Jolla provides a video tour of its upcoming Sailfish OS
0. phoneArena 31 Dec 2012, 03:40 posted on
There is a lot of excitement building for Jolla’s MeeGo based Sailfish operating system, here is a little more to feed the excitement...
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1. wendygarett (unregistered)
I almost confused and I thought this is the another bb10 lol :s
2. wendygarett (unregistered)
Slide to edit and delete the contact? Wtf!!! What if I want to slide to edit but accidentally to delete the contact? Redo the platform please...
Otherwise no apps dev love for you...
15. Aeires (unregistered)
I'm sure there's a confirmation step to avoid problems like that.
17. wendygarett (unregistered)
One hand user like me will surely accidentally did that :)
35. sarb009 (Posts: 263; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Yes u ll. Because u r the dumbest person in phonearena's comments.
21. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
I dunno why you are so confused??
I just loved that UI concept!
3. MeoCao (unregistered)
So far I'm very disappointed with Jolla. Sailfish is now a proprietary and they still fail to make a case why some1 should support Sailfish.
Sailfish offers only some cosmetic differences from Android and short on features. The work at Jolla is painfully slow.
Jolla needs help to survive and Nokia can be a perfect match.
12. eisenbricher (Posts: 962; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
In this war of giants Jolla is really small. And so far I'm glad to see what they have achieved. Though I'm skeptical as well.
Only cosmetic changes? You never know what's running behind, man from looking at UI. I love the new concepts.
As you might have noticed the demo phone they are using is Nokia N950 (Not too sure) which is running some old TI chip maybe. Still the OS looks pretty fluid to me. There are some hiccups, but far too less. Load android on this and see how bad it'll start to lag.
The 'True' multitasking is huge plus. And just mentioning, True multitasking isn't easy on hardware, it can painfully slow the overall performance. If they achieve good performance with true multitasking, they're all good for a break!
Their initial phone will run maybe a Snapdragon MSM8960 or pro, to be optimistic. Everything will just get a lot better at end!
14. MeoCao (unregistered)
I know that Sailfish will target low end market just as WP7 now and that's why it can run on low specs. (I don't think WP8 can run as smooth on low specs as WP7)
But then that's disapointing as Sailfish does not offer anything new to the industry.
19. eisenbricher (Posts: 962; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
These days we all keep crying that we want something 'New'. Everything's already covered up pretty much by present OSes. So what new? They try their best, make some improvements. We still cry that this isn't innovation.
This is analogous to inventions done in back centuries and in present. Back then all we need was a coil, a magnet and an iron rod to make an invention. Today that concept is long gone. Huge groups of people invent something complex.
Imagine what if patent system existed back then. Imagine if electricity, telephone conversations, even simple pulley system was patented...
Sole purpose of saying this is, we need to refresh concept of 'New'.
20. MeoCao (unregistered)
It's OK to have patents, it's only wrong that people abuse patents.
a patent has effect for about 15 years, utility patents : 10 years so pulleys patents must have been expired by now, no worries.
Sailfish needs some big innovation to survive, look at how MS has lots of troubles without innovation.
Why do you think people should choose Sailfish over other OSes?
36. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Android apps support + better performance on same hardware + modern UI. Much better choice than Android, for both users and manufacturers.
22. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
Why do you think that sailfish os is somewhat similar to android??
Any proof from the video??
Right, that Jolla needs help to survive in the market but one should remeber that they are still beginners with a small name.
They aren't Google or Microsoft.
Sailfish OS realle needs some internation coverage and popularity.
Actually I was amazed to see the UI smoothness on the developer phone which only had a single core TI processor(that too of some old varient)
Good luck Jolla!!
42. MeoCao (unregistered)
What innovation do you see from Sailfish?
b-c Sailfish is new it must have big innovation to stand out and survive.
43. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
Thre are few UI elements or features that we haven't seen before on any platform..
To name a few-
--> The ambience concept ((Customizing the colour of UI elements (including fonts and menus) to match the content of the picture))...
--> Push feature for back / notifications...
--> intuitive hand gestures...
--> Sailfish OS also supports true multitasking (remeber that android too doesn't support tru multitasking)
44. MeoCao (unregistered)
I don't think Sailfish can support multitasking and be smooth on low specs (from the video it can not run a single simple task let alone true multitasking).
And I don't know why you say Android does not have true multitasking?
All new UI elements of Sailfish are little nice at best and cumbersome (requiring change of habits) at worst.
Sailfish need some innovation of Android notification center caliber and not those small things are not enough.
46. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
nokia n950 hardware
Chipset TI OMAP 3630
CPU 1 GHz Cortex-A8
GPU PowerVR SGX530
did you see lag, stutter, lock ups, freeze, random restart?
this is the epitome of low specs...
i swear you might be one of the most ill informed or blatantly biased person here
47. MeoCao (unregistered)
no lags? LMAO
The man is very careful and makes a single slow gesture at a time, then he waits and makes another 1. We still can see lags especially when launching apps.
And all that is w/o any multitasking partial or not.
48. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
i feel that you are one of those persons that would deny your mother if she says [insert product here] is better than android....
you dont get paid by google... you dont own google stock... every other company besides google crashing and burning would not benefit you in any way shape size or form
jeez... just enjoy tech and have fun with life... accept the fact that not everybody shares your undying devotion to android
49. MeoCao (unregistered)
And you a the rudest pig ever I met.
50. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
first time for everything I guess...
are you a girl?
only girls call people pigs...
unless i'm a cop...
wait... am i...? nope...
4. tryingHARD (Posts: 64; Member since: 31 Dec 2012)
more of bb10. nice to see some new OSes. i never used android! and never will! always an iOS user, but i will try these and BB10.
23. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
And I've never used iOS and never will!
Always an Android user(since froyo)
5. SIGPRO (Posts: 325; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
BB 10 looks like the N9/N950.....looks like they copied the design!
9. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 373; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
its not bb10!!! theres a nokia logo on the top
7. SportDriver (Posts: 26; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
I like it. It is something new, but i do not know if there will be enaugh apps.
8. SIGPRO (Posts: 325; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
There will be enough apps, Sailfish will support Android apps :)
You can run Android apps on it!
18. SportDriver (Posts: 26; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
Are you sure about that ? Becuse if this would hava PLAY store ported on it from Android i am ready to buy it.
24. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
But, will Google allow them to use PLAY STORE??
It's against the google's AOSP policy..
(Can you please provide a link to any any article or matter where its stated that JOLLA wwill use android apps??)
51. SIGPRO (Posts: 325; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
Sailfish will support Android app without any mods, i don't know about Google play byt you can install Android Apps.
Here is 1 link, but Jolla also confirmed it.
25. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
"JOLLA IS UNLIKE"
means that they haven't tried to copy any thing from any other mobile OS...
11. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
The amount of ignorance on this thread is nauseating... To the person worried about editing and deleting a contact, does anything ever get deleted without confirmation? This is not bb10. If you ever used meego then you would know the difference. Plus dont worry about apps. Meego plays android apps. I even have jelly bean. I bet you're still stuck on gingerbread. The majority here have not even tasted ice cream sandwich and if it weren't for launchers never will. What drives someone the attack everything non android? I bet I have more android phones than you yet I dont rush to defend android. Name the android phone you have and mine eats yours alive yet... I gots no love for android. I've long past the honeymoon stage. Android development has stagnated. Fandroids are the new ifans. Except while apple is going lighter and thinner, android is going bigger screens and more battery depleting specs. The user experience is still the same. Walls and walls of dead icons. That is where bb10, jolla, wp, firefox os and tizen come in. Something new. They may not be instant hits but they are refreshing. Change is good. I welcome all new comers. Sadly with ifans and fandroids so entrenched, defending companies of which they neither have shares or jobs, I fear only a select few like me would embrace it. Plus I dont have any carrier subsidies or contracts so I just buy the phones outright
13. eisenbricher (Posts: 962; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Gaz your wise words are good to see on PA.
16. Aeires (unregistered)
Walls and walls of dead icons? Not sure I really understand that because there's an app drawer in Android, and if they're still dead, it's because you downloaded an app that you don't use.
As for Sailfish, there are some things I like and some I'm not fond of. That's typical with just about any OS though. Regardless of that, I hope this takes off and becomes a solid alternative to the big systems out there right now, choice is always good. With Android app support, they've definitely gotten a great start, good luck to them and their developer community to make this a smash hit.
26. shuaibhere (Posts: 686; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Actually the amount of ignorance on android is more in you.. no one said about android here...you are the one hating android more....
As for me I welcome every open source OS...
45. MeoCao (unregistered)
Sailfish is not open.
27. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
Best comment on this article!
Nice to see people like you on PA !
41. MeoCao (unregistered)
Very dumb comment, all you can say is change. Not all changes are the good. There are bad changes too.
You are a WP fan so don't pretend to be a independent voice and attack Android from high moral ground.
"android is going bigger screens and more battery depleting specs"
what you criticize is called progress and innovation. WP is efficient? Do you know how big WP file is with much less functionalities?
We all want good changes but the marketplace is cruel and only the best survive. WP has tonnes and tonnes of MS money, Tizen has SS and Intel backing...
for Sailfish it must have some strong backing or some big innovations to survive and this video does not show us such innovation.
52. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Dude, Android is inefficient, fragmented, unstable, full of viruses and controlled by a big brother company. Terrible OS.
56. Aeires (unregistered)
The only thing you said that was true was "Dude."
28. GoBears (Posts: 279; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
That dude's thumbnail creeped me out so bad I couldn't even finish the video lol. Personally I don't care for all the sliding options but to each their own! Good to see fresh innovation whether it's good or bad.
29. networkdood (Posts: 5248; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Soon, you can have Jolla on a high end Android phone.....watch for updates from XDA on this.
30. jibraihimi (Posts: 527; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Mobile ecosystem is becoming so confusing and complicated......... There are already three or four major platforms i.e ios, Android, WP, and Blackberry; and now we are going to see so many new platforms like Jolla, Tizen, WebOs, Firefox Os, etc......... It's good that there will be so many option for mobile OS, but it will also confuse the consumers, and if customer is divided among all the mobile OS, then we will loose the advantage of ecosystem that we are getting now................ Hope there are only 3-4 or maximum 5 mobile ecosystems, anything more than this will be very complicated.........
31. ckoch125 (Posts: 163; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Doesn't look to bad. The more options the better
32. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
@jibraihimi they all use the same UI concept, the grid/pc style, except one. Something about the grid that makes people feel at home.
33. ucancallmenickk (unregistered)
I had a Nokia N9 a little while ago, it was super easy to use and beautiful, this new concept looks to have made it a little too complex, I don't like the way they changed the multitasking. If they could make a N9 with a better screen, camera, and processor, I'd be sold. For now, sticking to my Lumia 920.
34. allen83 (Posts: 104; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)
Reality check they did not copy bb10 or wp. They did the ui almost like the n9 because they are the ones that did the swipe ui kn the n9. They can't be sued because they are the ones that invented it. And n9 has a single core hardware, jolla now will be using the novathor platform which runs on dual core. Imagine on a single meego runs smooth what will it be when it runs on dual core right.
38. motty (Posts: 84; Member since: 13 Dec 2012)
If it is true multitasking The icon/button should be clickable instead of swiping it to left and right to play the music... So what is the use of two icons which play or pause and next button
40. wp7tribes (Posts: 52; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
another OS copying Microsoft
now we have three copiers BB10 android and jolla
53. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
lmao, like if Microsoft didn't copy from others...
54. tasior (Posts: 94; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
I like it. We can see, that developers focus on one hand usage, which is getting more and more problematic because of constantly growing screens. That's refreshing.
I have ICS on comparable to N950 hardware, and I must say, I'm very disabointed with constant lagging. It doesn't work faster than my N97 with 433MHz 128mb ram. Every platform, that doesn't eat that much computing power is very welcome. In my opinion Android acts like Windows Vista. It's cute and all, but it consumes almost everything hardware can offer.