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Jobs biographer and Larry Page clash; what did Jobs really think about Android?

0. phoneArena 06 Apr 2012, 12:22 posted on

Walter Isaacson and Larry Page are now clashing over the anger Steve Jobs expressed at Android, but are they really completely at odds, or looking at different sides of the same coin...

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posted on 06 Apr 2012, 13:57 2

30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Hahaha how many people even new a windows tablet existed? And even less bought. Face it ilia tablets were not relevant until the iPad came out.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 14:18 5

40. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Of course!! No product was relevant until it wasn invented by Apple!! Life itself was irrelevant until Apple came and turned it into iLife..

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 14:24 2

45. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


Then it turne'd in-to a iPlauge....

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 15:04 7

57. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


just because a product wasnt popular or didnt sell does not mean it did not exist...popularity does not mean its the 1st of its kind...i wouldnt be surprised if many things that were 1st of its kind was a ''flop''...its usually the 2nd or 3rd version which becomes successful..facebook wasnt the 1st social network but should they be known as the company that created social networks because they are popular?google were not the 1st search company but are the most popular,should they be known as the company that created search? its very hard to get something right the 1st time and its easier for another company to build on the original idea of someone elses because you can see where and how things went wrong etc...point is popularity does not give you the right of innovation.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 15:10 1

60. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple's iPad was nothing like Microsofts. Apple actually designed an OS from the ground up to work on a tablet. Microsoft slapped a PC OS on a tablet.

Apple gets a huge amount of credit for their innovation with the iPhone and iPad. The only people who don't give them credit is the fandroid trolls on PA.

Without Apple android users wouldn't have a touch friendly smartphone OS and they wouldn't have tablets.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 15:14 4

68. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


fact is the idea of a tablet existed way before apple therefore apple did not invent the tablet...like i said its easier when another company builds on someone else's idea as you can see what went wrong.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 17:50 2

93. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


thats a lie of the worst kind, alpha android test where shown on touchscreen devices, Google had touchscreen in mind

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 15:12 1

63. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Ps I don't think Apple is solely responsible for all innovation, but credit should be given where its due.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 15:18 3

69. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


your right apple should be credited with making smartphones and tablets more mainstream...apple have got many millions of people using technology who probably would not have otherwise...but you also got to give others credit for ideas aswell regardless of popularity.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 15:30 1

71. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Exactly. Apple didn't invent the touch screen but they came up with a new way to interact with it. That's one example.

posted on 07 Apr 2012, 01:14 2

115. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Speaking of flops....

Apple tried a gaming system...huge flop...the Bandai Pippin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Bandai_Pippin

Apple's first tablet/pda whatever it was....huge flop....the Newton. Palm took up the reigns and dominated for years.

Whats funny is the Newton could be considered the beginning of tablets, smartphones. Plus one to Apple...Wonder how many Apple fanboys knew that...lol. List of more Apple flops:

http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/29/apple-product-flops-tech-personal-cx_ag_1030apple_slide_2.html

They are batting close to or at 1000 now as far as products ,seems like that cant miss now...but it wasnt always that way.

I agree you 100%. Popularity doesnt mean it was the first invented. What kills me is Apple fanboys dismiss products that came before because they didnt sell or just sucked. Most of Apple's innovation came from already existing ideas. products....like any other company.

Well...cant give the Newton too much credit...lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook

WAAAAY before the Newton and iPad. From Wiki:

"This concept was created two years before the founding of Xerox PARC."

Xerox might ring a bell for some ppl in relation to Apple...2 years before the founding of Xerox...

THIS is the point that some Apple, iPhone fanboys cant seem to understand...Apple wasnt the first to invent alot of things that they made popular now. They innovated of of already existing things...so why cant ppl innovate off of Apple?

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 13:21 3

15. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1719; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Srsly cry moar, you are wasting your time troll

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 13:27 8

19. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)


iNnovAte my taco: all they do is steal from everyone else then iPatent and iTrademark it.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 14:05

34. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


I like that... that was iStyle and funny! PAPINYC

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 16:08 1

79. tedkord (Posts: 12217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Not is several years. Not since the original iPhone, in fact. Android has been much more innovative since 2009 than Apple. To the point that Apple is now copying them.

The original iPhone was revolutionary. Every model since has been evolutionary, some not even. The iPad is just a bigger iPhone. iTV will probably look exactly like an iPhone or iPad, just bigger - even to the indented single button on the short side.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 16:30

87. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Siri comes to mind.

I don't see anything android is doing that reinvents the wheel.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 16:33 5

88. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


siri was an app that apple bought and made part of its OS.
1) its not an apple invention in the least
2) proven time and time again, google voice commands is as good or better depending on what your doing
3) siri's only advantage is the ability to say multiple phrases to do the same thing. its not magic, its an evolution of voice commands.. again, bought, not developed by apple.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 16:42

89. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Android was bought by Google. Oops looks like that means google has done zero innovation with android then right?

See how silly your logic is?

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 16:57

90. GellerDoesDallas (Posts: 50; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)


It seems to me like you're angry, would you like to see android fail? Would you like to see the only competition that Apple has just go away?

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 17:27

92. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Where did I post I want android to fail? In fact I've only responded hateful fandroid comments for the most part.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 17:55 1

94. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


-android at Home is one example of reinventing the wheel
-also continued dictation
-NFC

those a a few examples, you just need to see it and they appear

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 18:10

99. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Android at home and continued dictation? Explain I'm not familiar. NFC is nothing revolutionary.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 19:02 4

103. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Android at Home project involves connecting your device to all your appliances, for example lights change when you get home, or when you play a game or watch a movie, your fridge could tell your phone what you need to buy at the store your AC remind you to have the filter changed, your running machine could fix your schedule because you didn't worked hard enough the last time and so on. its what Google is trying to do

continued dictation means that instead of processing, a whole bunch of words when you use dictation, every word is processed in real time as you tell them

and how come NFC is not revolutionary? if it had an apple logo you will be all over NFC... it offers a real lot of advantages, and was nearly nonexistent, saying that in a near future all you need to take with you is your phone(use it to take orders, check in at work and see your hours, check at places, pay for your food, check menus and offers, share things with friends) is a revolution.

also I could continue saying things and services.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 19:52

104. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So two things that don't even exist. The appliance thing isn't a Google idea. Real time dictation would just be the next step in dictation.

NFC is moving your credit card chip into your phone. I want it. It would be really convenient, but it's not some major break through.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 20:37 2

110. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


two things that do not exist? you kidding right?

Dictation is real and live on any 4.0 enabled android phone.
http://goo.gl/rXA49

the second one is here, even tho it it has really slow adoption rate Google started moving the gear no one is willing to touch, Google is not making the appliances ya know? is providing the working platform and tools and figuring out how to make it work together

http://goo.gl/B6zCS

and that's just an example, but go watch the entire key note and educate yourself

and the NFC on your phone is smart, the one on your wallet is not, or tell me when was the last time you used your card to send a cat video to a friend? NFC is not going to be payment only. other tons of transactions that will make your life useful, bu to you is no big deal...

you know what this conversation is quite boring because you lack actual knowledge of the stuff I'm talking about and simply putting your fanboysm into dimming Google's innovation roll, truth you aren't even prepared to back up the statement you initially started with

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 23:40

112. saket.shrivastava (Posts: 55; Member since: 02 Apr 2012)


taco believe it or not you have been iFlashed by iCrap , iPray for ur soul :(

and @protolezoz is right, u would have gone gaga over any of the techno made by android or symbian or bada or anything for that matter, if it was having an apple stuck up its ass........................................

posted on 08 Apr 2012, 12:16

125. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


technically MS was talking about the appliance thing back in the 90s. If apple could figure out a way to charge a s**t ton for home appliances with apple logos on them and an app list, they would do it. Of course, it would probably have to multitask to work, and we all know apple hates that. :)

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 22:17 1

111. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


yes an entirely new tech that makes things more convenient and supposedly safer as well as it is expected to become the norm within a few years is not revolutionary.. yet buying a voice assistant app and throwing an apple logo is ... inut logic right there.

posted on 06 Apr 2012, 16:25 2

84. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)


more you say? the only thing Apple can do is sue other manufacture. and yet every new generation looks the same just updated spects hardware never change

posted on 07 Apr 2012, 15:43 1

120. dragonstkdgirl (Posts: 144; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)


They haven't been doing a ton of innovating lately. Did you see yesterday's article on the tech blogs about Apple working on implementing a face unlock technology? Google must be so proud....

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