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Jony Ive pushing a flatter, simpler iOS design to the Apple design committee

0. phoneArena 21 Mar 2013, 16:49 posted on

It sounds like we may finally get our wish, Apple may finally update the UI of iOS. If you want to be kind, the UI on iOS is consistent; if you don't want to be kind, it's stale. Aside from the notification tray and adding a row of icons, the iOS UI hasn't really changed since the iPhone first hit the market, but it sounds like that is changing. Apparently, Jony Ive is even pushing a flatter, simpler iOS design to the Apple design committee...

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posted on 21 Mar 2013, 16:51 35

1. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3725; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)

Wait...what? It's possible to make iOS more simple than it already is? Any simpler & I doubt it will qualify for smartphone status anymore.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 18:06 6

25. jcarrigan (unregistered)

is there any way the ui on the Iphone could get any simpler? lol

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 17:38 3

13. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

If you ever work on an OS, you would know the software is generally bloated and full of bugs. I had a co-worker who a beta-tester for MicroSoft OS, and after a cut-off period, MS stopped fixing bugs.

Also, if you ever talk to any good programmer, i.e. when memory was scarce and expensive, they were forced to write great code. Today, with memory being so damn cheap, great code programming is a lost art.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 17:43 13

17. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

One big way iOS can become a bit simpler is in the look of it. One of the biggest pet peeves Apple employees in Cupertino had was the skeuomorphism in some of the apps. Some were well done while others left you wondering what faux leather had to do with finding my friends. Making these things universal throughout iOS would be an improvement. The iTunes update was a simplification as well, but not in look, but in function. There are a few new ways to look at your media, but overall, iTunes is simpler and easier to navigate. It still has the same features though.

Remember, Apple wants to appeal to as many folks as possible. They want to aim iOS at people who are frustrated with Android or Windows Phone/Windows RT. They aren't really trying to impress die hard Android fans. There is no wooing you guys :-)

But in the end, this is good news. The collaboration between software and hardware is absolutely needed. We'll see more features, more options. Maybe the friendlier environment will lead to better ideas instead of what we saw with Forstall.

Remember, simple may not mean basic function. Simple is consolidating. Making apps work with each other instead of being standalone. Simple is consistency throughout.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 17:48 9

21. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

Apple Insider has a pretty good write up fleshing out my point a bit more if you're interested in reading...http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/21/apples-ive-brings-software-hardware-teams-together-in-push-for-flat-design

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 17:57 13

22. AnTuTu (Posts: 1580; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)

Now they gonna copy Android, BB10 and WP8 platforms lolz

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 19:27

35. D.Aceveda (Posts: 396; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)

Well said midnight

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 18:50 6

31. Penny (Posts: 1661; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

Don't know why people thumbed you down JeffdaBeat. Guess people don't like hearing about the fall of skeuomorphism.

I agree with you, they should be aiming for consistency one way or the other. Given what is currently popular, I would wager that they will go the flat route, as suggested by Jony Ive.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 19:20 1

34. lyndon420 (Posts: 4727; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Well...if you want to get technical, from the carrier's standpoint, how often do you see the iphone listed under the smartphone category? You won't in Canada anyway.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 20:15 2

42. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

IOS Sucks!!!

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 20:53 10

46. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

Meh...it's the reason I don't post all that much. It's just gotten to the point where you can't say anything good about Apple without getting thumbed down...even if it does make sense. No conversation anymore.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 21:53 5

52. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)

I gave up on that a long time ago myself. I mean look at comment 42, how do you reason with ignorance?

I read your comment. I thought it was reasonable. The only problem is, like you said, you cant have a normal discussion here without some trolling all over it.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 23:51 3

60. gallison83 (Posts: 10; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

Defend your comment, please ZeroCide

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 23:12 6

56. quakan (Posts: 1391; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)

I agree...I've always thought your posts were well written and carefully thought out and I always liked reading your take on stuff but somehow this site became littered with trolls and platform extremists that have dampened the site's overall experience...but hey what do I know.

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 02:17 2

69. gallison83 (Posts: 10; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

I agree. Any article lately on PA that mentions Apple but doesn't mention Apple crumbling to pieces in some way leads to a massive flame war. On the flipside, when a PA article highlights a shortcoming at Apple, most of the comments start with "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" or something like that.

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 02:25

70. gallison83 (Posts: 10; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

Is there any way that the backend of Android could become as complex as iOS? Android's strength puts most of the control of the experience in the hands of the user and leaves very little for the kernel and backend to manage. iOS does admittedly limit your experience to what can be provided in the App Store, which must be coded by Xcode on a Mac. The trade off here is overall system stability. Facebook may force close on iOS on a weekly basis for me. In my year of ownership of two iPhones I have maybe experienced two times where the entire phone rebooted. Facebook on my Android tablet was able to bring the entire tablet down with a force close until it was updated.

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 02:55 2

71. ojdidit84 (Posts: 458; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

I'd just like to know what Android tablet you were using that could be brought to it's knees by Facebook force closing. I've had Facebook force close many a time before they made the native android app but I've never experienced even a phone or my tablet being brought down from a force close of any kind.

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 04:39

73. BitterTruth (unregistered)

Bitter Truth -_-

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 06:02

74. Aeires (unregistered)


From what I've heard out of Apple, Ive hates all the skeuomorphism so it won't be a surprise if it's reduced to a standard background across the OS. Is that what he means by "flatter?" Time will tell, as always with Apple.

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 12:52 1

80. Droiddoes (unregistered)

aplle sucks donkey labia

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 15:53

81. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

well you're wrong about Android because a lot is actually handled on the backend by the kernal. In fact android apps dont even run native technically but through a virtual machine. This is intentional design so that if an app malfunctions it will not affect the actual OS. Of course, this isn't ALWAYS the case, but that's how its designed to be.

posted on 23 Mar 2013, 10:27

82. roscuthiii (Posts: 2227; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

Wish you posted more though. While I have my own personal preferences of OS, I try to remain open to any and all possibilities as things develop.
You always seem to deliver an even handed & well reasoned perspective on all topics Apple, even while being an Apple user... which is a rarity on internet forums given the propensity of people to associate their own worth with the worth of their chosen branding (any branding - not specifically Apple) & live vicariously through their devices.
+1 to you.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 16:54 13

2. disneydad (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)

So it will become more like WP?

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 16:59 1

3. MartianMe (unregistered)

no one cares anymore as long as they don't steal the widgets idea from android.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 17:06 5

7. NE_BE (Posts: 19; Member since: 21 Mar 2013)

Half, no wait, over 70% off the people who buy android phones where i work don't know what a widget is, let alone that you can customize them...

If they wanna go simple, that won't be the direction they're going. Or at least it shouldn't be.

In my opinion widgets are small, mini, limited and thus useless versions of apps.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 17:25 7

12. kozza3 (Posts: 709; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)

why not educate yourself on how useful widgets are and then pass that knowledge onto your customers?

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 22:42

55. Tuxedo (Posts: 352; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)

I'm an S3 owner, and I see why Android needs all those widgets; you need to be able to easily toggle every single radio and sensor on the device because otherwise, it'll drain the life out of the phone. On the other hand, when I had the iP4, I had almost everything ON and battery life was great. Almost as if iOS took care of it all for you. Who is the smarter phone now? I got to admit iOS did a better job as an OS than Android does on my S3. You literally need to baby this thing. And all of those comments about iOS being just an app launcher... pure ignorance. An OS is much more than a GUI. GUI is just one of the elements of an OS.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 23:42

57. gallison83 (Posts: 10; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

I totally agree with you, Tuxedo. Apple has always been minimalist on the UI but EXTREMELY complex on the backend. Most people probably don't realize that iOS is forked from OS X, where a heavy emphasis on efficiency shows through most functions. Being the hardware and software vendor means that your consumer base doesn't have to fret over things like battery life or setting features.

posted on 21 Mar 2013, 23:56

61. gallison83 (Posts: 10; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

Aside from power users, the standard user does not use widgets. The standard user does not root. The standard user pretty much goes for things that they normally would do on their laptop. And most people never realize that you don't have to run Windows on a laptop.

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 01:09 2

66. infinitemethod (Posts: 150; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)

So I guess the sg3 having over an inch more of screen real estate or it being much more powerful than an iphone 4 has nothing to do with battery drain? Talk about ignorance...
Also, ios is an app launcher os. You still cant even truly multi task with it.

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