Jon Stewart talks with Siri about workers' conditions at Foxconn
0. phoneArena 17 Jan 2012, 08:54 posted on
There is always controversy around Foxconn's workers treatment, so no wonder that the company is planning to replace a lot of them with a million-strong robot army, and we are not kidding. Jon Stewart, however, entered a dialog with Siri about it, and the resulting snippet from last night's show, called "Fear Factory", is good laughs...
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1. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
wow a shot of brutal honesty from Stewart. of course he didn't mention the fact that each factory is treated differently depending on the client, with even foxconn saying that apple's chenzen factory being the worst of the worst.
20. Vrils (Posts: 29; Member since: 17 Sep 2011)
dude how the fuk do you KNOW???
have you been there or in any other COMMUNIST country?
in communism you have NO rights!
42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
foxconn has dozens of factories all over the third world.. most of them are in china. by comparison of other Chinese foxconn factories, the apple plants are the worst.. and they meet with apple's approval. that's my point. those jumper nets they showed were at the apple plant because they are the only one with a large suicide problem.
41. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
vrils how would you know that there isnt more than one factory?
because in america we do have rights and we also have this thing called the interwebs where you look stuff up :)
2. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
F**k that is just downright a violation to their so called human rights. Ahhmm. . . w8 this does make me wonder if human rights do exist in that f*cktory. . .
6. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
there are no human rights in china. what china calls human rights is.. the right to work yourself to death for next to nothing. thats about it. He might of said some things in a joking manor like the automatic prison sentence for trying to form a union, but it was also a true statement. Chinese prisons are not like American prisons. They might be 2 or 3 steps above Aushwitz. We treat our prisoners better than they treat their middle class.
16. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
It's always funny how Americans think they are better than everyone else. People still remember Americans had slavery until 1865.
18. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and in 1865, we still had better working conditions than the chinese. What is wrong with you? when they built the great wall so many centuries ago, they threw prisoners, dead people, and living dissenters into the wall to help build it with their bones.
good lord. So because we, like every other country, have some black spots on our history, we should never hold anyone accountable to minimum human rights??.. thats retarded.
21. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> and in 1865, we still had better working conditions than the chinese. What is wrong with you?
remixfa, why are you continue to make sh*t up. After 1865, the "white man" in America continue to eradicate the Native Americans as part of their manifest destiny. Then the "white man" led the remaining native Americans live in reservations with horrible conditions.
After 1865, the white man in the South continued to lynch and harass the blacks in America. Have you not heard of the KKK or the effects of racial segegration until the Civil Rights of the 1960's.
America has a lot of black spots and we shoudn't think Americans are pure as Snow White.
23. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and in comparing it to china.... wow. thanks for the history lesson about "the white man". could you be more racist? seriously. Instead of throwing the most vague bullet points about america, why dont you take the challenge and learn about china from 1700s to now. According to them, they have made huge strides in human rights compared to just how violent they used to be. America has black spots on its history for human rights, china's entire history is a black streak. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.. like normal. im surprised you didnt start your comment with "to the RVI".. which is an immediate flag that whatever is about to follow in your comment is completely off base.
25. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
here is a nice PC version of china's history in the 1800s with many of the bloody parts washed down. What horrific acts americans did to their slaves, the chineese government did to its entire population. and the 1800's were not even among the bloodiest century in china's history.
get a clue
29. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> the chineese government did to its entire population
Oh please, it was a rebellion due to someone who was a fanatic thinking he was related to Jesus Christ. You are making sh*t up as usual and getting more desperate along the way.
Per your link, it was the British Empire that was trying to get the chinese population hooked on drugs so the British Empire could get silver to buy more tea from China. Here we have the British Empire being the biggest drug dealer of all times. The British are not exactly thrilled with this part of their past, nor the colonization of several native countries around the world. Do you know how many natives the British eradicated as part of their world domination?
22. jbash (Posts: 342; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
and to think Mississippi didn't ratify the 13th amendment until 1995(even though it still isn't officaially notified to the US Archivest)
28. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> there are no human rights in china. what china calls human rights is.. the right to work yourself to death for next to nothing.
remixfa, will you STOP making racist remarks. You are always making generalization and sterotypes. If you want to know about human rights, you go to the UN:
Here's ONE FACT you don't get, mainland China, the People's Republic of China, is a COMMUNIST country. Taiwan, the Republic of China, is a democratic country.
Here's Wiki's take on humans rights in mainland China:
33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you really are an idiot. just saying.. oi.
bring back gallito. at least he tried to be funny with his stupid remarks. you actually think your right. .lol
36. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
If you think about what remix is saying, you'll see the man is right. And this isn't the 1860' we're talking about here. It's what is happening now in the year 2012.
America has some serious atrocities in it's history, and some of the after effect are still being felt to this very day. But at least there are laws that prevent things like 35 hour work days, child labor, and the types of abuse that many (Not all) workers in China have to put up with in order to live. America has a long way to go, but why is it so bad to want better for workers in other countries too?
I agree with the comment remix made about the prisoners in America as well. Prisoners here get free room, board clothing, gym memberships (kinda), free health care, dental, vison, medication, psychiatric care and counseling. They get free vocational training, free education and even college degrees. College degrees!!! I'm still paying off student loans and these guys have the option to get it for free!
Anyway, all I'm saying is I use to have their job, and it looked much better here than how it looks over there. We didn't need nets to stop jumpers, we didn't share rooms with 8 strangers, and at the end of an eight hour shift I was allowed to go home. It would be nice if they had those options as well.
44. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Dude, you're full of sh*t. You hate apple and now talking s**t about China. America (i.e. Apple) and China (i.e. Foxconn) have been in bed for a while. Our country is the brokest one today cause China makes and sells all kinda stuff for cheap. Nothing's wrong with their quality. Ironically, it's communism that made it possible and our democratic country is their biggest customer. You and your fool friends go buy those stuff every day and now you guys are talking about human rights. F**k off.
45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
shouldn't thumb yourself up... lol. actually we had this conversation a while ago about what is made in foxconn Chinese factories and I own very little stuff that was made in foxconn-china... and have bought nothing from them since learning of this crap.
you are a sad sad individual .. lol.
46. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I guess you even can't read and claimed you haven't bought anything made by sweatshops . Listen up, fool - your beloved Samsung is another sweatshop where even the VPs kill themselves once in a while. LMFAO. Educate your ignorant a** a bit more, try not to comprehend literally and then you can try to sound smart.
47. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Oh, thanks for the tip on thumbing up. Now I can safely think there is one less fool out there.
3. eaxvac (Posts: 328; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
America needs to do much more to move those jobs back to their shores by incentives, tax reduction, and improve productivity with technology.
4. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
shame to apple
the mountain of money of apple comes from the work and life of poor people
5. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
A problem very easily solved: Manufacture your products in the US!!!! And just the other day i heard about the obscene "bonus" of 100 million or so that Apple's CEO paid himself.
7. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
obscene? i love when people use that word.. almost as much as i love the word greed. because it means u have no idea about business and just follow liberal propaganda.
eaxvac was right on the money. The best thing we can do is get off our current tax system. Its confusing, way too complex, and its the 2nd highest in the world. That is the reason companies leave america and go to hell holes like china. its not greed, its survival. Of course companies like Apple would have to give up their massive profit margins (or charge even more) to move manufacturing to america, so why would they?
If you want the world to make stuff here, we have to offer the best packages and incentives. The best thing we could do would be the Fair Tax. Good luck getting any president or candidate to fight for that though.
8. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
If our tax system is the second highest in the world, how is it that so many large companies (G.E. for example, Exxon is another) get away with paying nothing (or, obscenely enough, get paid a rebate by the govt.)?
9. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it helps if you give a million dollars to the president's election fund like they did with obama. they also got into a bunch of areas that were government incentivized and pretended to do things.. on and dont forget the classic hide trillions overseas where the government cant tax them.
you pick a small handful of examples out of thousands and thousands of companies in america. The average corporate tax rate is like 35%. And do you know who that gets pushed to? The consumer. Businesses dont actually pay taxes, they filter them through down onto the cost of their products. All taxes paid are embedded into the cost of goods sold. So when you vote to raise taxes on "evil greedy corporations", your raising taxes on yourself. politicians know this, but they know u dont.. so it makes for a great demagogue platform.
tax rates in america are a joke and kill jobs.
10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Corporations have been buying politicians since before the tax act was passed. Net-net, no corporation worth its salt pays anywhere near the published tax rate, so complaining about high corporate tax rate is disengenuous in the extreme.
Typically economic factors are what kill jobs in the U.S. If a widget can be built overseas (China) and landed in the U.S. for half what it can be produced for in the U.S., the widget gets built overseas. This is also referred to as labor-cost arbitrage. Of course, labor conditions in China are dramatically different than they are in the U.S., so the playing field is anything but equal.
12. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its not disengenuous in the least. in order to get around those tax laws they pay dozens of people thousands of professional man hours to find loop holes, breaks, pay bribes, and the like. Only the largest of companies can afford to do so. You are mistaken. Most companies are not mega corperations, they are mom and pop and S-Corps most which employ less than 50 people. Tell me how they can afford to pay laywers and accountants and lobbyists please. They cant.
Instead of all that, just revamp the tax code all together. We dont NEED the worlds most complex tax code.. which is what we have. When our Secretary of treasury says he didnt pay enough taxes because he didnt understand the tax law, like Obama's Gietner did... then we have a SEVERE problem with the tax code.
All roads lead to taxes. China gives huge tax incentives and breaks to companies to make stuff in their country. They wouldnt take the negative PR for Chinese working conditions if they were only saving 5-10%. They are saving 20% in taxes alone.. not even counting the workers conditions.
14. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Unfortunately, you are the one who is mistaken. A sub-S corporation pays zero tax (the corporation's earnings are passed to the shareholders who pay whatever their individual tax rate is). Same for LLCs (partners pay taxes, not the LLC). Sub-S and LLC is the predominant small business form in the U.S. (other than sole proprietorship, which is also taxed at individual rate).
Tax code certainly needs re-vamping, but when Barry wanted to include that in the grand bargain on the debt this past summer, Johnny couldn't close the deal with his caucus. So gridlock continues. Both Ds and Rs are guilty and the tax code continues to get more complex. But corporate tax rate is not the reason jobs are moving offshore.
15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
doug.. go look at corperate and individual tax rates. Most sub S corps that have more than 1 or 2 individuals make 200k+ that are paid in personal income taxes. I am well aware of how Scorps and LLCs work. I already put the link on taxes in the previous post. :)
The individual tax rate for anyone 178k or higher is 32%. If they make more than $388k its 35% taxes.. which is same as large corporate taxes. Again, how does that help grow jobs?
Its not just the straight taxes, its also all the fees that government throws on.. regulatory fees, licencing fees ( which is just a nice way of saying TAX) obamacare fees, welfare fees, and so much more.
35. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
In an effort to get things back on track...
remixfa, we started this discussion with the premise that corporate taxes in the U.S. are the 2nd highest in the world and as a consequence, constraining the creation of jobs. Now, we have moved to the premise that individual tax rates are too high and that the high tax rates are a disincentive to growing jobs.
I would give you something to consider that Warren Buffet said about tax rates and investment decisions. I am paraphrasing, but the gist of what Warren Buffet said was that taxes did not influence his decision process regarding whether to invest in a particular deal or not. The single most important consideration in whether to invest or not was the return on his investment. Taxes were a consideration after return on investment thresholds were met.
Taxes are a necessary expense that everyone pays to enjoy the fruits of living and working in the U.S.A. Roads must be maintained, legal systems must be operated, and, and, and. The concept of running up the credit card balance in the belief that it is possible to have ones cake and eat it at the same time is a fairy tale. The tea party would cut everything other than defense spending by government. They don't have control over all 3 branches of government, and so they don't get to dictate life in the U.S.A.
Their response has been to attempt to wage a form of economic terrorism by threatening to burn the house down if they don't get their way. The events of the last half of 2011 are a pretty good example of what life would be under control of the three branches of government by the tea party.
17. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Same old remixfa, making sh*t up like usual.
> The best thing we can do is get off our current tax system. Its confusing, way too complex, and its the 2nd highest in the world.
No, the US doesn't have the second highest tax system in the world.
Check out this link:http://economix.blogs.nytimes.
Socialist countries have far higher tax rates than in the US. Countries like Denmark and Sweden provider a consider amount of services to its own citizens and hence the obscene tax rates.
19. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Same old ardent.. inflammatory, insulting, and WRONG
first off, stick to the subject, we are talking about CORPORATE TAX RATES.
second off, try to get something CURRENT, its not 2009, its 2012.
hey, look who's #2 in CORPORATE TAX RATES in the world with an article made in LATE 2011.
24. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> first off, stick to the subject, we are talking about CORPORATE TAX RATES.
Actually, I am talking about corporate tax rates because in ECONOMICS, it's not the tax rates per se, it the tax burden because the corporation CAN SHIFT THE BURDEN OF THE TAXES. What is the point of taxing a company if the company passes that tax to the end user meaning it's the end user that bears the burden of the tax!!
remixfa, you obviously never studied Public Policy or the comparable Economic course in college. It's called "Tax Incidence" because the tax rate is irrelevant if the tax burden can be shifted. It's ultimately WHO BEARS THE BURDEN of the tax!!
26. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i didnt just study economics, i also ran businesses. i am quite aware first hand how taxes are shifted, and if you actually BOTHERED TO READ anything before u saw my name and blindly attacked with your innacurate and wrong statements, we already talked about that.
nice fail though.. dont you have an ant to burn with a magnifying glass or something?
31. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> i also ran businesses
Did your businesses do laps? Or were they the kind of business that did tricks and play dead on command?
> i am quite aware first hand how taxes are shifted
If you were aware that taxes can be shifted, then how come you weren't aware the dangers of quoting tax rates as they can be meaningless.
27. jbash (Posts: 342; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
not saying either one is right here.
never took economics, but wikipedia is your source?
everyone knows that wikipedia is not an enyclopedia it is very flexible with its source of information. why not use a source from one of you college books that your proud of.
32. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
I use wikipedia since it's written for the general population who wants fast and easy-to-understand analysis of the topic.
If you want to study it further, go to this link:
log/show/1467.htmlthat wiki references. That site has a good example of why corporate taxes themselves are misleading due to the incidence of the tax, i.e. shifting the burden of the tax.
37. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Here's where I agree with you 100%. Companies in this country need to be paying higher taxes, period. The "JOB CREATORS" haven't used a dime of all that tax money to create jack sh*t, and yet people in office want to give the MORE tax breaks!
And it kills me how the rich in this country keep getting richer off the backs of middle class workers, who ironically keep voting in the same people who seem hell bent on...DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS! Not trying to start anything here...I'm just saying>
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
punishing success by taking more of their money does not create jobs. if u want to create jobs u need rewards not punishment. just get rid of income tax and go to a consumption only sales tax that you cant get rid of, tax breaks on, or special obama tax pardons on. not only does it make us a tax haven for corperations which will bring them and jobs here, it will make everyone pay "their fair share" including illegals and drug dealers that currently pay nothing and only suck from the system. you dont tax food and regular clothes, but if u want an ipod, tv, or car, your going to pay that tax.
11. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
remixfa,shouldnt you be on the Fox news website???
30. jbash (Posts: 342; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
the best show would feature a debate between sniggly and 530gemini, the miz and anyone with an IQ over 10, gallitoking and remixfa. i would make some popcorn and sit back and watch the fun
34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i would like to debate sniggly, proto, jeff, and king as they are among the highest tier of tech/cell knowledge on the site with myself.. problem is, i normally agree with them. lol.
kinda funny how that works.
40. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
politics on a phone website...this will be fun