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Judge Koh continues Samsung's legal slump by denying all 12 summary judgment motions

0. phoneArena 01 Jul 2012, 01:17 posted on

A summary judgement motion brought by Samsung back in May was denied in its entirety by Judge Lucy Koh on Saturday; the Korean manufacturer had attacked the validity of Apple's IP rights and Apple's FRAND-related antitrust claims...

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posted on 02 Jul 2012, 01:19

226. bayusuputra (Posts: 963; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)


you still can say no, ask them to pay and remove the infringing features and let them sell it still.. we'll see how much sales will be affected if SGS3 dumps the S-voice..

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 11:42

135. vbetts (Posts: 14; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)


While I don't agree with Apple going after so many patents and while I also believe the whole US patent systme is the most rediculous system on the planet, it is not unethical to want to protect your products. I hate what Apple is doing, but I can easily understand why. The main reason is to protect their products and design, now we all know too there's another reason and that's to knock out competition, but that's not the point.

And great claim there on Apple, I'm going to call BS on that because if Apple was the first company to ban a product because of patent infringements, that would completely and utterly defeat the purpose of having a US patent system. That's why it's there, if I patent a cookie with a speaker in it and someone else tries to make one and sell it without paying me royaltees, I'm going to shut them down.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 06:21 6

73. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


I'd like to see you say this when you get sued by Apple for making your toast with rounded corners.

Of course, companies have the right to intellectual properties, but what we are pissed about here is the ridiculousness of the nature of these lawsuits.

Please reply after looking up what kind of patents Apple is suing for.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 06:26 2

74. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


True.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 08:07 1

86. Gemmol (Posts: 792; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


read the post above you number 85 I answer your comment

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 08:16

89. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)


when you sue something. it is for something that is really harming your marketshare and will cause inreparable harm to your market share

what apple is suiing for are things so subtile, they won't make a difference in the average consumer

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 08:40

100. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


@optimusone Yes, exactly

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:07 1

138. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


You guys sorta contradicted yourselves. If thsee features that Apple is suing for are so insignificant that the average consumer won't even notice, why doesn't Samsung just remove them?!?!?! Its no biggie right? Features like slide to unlock are silly suits, but why nit just remove them instead of putting your device at risk of being banned? Additionally, there are more important suits like the "unified" search patent for voice search...not all of them are subtle.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:20

146. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Be honest here. You don't really think people choose a Samsung over an iPhone because it has slide to unlock, or because it has a rectangular shape do you. Apple has every right to protect siri because they paid for it. But sueing for menu buttons, screen bounces and things 99.999999% of customers don't even notice just looks weak. I don't care how many phones you sell, if you have to sue your way into first place, your still just second best.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:47 1

153. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So why doesn't Samsung remove those things if no one cares

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:06 2

159. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


because Samsung works around what Apple does.. las year the wanted to compete head to head with the iphone 4S vs their SGSII and lost here in the States... they released the SGSIII with a app similar to Siri which they can but they are just mocking Apple ... remember when Samung mocked Apple on their commercial.. well pay up. Sammy

ps. the only reason the SGSIII did so wel is because they again copied Apple's way of creting hype and complete mistery,,,

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:50 1

176. DigitalBoy05 (Posts: 222; Member since: 04 Jun 2011)


so youre saying it has nothing to do with having a good product but entirely on how its marketed?

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 18:54 1

221. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


So when it comes to the iphone fandroids have always stated that it sells because is well marketed.. so is not me saying it... but when it comes to SGSIII is because is a good device... please even on thta Samsung copied Apple marketing ways..

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 18:21

220. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I don't know, but that really isn't the point. Pdubb down below hit the nail on the head. Apple uses/steal technology from all its competitors then expects their little after thoughts to be treated like sacred ground. They can't have it both ways. Either your going to be a competitor in this industry or destroy it. An all iPhone industry, like someone said earlier, would lead to $2000 iPhones with no other alternatives.

At first, I wanted Motorola to be the more honorable company and NOT enforce the injunction they just won. But now my hope is that Motorola bans both the iPad and iPhone and put they iPhone 5 on ice for a few months if not years. That would be justice. :)

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 13:34 1

169. Pdubb (Posts: 248; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


I think the main problem people are having with this is that Apple found it reasonable to use other company's tech and license it for their use but do not want to do the same. Innovation comes from building on what is there and making it better. It is rare to completely change the way something is done which is what Apple is essentially asking other companies to achieve. They were not asked to do this but, they are seeking to ban other companies for building off what they have used. Innovation would almost cease to exist if each company started to use these tactics.(notice I used almost) What if the tire axle was patented and used this way? What about the doorknob? Apple came after all the hard lifting had been done. They use FRAND but while those companies cross licensed a lot of their tech Apple just wants to pay a nominal fee and join in while keeping its tech to themselves. Then sue when they feel they have been infringed. Many of us feel much of the patents Apple has inserted(notice I said much not all) are just logical and not innovative. Slide to unlock comes to mind as well as their "trade dress".(a rectangular screen with rounded edges) In business you want your patents to be licensed usually. That brings in extra income to develop and make your products better and you do not have to go it alone. Look at RIM when their tech got old there was nothing to grow or build. The BBM was it and they had nothing to help grow the service. With the tech out there you can find more uses kind of like MS has done with Kinect.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 03:40 4

46. mandkeee (Posts: 82; Member since: 27 Feb 2009)


Judge Koh you did great job.....

samsung copied way too much stuffs from apple.....

and im telling you guys....from this website....most of users are love android....

so if you say something good about apple??? trust me...you will get bad reply...

posted on 02 Jul 2012, 21:46

245. joey_sfb (Posts: 5972; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


I am glad that apple did not ship any TV otherwise Apple will be suing Sony, LG and Samsung for making a rectangular TV.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 05:21 8

66. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Judge Koh is Tim Cook is mistress.

posted on 02 Jul 2012, 18:12

235. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)


you should of said WHORE

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 09:20 6

113. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)


Judge Lucy is just on the iRag; she just needs a few MiDol (Extra Strength) down her ('love you long time') throat.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 10:23 1

119. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


just out right offensive bro...

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:23 9

2. Scyllax (unregistered)


Good for apple. Good for a tech company that cannot flow through the fast growing of technological innovations.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:30 7

3. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Samsung, you reap what you sow. When Apple asked you to stop stealing their ideas and even offer to license some low level patents as an inducement, you guys exhibited such unbounded hubris.

That hubris continued with using FRAND patents to extort Apple. As if you believed your 3G FRAND patent can be used as leverage. Btw, that strategy is also backfiring for Motorola.

Samsung, if you are going to steal, don't steal IP from Apple because they will sue you as they have a long, long history of protecting their IP.

Samsung, you reap what you sow.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:32 21

5. ilia1986 (unregistered)


And of course Apple never stole anything from anybody, right?

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 02:07 13

10. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


These mindless sheep can't be reasoned with. Apple police could break into their homes and steal all their money and belongings and they would just thank Apple for it.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 12:10 3

141. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


If Apple stole, it's up to those companies to protect their property. That's no reason for Apple not to protect theirs

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 01:57 6

8. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Lol too bad Apple steals from its own app developers all the time and claims they invented it themselves. You fanboys need to snap into reality and wake up. Apple stole and copied from the very start of their organization.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 02:09 8

11. chadrick0814 (Posts: 209; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)


So its okay for Apple to steal the notification menu, reply to a phone call with a message, and a million other things from android? All of Apple's patents in question are things they've bought from other companies. Get out of your fantasy world thinking they created any of it. Apple bought a galaxy nexus, ripped it apart to find something, and they came up with a Siri patent. Copying is not the issue for Apple. The will try to ban any competitive device. They will tear every high end Samsung, Motorola, and HTC device apart until they find 1 of the trillions patents they've PURCHASED being infringed upon in order to eliminate products that they know a better than their featureless devices.

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 03:39 2

45. mandkeee (Posts: 82; Member since: 27 Feb 2009)


Judge Koh you did great job.....

samsung copied way too much stuffs from apple.....

and im telling you guys....from this website....most of users are love android....

so if you say something good about apple??? trust me...you will get bad reply...

posted on 01 Jul 2012, 05:13 3

64. TechDroid (Posts: 37; Member since: 14 Jun 2011)


Can you please put together coherent sentences, because all I'm seeing is words.

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