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Judge Koh asks Apple and Samsung to each lower the number of claims for 2014 patent trial

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Judge Koh asks Apple and Samsung to each lower the number of claims for 2014 patent trial
Apple and Samsung's second patent trial, "the thriller with manilla folders," is not scheduled to begin until late March of 2014. But already, Judge Lucy Koh has started to lay down some of the ground rules. In an order issued to both sides late Wednesday, the judge is requiring Apple and Samsung to limit the number of accused products to 10 for each side. Apple has an alternate proposal on the table which would allow each side to accuse "representative products" and if any of these are found to infringe on a patent, similar products can be included.

Koh is limiting both sides invalidity arguments (arguments made why the other company's patents are invalid) to 15. If each side were to claim that the other infringed on 5 patents for example, that would allow both firms to give three reasons why each patent is invalid. Judge Koh has limited the trial to 12 days which means that eventually we will see limits on the number of expert witnesses each side can present, and a limit on the amount of time that a witness can be questioned on the stand. This is nothing new as both sides faced similar limits during the first trial, which ended in a jury awarding Apple a huge award. Samsung is currently appealing the decision.

In December, Judge Koh will start making her summary judgment rulings which would leave either side with fewer patents to argue about. In a previous order, Koh ruled that for the summary judgment hearing each side would be limited to 10 claims from 5 patents. After the summary judgment rulings are made, starting on February 6th, each side would be limited to 5 claims for the actual trial.

source: electronista

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posted on 25 Apr 2013, 21:56 8

1. sheik (Posts: 249; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


sheesh, i am tired of this patents suing already

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 21:58 6

3. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Blame that bad fruit, who started all this™

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:14 3

8. Hemlocke (unregistered)


Is it tiring, being wrong all the time? Nokia launched the smartphone patent wars (Against Apple), followed by Samsung shamelessly and blatantly ripping off Apple. Do you think it was any accident that Samsung made components for the iPhone, then changed course and design language to create a phone that looked like the iPhone? Take off the fanboy blinders. There are very few reasonable people who don't agree that the Galaxy S was an iPhone copy.

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:25 6

9. raunak (Posts: 502; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


Samsung did copy Apple shamelessly though. First with Galaxy S and then with S-Voice.

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:54 4

12. Nephylim (Posts: 131; Member since: 04 Apr 2013)


@raunak
go to fk yourself

posted on 26 Apr 2013, 00:24 1

20. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


1) Samsung ACE is very similar to iPhone
2) SGS not so much
= SGS was sold more times than ACE = you lie = the design is important just to d*mb iShe*ps :)

my dear, use more logic...but I don't expect it from Apple customers :)

posted on 26 Apr 2013, 09:29 2

22. MEeee (Posts: 218; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Vocie Talk (now called S-Voice) existed in the S2 and released 6 months before 4S. What about iOS pulldown notification center?

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 23:32 4

17. chocolaking (Posts: 430; Member since: 22 May 2012)


I disagree..
Samsung Started all the copying from Apple's design from scratch.

posted on 26 Apr 2013, 00:23 3

19. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


you mean a rectangle and icons 50 years old, you brainwashed :)

and what do you say to stolen statusbar and every new feature in iOS stolen from Android? :)

posted on 26 Apr 2013, 00:21 1

18. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


don't forget that this state have caused just Apple+Microsoft because they are not able to compete, innovate

I know that there always had been some patent issues but rotten Apple+Microsoft have made it exaggerated

Microsoft has even bribed eg. Slovakia where you can not pay taxes without Windows!!! see:

bit [dot] ly/RYzOPP

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 21:56 2

2. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Apple stop that now you patent TROLLS™

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:03 3

4. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5214; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Geez........do they get tired of doing this stupid suing thing?

The story of SamDUNG v.s Fruit continues.............

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:03 1

5. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


AlanF who is FAUGUY in PA?

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:13 2

7. lyndon420 (Posts: 1712; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Uhmmm...his name is Ralph man!

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:07 1

6. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5605; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


And this could all be moot when the Appeals court rules. It is a shame that everything couldn't be suspended pending the ruling.

Attorneys gotta make McMansion payments and what-not, however, so the drama continues.

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:26 1

10. alpinejason (Posts: 262; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)


Thought Tim didn't believe in lawsuits

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 22:50 2

11. FlushGordon (unregistered)


A bit off topic, Been reading all about patents and I didn't know you could patent an agricultural seed. ... like storing/keeping a seed from a yielded crop is ILLEGAL and you could face detention or fine for doing such (Monsanto patents)....I was like wow...this is how totally F'ed up the US patent syatem is.

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 23:02

13. jsdechavez (Posts: 701; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


"the thriller with manilla folders,"
-laughing so hard on this. Only boxing people will know.

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 23:14 2

15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5605; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"Only boxing people will know."

Only those who were around before a certain point in time will know. Unless they are Ali fans. They would also know if they are Frazier fans, too.

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 23:06 1

14. yyuu1000 (Posts: 152; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)


just stop it

posted on 25 Apr 2013, 23:29 1

16. deadstroke (Posts: 113; Member since: 22 Jan 2013)


stop this crap!!

posted on 26 Apr 2013, 07:53

21. Aeires (unregistered)


Another circus getting ready to begin. 12 days for something of this magnitude isn't enough time for either side to make proper arguments. Koh is just placing ridiculous restraints on the trial, just like she did last time.

What should happen the next time is another judge should take the case. Koh is a rookie judge presiding on a case far above her skill level. Last trial proved her lack of experience, don't expect much different in the next one.

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