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Jobs tells WSJ that Flash is a dying technology
On a recent trip to the Big Apple, THE BIG Apple, Steve Jobs, visited newspaper publishers with an iPad. Trying to gain some positive publicity for his latest gadget, Jobs was asked about the lack of Flash on the device. Jobs replied that, "We don't spend a lot of energy on old technology." He told the WSJ that Flash is a "CPU hog" and a source of "security holes" besides being buggy. He compared Flash to other types of technology which might have been standards in its day, but which Apple got users to stop relying on. Such standards as the floppy drive, which the iMac never used, old data ports-even the Apple Firewire 400-now gone from iPods and Macbooks, and CD's which have been replaced by iTunes. Jobs told the journal staff that if the iPad CPU had to spend time working on Flash, its battery life would drop from 10 hours to 1.5 hours. The CEO suggested that the WSJ use H.264 for video. The problem there is that Flash still is best at putting together rapid deployment of interactive graphics. Plus, H.264 is covered by a patent which could end up making it very expensive. But we get the gist of the comments. Jobs is saying that if all Apple products get by without Adobe's software, Flash will soon disappear from the face of the earth. Uh, iPhone users, time to stop asking when your handset will get Flash.

source: VALLEYWAG via arstechnica

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posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:45

1. hmcougar09 (Posts: 137; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Whoa, 10 hours to an hour and a half. I think that's a bit exaggerated. Come on now, seriously?

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 16:33

13. fahkyermahther1 (Posts: 4; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)


What a pretentious deuscher!

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:13

2. vzw fanman (Posts: 1971; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


he's just mad that adobe has no plans of releasing flash for the iphone.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 18:44

20. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


That's not true fanboy, adobe already developed a version for the iphone, but it was Steve who rejected for whatever reason he considers it isn' t good for the iphone, I don't know why apple decides to not use flash, the iphone browser will be the ultimate mobile internet device, btw the iphone is way ahead of the competition no matter what the fanboys says...!!!

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 20:03 1

26. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


1) i guess he hates flash in all forms.. including flash for the iphones.. camera! LOL 2) Doggie, can you tell me exactly how iphone is ahead of the competition in anyway other than raw sales? Is that 2mpx camera with no flash or video, top notch? How about the ability NOT to multitask? Or the mentality that says thowing all your icons on screen after screen is waaay better than customizing your front page and widgets.... Or that removable battery or insurance? And that great "we just got MMS and Voice recognition, we have no idea what to do with adobe flash, so therefore its outdated even though everyone uses/wants it..." mentality.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 20:35

27. hmcougar09 (Posts: 137; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Pretty sure that Blackberry is better.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 21:00

29. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


Simple: has the best and most user friendly mobile browser, the apple store has no compare. Isn't that enough....????

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 21:44

30. vzw fanman (Posts: 1971; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


the droid's browser is pretty comparable to the iphones. have you ever used the android market? i'm sure the apps are very similar. once the iphone 4g comes out, then you have a right to brag bro, but until then, take your gaytoyphone and shove it.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 01:38

32. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


Yes i tested android in all of its versions, i think is a good UI but safari mobile is more powerfull, more easy to use and has a faster response rather tha other cellphones. BTW the iphone is a toy u wish anything and u will sell ur own ass to see it one day with th VZW logo.......U got to wait a lot to pick up on ur store not at this time with that retarded and obsolete CDMA network...!!!!

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 02:13

33. kilari (Posts: 49; Member since: 28 Oct 2009)


http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple.html Apples EVIL, even Cracked finally said so. Fuhrer Jobs controls all, the iNazis are spreading, and the Apple Reich is upon us. You have to question why people embrace control insted of freedom. Look at the stranglehold Apple has on it's users and they love Apple for it. They don't realize the evil in the company because they're too busy dreaming of Hope and Change in the computer industry. Just like the American people don't see the evil in the Democrats socialist adjenda. You're voting for Apples Dictator ways with your dollar, just like you voted for the Socialist Dictator ways in this last election. Some of us Americans are so stupid right now, you're giving power positions to the wrong people. Wake up, see the evil, vote the other way, stop reinforcing it. Simple. If you must know, I voted Constitution Party, and own WebOS. HAIL JOBS!

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 06:53

36. becazican (unregistered)


kilari,i have to comment on that, last election what choice did the american people have, at least in cell phones we do. either mccain who is so old and changes his vote which ever way the wind blows and picks an idiot to be his running mate. that is scary. the republican party is no constitutional party as they would like to do away with it. read the rise and fall of the third reich , the republican handbook, facism will come to this country wrapped in a flag and bible. so to the real topic, apple revolutionized the cellphone and computer industry, it kept microsoft from being the nazi it was becoing. i love my mac but i love my droid too.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 09:25

39. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


He hates flash because he knows app developers could potentially use that to create apps for his devices and bypass the app store, basically hes making a huge friggin deal about flash to protect his gold encrusted pockets. It makes perfect business sense but hes still an uber tool

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 10:47

44. vzw fanman (Posts: 1971; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


the fact that you used the word retarded, you deserve gayt&t and the gayphone!

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 12:22

45. Fanboys Suck (Posts: 609; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)


Ok palin fanman... wow... can't use certain words... we might offend someone... you retard.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 13:02

46. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


Man...are we still talkin cell phones?

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 16:42

47. vzw fanman (Posts: 1971; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


fuck you.

posted on 22 Feb 2010, 10:38

48. vzw fanman (Posts: 1971; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


meanie.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:15

3. biggie3d (Posts: 17; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)


Steve Jobs, you freaking moron. You sit here and bash Flash, but you have nothing to combat it. All of your precious iPhone users want Flash, but guess what,you're never gonna get it because of this idiot. If you say Flash is soon going to disappear from the face of the Earth, why don't you have anything in the meantime to give your users what they want?

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 06:07

35. cat_glove (Posts: 1; Member since: 20 Jun 2009)


Well said Bigs. I think that Commandante Jobs has missed the point, his smaller machines across the board are generally hardware un-upgradeable so he has to rely on apps to stop his small machines becoming obscelete quickly and justify the price tag. If you renamed flash an app, would this make the his supremeness happy? From a tree hugging, panda high-fiving point of view I have plenty of friends who have mp3 players or phones that they just changed the memory card on, a small change and no need to create a new machine. The entire policy of making machines automatically obselete seems selfish and wasteful to me. On another subkect, I did notice that for a set of products that tout themselves on simplicity the Apple flagship store in London seems full of women, older men and trendy types who need to have things explained to them and this isn't a coincidence as there seems to be no queue and one technician to each customer even at lunchtimes,explaining things to them. I've never seen so many staff. This means that either a) Apple products are hard to use b) Apple customers are attention seekers c) Apple customers are not too bright d) Scared whitless of technology I then went to Maplins after this and noticed that it was full of men...and no-one was asking questions other than "where is this product please". So most people who go to this shop seem quite clued up and are clearly not scared of technology. At the end of the day Apple phones are toys for simple people who don't understand or want to have to understand PCs. On the other hand I know Apple's reputation along technical technical/musical/media lines is the best, no comparison. My mother has been using Apple products as a graphic designer and illustrator for the best part of 20 years so I'm extremely familliar with this. So in conclusion, Jobs....I like the look of your prods, your standards of customer service seem unrivalled but you're still a self centered, egotistical, bell-end. So no chance I'll give you penny one of my hard earned cash.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 09:30

40. whocares (Posts: 235; Member since: 19 Dec 2009)


a) get a life. who types that much on cell phone forums lol b) i dont think you should call apple user "not too bright" if you think the products are hard to use c) APPLE USERS SEEK ATTENTION AHAHAHA wow you need a life bad

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:15

4. Legacystar (Posts: 131; Member since: 31 Dec 2009)


That's all he ever gives are exaggerated bs. Everytime an apple crashes is because of flash? I highly doubt that

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:20

5. adixxx (Posts: 18; Member since: 26 Jan 2010)


That's why I really love Steve Jobs. He entertains us, PLUS iphone fanboys try hard to defend him...

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:22

6. GlenF (Posts: 50; Member since: 02 Nov 2009)


Everytime an angel get it's wings, a child gets a transplant, Shaun White gets a gold medal and the economy improves, it's because of apple, Steve jobs in particular Everything bad is everyone else's fault

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:28

7. zer0 (Posts: 6; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)


Steve Jobs you are a dying technology..........

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 17:36

14. ILOVEtechnology (unregistered)


that was gay, zero. are you going to start pointing and laughing? Zer0 dates transexuals.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 19:00

21. zer0 (Posts: 6; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)


im a chick...... i do date people with nutrolls

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:29

8. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


One of the Adobe staff must have slept with his boyfriend or something to get him so upset and against flash! Certainly not old technology, id say CURRENT technology...

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 19:19

22. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


WRONG. you can argue that flash is everywhere, but compared to any other software out there it is awful. it is buggy and worst of all a tremendous security risk for any device it runs on. Adobe is incredibly slow with updates and patches.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 09:17

38. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Agreed...however we dont have a replacement thats as widespread or as flexible as Adobe Flash...so its still CURRENT technology

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 15:58

9. theman10 (Posts: 93; Member since: 16 May 2009)


Okay, I work for Sprint, but Steve Jobs is amazing with everything he has done. Even if you don't like his products they are amazing and very very very intuitive. He is one of the best business men in the world with a net worth of over 5 billion. So shut up if he didn't put freaking flash on his product, obviously people like his stuff.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 17:38

15. ILOVEtechnology (unregistered)


All of these people are fucking haters, every last one of them. He has his opinions about flash, most people know that apple products are reliable. He brought apple from shit to being a top innovating company!

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 18:35

19. Nobodey (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Jan 2010)


Jobs told the journal staff that if the iPad CPU had to spend time working on Flash, its battery life would drop from 10 hours to 1.5 hours. Thats not stated as an opinion. It is stated as fact. Oh and Apple/Jobs owes much of its success to.. (drumroll) Microsoft's undying need to not be broken up into multiple companies because it is considered a monopoly. That of course is the reason Microsoft kept Apple above water for so long until the iMac finally came out.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 09:36

41. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Yea so congratulations to Apple for being successful after suckling off Microsofts teet

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 16:11

10. idiotwind13 (Posts: 80; Member since: 29 Dec 2008)


Just like MMS is antiquated technology, so the iPhone didn't need it huh? Optical drives may be on their way out too but that doesn't mean that computers shouldn't have them anymore. You are selling a device now, not in the future. Stop being such a pompous idiot.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 19:34

25. Legacystar (Posts: 131; Member since: 31 Dec 2009)


wow +1000 to this

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 16:12

11. Mateo8326 (Posts: 472; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


Just get a program to convert the format i have one which sucks that i have to do that thought to run a flash, but it's not really worth it

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 16:20

12. rockstar323 (Posts: 20; Member since: 15 Jan 2009)


he is starting to drink his own kool-aid and its making him crazy.its not that adobe wont make flash for iphone, or even the ipad for that matter, its that steve doesn't want it on the iphone or ipad because he cant have control over it.so he is trying to convince everyone to do whats best for his wallet and not for the people who buy his products. as soon as the mindless sheep, that masturbate to his picture every night and buy whatever he puts out because he is their god, wake up and realize that all he cares about is their money apple will fail epically.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 19:25

23. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


everything he said about flash is true. especially the bugginess and security issues. im happy apple doesnt support it.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 17:41

16. artz1986 (Posts: 453; Member since: 11 Mar 2009)


After reading and hearing both sides of the argument, this is what I think: Flash is needed to some [not to me], it makes a lot of internet content compatible w/ almost all browsers, and because of that, the majority of media on the web uses the technology, meaning mobile web enabled devices need it to really have a limitless web experience. BUT, it's coming to that time where even Flash needs to get replaced by a format that can work on virtually all web enabled devices-HTML5. In the world of technology, you need that one company/device to take the first step in moving the industry forward. Let's face it, the tech world is made up of sheeps; one device comes out w/ a mind blowing/ thought provoking feature, gets hyped up by the public, and the rest of the industry follows. Apple is that huge company that HTML5 needs in order for it to become mainstream. Now, don't get me wrong, I kinda wish the iPad had at least Flash, but this is Apple we're talking about, you know how they/he roll...

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 19:30

24. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


this if ipad had flash, they would just be supporting shittiness, which is something apple would rather not do. they don't like to do things half assed, which is why: iphone didnt have 3G, mms..., ipad doesnt have camera, flash... if they had these things it would make the devices buggy. Apple is what they are due to the speed and intuitiveness of their software.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 09:41

42. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Let me get this straight...your saying that 3G service and picture messaging on the iphone (whatever model your referring too) would have made it half-assed? Are you high?

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 18:09

17. oddmanout (Posts: 435; Member since: 22 May 2009)


if steve jobs put flash on the iphone, the browser wouldnt be nearly as good as apple comes off to be. maybe if flash wasnt so laggy/buggy like he said, it would eventually end up on the iphone but because adobe is so lazy, flash will never be as good as it could be. HTML 5 ftw

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 18:10

18. oddmanout (Posts: 435; Member since: 22 May 2009)


ohh an this is veryyy old news. i heard this about a week or 2 ago.

posted on 19 Feb 2010, 21:00

28. corporateJP (Posts: 1555; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


This guy is a bigger yambag than previously believed.

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 01:37

31. sonisoe (Posts: 326; Member since: 06 May 2009)


whats got into this guy ? like it or not, to my knowledge as a regular user, flash is the only thing that can make web pages, etc etc alive... i think there's truth that flash may drain the battery more, but rather than admitting it blatantly, he'd say its an old technology... unless of course apple has developed some kind of app replacing flash... btw, i use a macbook, doesnt safari run adobe flash as well ? i think apple's gotten a bit more cocky over time....

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 05:48

34. vinsterdamus (Posts: 58; Member since: 20 Feb 2010)


To all ppl who say that the iphone browser is still on top, have you seed the bit iphone vs Nexus one? The nexus one pwned the iphone on everything about browsing! the reason why the us android phones didn't support multi touch is because apple kind of forbid google to use it at least in the us. My milestone is the same as the droid in almost every way and supports multi touch out of the box. What do apple fanboys have to brag about now? the app store or how everyone copy's apple? haha like they invented the phone, multi touch or even pinch to zoom. the iphone didn't bring anything new next to the app store! ;) Happy i didn't get it because flash is BIG on the net and how does flash use 1000% more power then 3D games? GPU and CPU on full power but no flash uses the phones hidden powers or something. Got to love Jobs and his unbelievable story's

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 06:53

37. zZ INFINITY Zz (Posts: 27; Member since: 22 Jan 2010)


dont you think flash in the browser would be a treath for the appstore? All those free flash games online... maybe thats one of the reasons steve is against flash...

posted on 20 Feb 2010, 09:44

43. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


BOOM! You freakin nailed it

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 16:30

49. Gaurav008 (Posts: 274; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


*laughing after reading comments 2 years back...:D*

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