2

196. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)

Society should have banned your parents from breeding. So much tragedy and fail could've been avoided...

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 18:07 1

215. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

Wow so we're sexist now? Interesting...

I would never say comments like that for anyone reason, especially for a freaking phone company lol. But maybe that's just me, I've always been different......

Congrats Android is now the new cult. Come to think of it, I can't remember a time when iPhone users ever acted as radical. You guys are original, I like it.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 18:21

220. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

I don't know, but that really isn't the point. Pdubb down below hit the nail on the head. Apple uses/steal technology from all its competitors then expects their little after thoughts to be treated like sacred ground. They can't have it both ways. Either your going to be a competitor in this industry or destroy it. An all iPhone industry, like someone said earlier, would lead to $2000 iPhones with no other alternatives.

At first, I wanted Motorola to be the more honorable company and NOT enforce the injunction they just won. But now my hope is that Motorola bans both the iPad and iPhone and put they iPhone 5 on ice for a few months if not years. That would be justice. :)

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 18:54 1

221. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

So when it comes to the iphone fandroids have always stated that it sells because is well marketed.. so is not me saying it... but when it comes to SGSIII is because is a good device... please even on thta Samsung copied Apple marketing ways..

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 23:06

224. Pdubb (Posts: 248; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)

That is completely different!!!! Reebok had an exclusive contract with the NFL and it expired and Nike had the exclusive contract. When Tebow was traded Reebok tried to make the new jerseys to capitalize on the popularity of Tebow. Reebok tried to sell those jerseys after they knew their contract was expired and Nike had the exclusive deal. They didn't ban the Bronco jerseys just the new Jets jerseys that were made after the contract was over. That is why they banned the sale of those jerseys.

posted on 02 Jul 2012, 01:19

226. bayusuputra (Posts: 963; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)

you still can say no, ask them to pay and remove the infringing features and let them sell it still.. we'll see how much sales will be affected if SGS3 dumps the S-voice..

posted on 02 Jul 2012, 18:12

235. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

you should of said WHORE

posted on 02 Jul 2012, 21:46

245. joey_sfb (Posts: 6468; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

I am glad that apple did not ship any TV otherwise Apple will be suing Sony, LG and Samsung for making a rectangular TV.

posted on 03 Jul 2012, 20:16

249. KingGiner55 (Posts: 1; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

Patents are there for a reason, to protect innovation and ideas you came up. Exactly. But the problem and reason I HATE APPLE is the fact that they patent ideas that have been out for years that the maker has wanted to be usable for everyone. For example slide to unlock was available at least five years before the first iPhone and they patented it and sued a lot of people over it causing a lot of money and time in development o come up with a work around all because Apple is a company of greedy heartless snobs. The only real loss that we see is the loss of innovation because Android IS leading the way in software I don't care how many devices have the latest. If you have Froyo you have more features than iOS6. And where would you be with your precious iDevices if Apple hadn't stolen soooooo many ideas from Android? And since Samsung has made several of the Nexus phones, by default, they are stealing from Samsung. And what on earth did this phone steal from the iPhone? There isn't a person alive that can't tell the diffidence unless they have multiple handicaps. #boycottapple

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:23 9

2. Scyllax (unregistered)

Good for apple. Good for a tech company that cannot flow through the fast growing of technological innovations.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:30 7

3. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

Samsung, you reap what you sow. When Apple asked you to stop stealing their ideas and even offer to license some low level patents as an inducement, you guys exhibited such unbounded hubris.

That hubris continued with using FRAND patents to extort Apple. As if you believed your 3G FRAND patent can be used as leverage. Btw, that strategy is also backfiring for Motorola.

Samsung, if you are going to steal, don't steal IP from Apple because they will sue you as they have a long, long history of protecting their IP.

Samsung, you reap what you sow.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:32 21

5. ilia1986 (unregistered)

And of course Apple never stole anything from anybody, right?

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:57 6

8. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3116; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)

Lol too bad Apple steals from its own app developers all the time and claims they invented it themselves. You fanboys need to snap into reality and wake up. Apple stole and copied from the very start of their organization.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 02:07 13

10. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3116; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)

These mindless sheep can't be reasoned with. Apple police could break into their homes and steal all their money and belongings and they would just thank Apple for it.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 02:09 8

11. chadrick0814 (Posts: 210; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)

So its okay for Apple to steal the notification menu, reply to a phone call with a message, and a million other things from android? All of Apple's patents in question are things they've bought from other companies. Get out of your fantasy world thinking they created any of it. Apple bought a galaxy nexus, ripped it apart to find something, and they came up with a Siri patent. Copying is not the issue for Apple. The will try to ban any competitive device. They will tear every high end Samsung, Motorola, and HTC device apart until they find 1 of the trillions patents they've PURCHASED being infringed upon in order to eliminate products that they know a better than their featureless devices.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 03:39 2

45. mandkeee (Posts: 82; Member since: 27 Feb 2009)

Judge Koh you did great job.....

samsung copied way too much stuffs from apple.....

and im telling you guys....from this website....most of users are love android....

so if you say something good about apple??? trust me...you will get bad reply...

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 05:13 3

64. TechDroid (Posts: 37; Member since: 14 Jun 2011)

Can you please put together coherent sentences, because all I'm seeing is words.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 08:52

105. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Apple wouldn't exist as they are today without gross infringement. One of the reasons apple products are made in china is because of the country's turning a blind eye on infringing products from other manufacturers. Nokia alone could have had the apple production lines shuttered, but they didn't go far enough in their attack to defend their patents, so apple went on to continue its theiving ways

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