Jobs biographer and Larry Page clash; what did Jobs really think about Android?
0. phoneArena 06 Apr 2012, 12:22 posted on
Walter Isaacson and Larry Page are now clashing over the anger Steve Jobs expressed at Android, but are they really completely at odds, or looking at different sides of the same coin...
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42. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Human wtf are you having a laugh....
What a joke! More like infestation.....
10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Jobs' experience with MS over Windows is crucial to understanding his position vis Android. I tend to believe Isaacson's account. Were it not for a poorly worded license agreement, Apple could have caused MS serious heartburn in the windows market. Jobs saw Android as a replay of history. Only this time around, Jobs was better prepared (money, attorneys and patents) for a fight. Jobs would have spent the entire $90 billion cash account balance on stopping Android.
It is only as a result of Jobs' passing that there will be a resolution of the patent wars. It will take another year, maybe two, but Tim Cook is a calmer CEO than Steve was.
12. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
In the end the patent wars will only hurt APPLE and its image.
14. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
not really... most people have no clue about patent wars... and if they did then they would hopefully be smart enough to see that it was spread around every major tele company
20. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
public perception will win out - not saying it is right, though.
80. tedkord (Posts: 6264; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
It was spread around major telco companies, but the others weren't suing over rectangles, bezel colors, etc...Apple comes off as more petty, a reflection of the leader of the time. I have high hopes that Tim Cook will bring some sanity, and as a result less money to lawyers, more to R&D - and Apple and Google and Microsoft can push each other to new heights through competition.
106. jroc74 (Posts: 5245; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I agree. Most folks might not even know what the hell a patent is.
96. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Ive said that a million times, Job saw android and Recalled the MS event, way enough reasons for someone to go ballistic on something
11. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Apple is all about APPLE....Google at least appears to try to benefit mankind...
17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You're a fool if you think Google isn't all about money just like any other corporation.
21. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
read the word - appears - look it up and you will figure out my inference. Google does want to help school children with cheap tablets - build out networks for home internet use...of course they do like to know what we are doing and I turn that stuff off.
Again..READING is COMPREHENSION....do not let APPLE blind you...
22. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And Apple isn't involved in education? Google isn't doing anything to help out that doesn't increase their bottom line.
25. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Oh yeah. Selling students 500$ iPads. That's a real contribution.
Google on the other hand has FREE services. FREE. As in - at no cost to the end user.
27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Theyre not free ilia. You're selling your data.
Apple has been giving discounts to students for years on their products. They also give discounted equipment to teaching institutions.
33. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Yeah sure - discounts - instead of 999$ it costs 998$. Wow.
And it's free as long as I'm not paying money for it. And I'm not.
38. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
How much is that data worth that you give away for free? I bet a lot more than .99 cents.
41. ilia1986 (unregistered)
That "data" which I give away for free is worth as much as any other digital content - 0.000000$. Zero. Dollars.
43. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Google begs to differ. They make billions off it.
46. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Atleast they sponsor, give charity....
Unlike the fruit master's in disguise.....
47. ilia1986 (unregistered)
I don't care - they give it to me for free. I beg to differ.
97. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
you don't completely understand how Google makes money do you? why would they sell data that's more important for them as a company
107. jroc74 (Posts: 5245; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
No....if you have home internet access....your selling your data...to the ISP.
You also sell it to the carriers....that sell these precious Android phones, iPhones, WP7, Blackberries, etc.
You sell it to the cable and satellite companies.
With Google...you're giving it away. Like they give away services.
Google offered free Wifi on some plane a few years ago and in their area. For a lil of my search habits...I will gladly give away that data for free Wifi.
28. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Taco dislikes FREE....he hates free apps, and would rather pay. He/she is in love with APPLE - they were married on APRIL FOOL's DAY...lol
37. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Your apps are not free. You sell your data to get them.
54. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
nothing of value they get from me....
56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
They make billions selling your data.
50. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Hahaha lmfao networkdood!
Taco is getting bashed left right down under...
29. SleepingOz (unregistered)
85. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6954; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
GOOGLE does MORE DONATION than Apple could do & NOT TO SPEND it's millions of cash
13. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
@networkdood - Google is also about Google. They just have a more 'sympathetic' story to tell. :-)
26. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Oh, I know, all companies are self-perpuating, but if they were not, then they would go 'under.'
Google is about innovation, and that is why Android is in the hands of many.....
32. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Here is the 3rd side. The Bill Gates side. Remember when Gates came out and said that he and Steve had some serious heart to hearts before he died and Steve lightened up a bit? Page might have been referencing some of that from his own experiences. There is no reason to think that if steve can come around to bill, that he cant also have made strides with larry. Add that to what the article states about him holding others personally responsible like Andy and Eric, and its a plausible explanation.
isaacson was referencing jobs feelings on android as a whole, where page might have been referencing their personal conversations which might have been more toned down since he wasnt holding larry page personally responsible for android's "betrayal".
Just a plausable though.
35. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
So, Jobs seperated his relationship with Page and his own hatred of Android....
And, yet, Jobs admits to stealing ideas himself....he is a hypocrite....
44. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
You treat others as you would want to be treated. Considering Steve Jobs was a jerk, i dont honestly care what he thinks about Android and would receive equal treatment from me
I didnt think much of him as a person and I hate his product. Secondly, Steve Jobs no longer lives and he clearly "hated" Android for show.
A non issue in my book
58. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You hate his product but you use a copycat product android. Lol
61. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
here we go again with the whole ''copycat'' thing lol i think its time you give that a rest mate....hardly anything today is ever original
73. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
you use apple operating system on ur laptop? how is that not a copycat?
even bill gates stole from Dr Dos.
however you have no fact to say how android copied the iphone....i was under the impression that considering android has MORE features they have no reason to steal anymore
i'd like for you to actually back up what you say with facts
a defense attorney has to have a case otherwise they sign a plea bargain ;)
75. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
The facts are blatantly obvious to anyone but a fandroid like you. It doesn't matter what I tell you because you'll refuse to accept it.
81. tedkord (Posts: 6264; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
And it doesn't matter what anyone tells you to the contrary, you will always see things through your iFan glasses. You're just a different side of the same coin.
101. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And you think innovation will be fueled by allowing everyone to copy each other.
108. jroc74 (Posts: 5245; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Its been going on since before Apple was even thought of. Why does it all of a sudden have to stop with Apple?
Cell phones have been out before Apple, computers have been out before Apple.
If Apple is allowed to innovate from existing ideas, why cant anyone innovate from theirs?
49. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
It couldn't possibly be that Isaacson was taking liberties like Daisey did in order to promote his product, now could it?
Also, bankrupting Apple just to thwart a competitor does not sound like good business ethics as far responsibility to the stockholders go. Good ol' Captain Ahab, err... I mean Steve.
53. Maxaravind (Posts: 9; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
funny.... u know every body even in the 21st century will worship Cesar, throw flowers in his way all the while Brutus is the one who is blamed. open ur eyes people all steve wanted to do was grow his company, he didn't care about anything else, he cared about his customers only to get profit from his activities,otherwise why would he even think of using his 90 billion dollars in bank to put an end to a company that is putting in some effort to help humanity. We could have praised him if he was willing to use his money to help the world,like give some food to children in African countries who die of hunger every year other than spending it on meaningless disputes. He was one of the best business men who lived on earth only considering his abilities to trick people. If he was not tricking people and was pricing his products right how did apple make its 100 billion profit....??? And i don't think that Google is wrong(at least for now) if it can provide similar technology that apple offers for half the price.. Moreover if the guys who invented the wheel or the fire said that nobody other than them has the right to make it then i don't think we would be where we are today......
55. strikercho (banned) (Posts: 156; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
But of course the biography author is right. There is no way the late Jobs could have settled until the stolen Handroid was destroyed or at least make them pay. And of course Mr. Larry lies again and tries to distort history. That's the usual Giggle, pardon google way.
64. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Not a rascist remark, but a comment on your writing style...
62. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Ironic that Apple/Jobs can accuse anyone of stealing....
82. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
What I like to think is...before his death, SJ was still pissed about Android and wanted to see it destroyed. BUT, he changed his way of thinking once he realized just how close to death he was. Maybe he thought about his combative attitude about EVERYTHING, how that attitude allowed his illness to progress beyond treatment, and at that moment he decided it just wasn't worth it. And although he may have wanted the destruction of Android during the writing of his book, he changed his mind while on his deathbed, and he just let the whole thing go.
83. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6954; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Steve Jobs only thinks that Android copies from Apple APP store and touch screen phone idea.
91. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Steve Jobs is good, I'll give him that. However, I would of liked him a lot more if he would just focus on beating his opponents with true innovations insteading of slapping thief and liar tags on his competition. I was pretty in love with the iPhone 4 when I first heard of it, then Android had something better so ended up not looking at the iPhone 4. Since then, I haven't seen anything done with the iPhone that will trump iPhone over Android, iPhone or iPad actually.
What do you do when or you think someone stole your idea... stay quiet beat the thieves and your own idea with a even better, HUGE idea. It's too bad I didn't see that happen with Steve Jobs.
95. Jillsandwich (Posts: 61; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
This just in! Steve Jobs is dead. He LOST. Page is alive. Android is alive. Bill Gates is alive.
Suck it, Steve.
And yes, I know it's insensitive to speak ill of the dead, but let's face it. He wasn't exactly a good human being, either.
109. jroc74 (Posts: 5245; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
As much as I LOVE Android...had to thumb that down...
The man still had a family. At the end of the day he was still a human bieng regardless, even if you didnt like him or his products or business practices.
Lets not stoop to those iPhone folks level that made those ignorant remarks about Instragram. Be the bigger person...makes the others look even worse.
100. pongkie (Posts: 508; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
This probably doesn't matter during Jobs last days. He is dying, all he probably think about is his family he already gave up work when he resigned and placed all trust to Cook. That biographer and page is just using Jobs to gain more money.
114. saket.shrivastava (Posts: 55; Member since: 02 Apr 2012)
page has nothing to cash on from his statements................