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Jelly Bean already works around Apple's pinch-to-zoom patent

0. phoneArena 30 Aug 2012, 20:08 posted on

A close examination of Apple's pinch to zoom patent shows that not only can it be worked around, but Google already has done so in Android 4.1...

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posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:14 26

1. dr_fajardo12 (Posts: 107; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


mmm i think this will be very funny

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:14 16

35. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


In the end, after all is said and done, Apple will be found to have gamed the USPTO and most (more than 50%) of their patents will be found to be invalid. You heard it first on PA.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 14:59

65. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


And I advise all to read the full Verge article. For folks that used to be called Apple fanboys.....they actually called out Apple on this one.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:20 27

2. asdfasdfasdf123 (Posts: 11; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)


You go Google!

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 04:39 6

56. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Yep!
And this just shows something about a rule, law, contract, etc...
There's always a loophole. For everything.

Anyway, I'm just glad that Apple can't sue for something ridiculous like this that is in Windows Phones as well as Androids.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 15:03 1

66. eyad_996 (Posts: 29; Member since: 10 Jul 2012)


It is a silly thing to sue about!
It's like suing them for the volume rocker buttons on the side of a phone, stuff like that don't go under the name "innovation", it's like common-sense!
In face Windows 7 also uses pinch to zoom for picture zooming, offcourse only if you have a touch screen of some kind.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:20 11

3. protozeloz (Posts: 5379; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I saw the post on the verge today, It had interesting stuff

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:22 36

4. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


not many android fans think its the end of the world becaue of samsungs loss.. most of us see it it as a time to hit apple back and MUCH harder

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:11 10

15. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


I agree - I could care less if APPLE won - jury did not seem too bright and like the judge, rushed over everything to jump to a conclusion. It will get overturned or downgraded.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:26 11

17. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the only people that care that apple won are the itrolls that cant see past their nose.
The expectation is overturn/reduction in some way shape or form. No reasonable person thinks that apple should have won such a lopsided victory, not even other patent lawyers that were interviewed pre/post trial.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:51 1

24. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


because Apple did win... and until it gets overturned ..apple did win plain and simple..

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:06 8

31. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


they didnt win until the judgment is FINAL, gallito. It is not FINAL yet. There is a difference. The jury's decision was a hard guideline for the judge to make her FINAL ruling on, but she does not have to abide by it, and most people dont think she will.

So technically all they have won at this point.. was... an end to the court case.. for now.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 01:05 2

46. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


al the headlines around the we says that Apple won if you want o spin it,.. go ahead I am talking in the present not the future and here Apple won unless you can prove me otherwise.. which you wont..

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 14:55 1

64. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Headlines....vs the procedures, rules of the courts...

Yea....the headlines matter more.

:/

They did win the case. But this isnt over yet. Appeals n all. Ya know...procedures of the courts.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 15:23 2

67. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


go away
pleeeeeease
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 00:04 10

41. MeoCao (unregistered)


I think Apple lost big time with their law suits. Apple now becomes a company using their petty patents to bully competitors and not a company of innovation.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:16 6

36. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Sammy's legal team f*cked up. Time to play the appeal according to how Google played Oracle v. Google - can we all say invalidity?

Fortunately the appeal process is about the law, not jury nullification.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:30 16

5. MeoCao (unregistered)


This is great news, I was afraid that Apple would prevent other from using pinch to zoom.

I think Google is different from Apple and will use the possible pinch to zoom patent only to protect themselves and their allies and not make money from it.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:18 1

37. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Apple goal is to prevent copying, not to make money from the patents.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:59 5

40. MeoCao (unregistered)


Are you serious, Apple offered pinch to zoom license to SS for some 2-3 bucks per phone from their own admission.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 00:08

42. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Well maybe I'm wrong but I thought Apple usually attempts to ban devices until they get the feature removed entirely.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 00:16 8

43. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


And then when the feature is removed or modified so it doesn't infringe, as verified by government officials, Apple attempts to ban it again, claiming that the device still infringes! :D

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 00:22

44. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


That's a little off topic from what MeoCao and I are talking about but okay sure.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 00:34 11

45. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


It's a snarky comment. Read it as if I'm saying it gleefully.

And it's actually a little on topic; you're both right and wrong.

Apple has been wielding its patents in an attempt to drive Android out of the market, all because Steve Jobs didn't think anyone else could possibly come up with the idea for a mobile operating system that uses a touchscreen for its main UI without copying Apple.

It's also a way to abuse government power in order to try to gain an unfair market advantage. For a company so obviously and historically obsessed with control, this is nowhere near to being a surprise.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 05:26

72. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Yeah you're a little on topic and not a little off topic, my bad (you realize that's worse right?). But anyway, you're basically saying the same thing I did with more detail. It seems like you're agreeing with me more than you are with MeoCao because he's suggesting that licensing features is Apple's primary goal.

Snarky? Yes.
Did it answer our dispute? No. Sounded kinda ranty...

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 08:00 4

60. willard12 (Posts: 865; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


They're not achieving their goal and they have themselves to blame. They copied the LG prada which won the iF design award in Sep 2006, pull down notification, answer a call with a message. According to the trial....they copied pinch to zoom from Mitsubishi . The jury foreman, who patented tivo though he didnt invent it, doesnt like the whole prior art thing either. In fact once again, I don't think you can name a single thing actually invented by Apple. Entertain us...name just 1....until then, I'll take apple's word as honest when they say they've been shameless about stealing good ideas. Hopefully, they don't steal any 4g technology.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:30 6

6. tiara6918 (Posts: 1497; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


Apple and their products, they will always sue if someone else made it identical or similar to theirs(even though in reality it isn't but they're fooling everyone with every move they make). Apple is going way overboard...Jb show what you have against ios!

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:32 5

7. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


In just like that.....it isnt a big deal. I predict Apple will start patenting all variations of their patents in the near future...

I recommended press 2 corners and zoom for Android. Google, hop on that.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:37 8

8. emdot82 (Posts: 14; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


apple always have a problem with android taking ideas from them but just look at the new IOS6 every New feature they added android had it for years

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:46 7

9. Nookie4u (Posts: 131; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)


When you stop an idiot, they won't go further anymore. but if you stop a genius, they'll always find a way to work around it. so it only pushes them to make things even better. Google did a great job.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:31 8

19. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and thats a big difference between google and apple. Apple hires people and calls the Geniuses to look smarter than they are.
Google hires geniuses and lets them run free with ideas and implementation which IS smart.

Looking or being.. hmm... which "smart" would I rather be?

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:53

25. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


well the Samsung lawyers didnt look too bright

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:06 5

32. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


maybe they should be wearing an apple genius shirt then? then we could expect them to be useless right off the bat.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:18 3

38. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Nah. They need to wear a tee shirt that says - Kiss me I am stupid.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 04:33 2

54. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


That's the only chance they have lol

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 01:09

47. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


at least they will win cases using napkins...

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 07:47 4

59. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


which proves just how broken and idiotic our patent litigation system is.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 12:12

63. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


dont hate the player.. hate the game

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 21:34

69. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Remember that phrase....when you stumble upon an article where Apple lost a patent case.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:49 2

10. squeeb (Posts: 99; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Google ftw

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:07 6

11. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


And boom goes the dynamite. Now the trick is to actually GET JELLY BEAN TO THE MAJORITY OF NEW DEVICES SELLING TODAY, DAMMIT.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:10 3

14. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


xda can help

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:16 5

16. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


That's not the point. The point is to get the update out officially so Apple can't get devices banned for their pinch to zoom patent. I'm sure that "Well, customers can just go and get non infringing software from XDA!" is not an argument that would sit well with a judge or jury.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:29 5

18. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its a great "light the fire under their ass" point to manufacturers AND carriers to get 4.1 out and pushed to as many devices as possible... at least to their current sellers.

Maybe one day we can thank Apple for being such a litigious ass, since the accidental byproduct is a massive update push by google, through manufacturers and then pressuring carriers to send them faster, if somehow the P2Z patent isnt thrown out on appeal.

Maybe this will force google to start twisting carrier arms to speed up/kill the approval process that makes so many updates take extra months? that would be nice.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:55

27. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


U.S carriers would not allow it.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:11 4

33. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Would not allow what? Quick updates?

Sadly, you're right, and they consistently seem to be at the bottom of the slow update cycle. Remember how Motorola got the Wifi only XOOM updated to ICS barely a month after ICS was originally out, and now the XOOM is already on JB?

The Verizon XOOM just got ICS in June, and still no JB.

The carriers are assholes.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 01:11 3

48. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


and i hate it as much as you do,,, as only in the States this happens..

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 18:19

68. willard12 (Posts: 865; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Not allowing an update vs. Having millions of dollars in inventory sit in their storage room because it's banned. I think they'll go for the update.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:08

12. Snap123 (Posts: 33; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)


Can someone explain to me how Samsung plans to go about suing Apple for using LTE. Correct me if im wrong but since Apple will most likely be using Qualcomm chip for LTE doesnt that mean they have the licence from Qualcomm to have LTE on their phone.

And from an another article Qualcomm has more LTE patents than Samsung has. Im sure Apple is smart enough to cover themselves by using Qualcomm's LTE patents.

This is all so confusing.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:21 1

22. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)


Samsung is estimated to own something crazy like 10% of the patents related to LTE. So they undoubtedly have some that aren't covered by patent exhaustion.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:55 5

26. CamaroSS (Posts: 72; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)


Scott, Apple will be using Qualcomm LTE chip and nobody will be able to get a single penny from Apple by suing over LTE. Don't forget that Apple, Samsung make commodities that cost couple hundred bucks. Network equipments and protocols are the real technology and those are invented/patented by companies like Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens, Qualcomm, and Huawei. So don't propagate some garbage posted by koreantimes citing some underpaid anonymous Samsung exec. Real world is a bit different from the emotional world our PA fanboys live in. And you as a writer are supposed to act more rationally.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:59 2

28. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


"Real world is a bit different from the emotional world our PA fanboys live in."

Brilliant!!!

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:12 3

34. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I think your comment could have been more arrogant.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 02:07 3

50. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1774; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


That makes no sense. Anyone can patent a technology, even tech that can become a standard. If he's smart enough, a guy in his basement can come up with a tech innovation that could one day become a standard. The reason you mostly see it from larger corporations is because they have more capital for r&d, but that doesn't mean they're the sole innovators. Another thing you see quit often is an individual or small group comes up with a concept and a large corporation either buys the rights to it or hires them to continue development on it.

BTW, I notice you didn't mention Motorola, they invented the cell phone. Samsung had the UMTS standard that most cell phones use. To say that Nokia has "real tech" but Samsung doesn't, I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:20 1

39. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The real question for Sammy's LTE-related patents is whether they can be construed to be standards essential.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 21:09 2

13. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Huh, I just double tap to zoom in and out on my NEXUS 7 - lol, what a useless patent, or rather, another useless patent, by Apple.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:25 4

23. stealthd (Posts: 974; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Not useless enough for it to be omitted though.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 01:30 2

49. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Double tap to zoom is apparently patented by Apple too.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 03:24 2

52. MeoCao (unregistered)


Double tab to zoom is not essential as pinch to zoom and can be replaced easily.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 04:36 1

55. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


I actually use pinch to zoom way more, so I don't really care if double tap gets replaced. I'm sure most people feel the same way.

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