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Jelly Bean already works around Apple's pinch-to-zoom patent

0. phoneArena 30 Aug 2012, 20:08 posted on

A close examination of Apple's pinch to zoom patent shows that not only can it be worked around, but Google already has done so in Android 4.1...

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posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:31 8

19. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and thats a big difference between google and apple. Apple hires people and calls the Geniuses to look smarter than they are.
Google hires geniuses and lets them run free with ideas and implementation which IS smart.

Looking or being.. hmm... which "smart" would I rather be?

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:53

25. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


well the Samsung lawyers didnt look too bright

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:06 5

32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


maybe they should be wearing an apple genius shirt then? then we could expect them to be useless right off the bat.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:18 3

38. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Nah. They need to wear a tee shirt that says - Kiss me I am stupid.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 04:33 2

54. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


That's the only chance they have lol

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 01:09

47. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


at least they will win cases using napkins...

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 07:47 4

59. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


which proves just how broken and idiotic our patent litigation system is.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 12:12

63. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


dont hate the player.. hate the game

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 21:34

69. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Remember that phrase....when you stumble upon an article where Apple lost a patent case.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:49 2

10. squeeb (Posts: 99; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Google ftw

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:07 6

11. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


And boom goes the dynamite. Now the trick is to actually GET JELLY BEAN TO THE MAJORITY OF NEW DEVICES SELLING TODAY, DAMMIT.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:10 3

14. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


xda can help

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:16 5

16. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


That's not the point. The point is to get the update out officially so Apple can't get devices banned for their pinch to zoom patent. I'm sure that "Well, customers can just go and get non infringing software from XDA!" is not an argument that would sit well with a judge or jury.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:29 5

18. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its a great "light the fire under their ass" point to manufacturers AND carriers to get 4.1 out and pushed to as many devices as possible... at least to their current sellers.

Maybe one day we can thank Apple for being such a litigious ass, since the accidental byproduct is a massive update push by google, through manufacturers and then pressuring carriers to send them faster, if somehow the P2Z patent isnt thrown out on appeal.

Maybe this will force google to start twisting carrier arms to speed up/kill the approval process that makes so many updates take extra months? that would be nice.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:55

27. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


U.S carriers would not allow it.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:11 4

33. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Would not allow what? Quick updates?

Sadly, you're right, and they consistently seem to be at the bottom of the slow update cycle. Remember how Motorola got the Wifi only XOOM updated to ICS barely a month after ICS was originally out, and now the XOOM is already on JB?

The Verizon XOOM just got ICS in June, and still no JB.

The carriers are assholes.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 01:11 3

48. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


and i hate it as much as you do,,, as only in the States this happens..

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 18:19

68. willard12 (Posts: 1727; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Not allowing an update vs. Having millions of dollars in inventory sit in their storage room because it's banned. I think they'll go for the update.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:08

12. Snap123 (Posts: 33; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)


Can someone explain to me how Samsung plans to go about suing Apple for using LTE. Correct me if im wrong but since Apple will most likely be using Qualcomm chip for LTE doesnt that mean they have the licence from Qualcomm to have LTE on their phone.

And from an another article Qualcomm has more LTE patents than Samsung has. Im sure Apple is smart enough to cover themselves by using Qualcomm's LTE patents.

This is all so confusing.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:21 1

22. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)


Samsung is estimated to own something crazy like 10% of the patents related to LTE. So they undoubtedly have some that aren't covered by patent exhaustion.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:55 5

26. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)


Scott, Apple will be using Qualcomm LTE chip and nobody will be able to get a single penny from Apple by suing over LTE. Don't forget that Apple, Samsung make commodities that cost couple hundred bucks. Network equipments and protocols are the real technology and those are invented/patented by companies like Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens, Qualcomm, and Huawei. So don't propagate some garbage posted by koreantimes citing some underpaid anonymous Samsung exec. Real world is a bit different from the emotional world our PA fanboys live in. And you as a writer are supposed to act more rationally.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:59 2

28. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


"Real world is a bit different from the emotional world our PA fanboys live in."

Brilliant!!!

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:12 3

34. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I think your comment could have been more arrogant.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 02:07 3

50. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4492; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


That makes no sense. Anyone can patent a technology, even tech that can become a standard. If he's smart enough, a guy in his basement can come up with a tech innovation that could one day become a standard. The reason you mostly see it from larger corporations is because they have more capital for r&d, but that doesn't mean they're the sole innovators. Another thing you see quit often is an individual or small group comes up with a concept and a large corporation either buys the rights to it or hires them to continue development on it.

BTW, I notice you didn't mention Motorola, they invented the cell phone. Samsung had the UMTS standard that most cell phones use. To say that Nokia has "real tech" but Samsung doesn't, I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:20 1

39. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The real question for Sammy's LTE-related patents is whether they can be construed to be standards essential.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:09 2

13. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Huh, I just double tap to zoom in and out on my NEXUS 7 - lol, what a useless patent, or rather, another useless patent, by Apple.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:25 4

23. stealthd (unregistered)


Not useless enough for it to be omitted though.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 01:30 2

49. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Double tap to zoom is apparently patented by Apple too.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 03:24 2

52. MeoCao (unregistered)


Double tab to zoom is not essential as pinch to zoom and can be replaced easily.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 04:36 1

55. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


I actually use pinch to zoom way more, so I don't really care if double tap gets replaced. I'm sure most people feel the same way.

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