J.K. Shin: It doesn't matter which processor is running your Samsung Galaxy S4
0. phoneArena 24 Apr 2013, 14:36 posted on
The head of Samsung 's mobile business, J.K. Shin, said on Wednesday that Samsung Galaxy S4 users should not be concerned with the processor on their unit even though the octa-core Samsung Exynos processor beat the crap out of the quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 in benchmark tests; the U.S. version of the phone will contain the Qualcomm silicon...
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1. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3024; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
"It doesn't matter which
processor is running your Samsung
Honest question: Then why make two variants?
4. ckoch125 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Supply. They can't even make enough exynos chips now with just having 1 run that chip.
18. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4416; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yeah it's about supply. It really doesn't matter, these new chips are so freaking powerful that they will handle anything you throw at them.
The difference will be subtle & to be quite frank the Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 is a mighty beastly chip. Yeah I would like the Exynos 5 but the Qualcomm will do very nicely.
Either way the Samsung Galaxy S IV is a win no matter what chip is inside.
24. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Seeing the HTC One the snapdragon 600 seems like a huge disappointment right now, videos on youtube of it lagging it up on games the S3 runs fine.
40. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Really HTC one lags on games please show me the video case i have seen YouTube videos and the 600 performs great and is much more superior to the s3..i have the s3 atm and will get the s4..brother has the one and runs great..I personally would have like the octa core but after seeing the 6)0 performance in person I have no problem having the 600 variant..
57. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
The lag starts after the chip starts throttling, for videos reference to Nexus 4 throttling, its just as bad as the Nexus 4. No excuses for bad drivers, adreno 320 is old.
65. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Yep heard of this throttling due to heat on the nexus 4 but I read elsewhere that that's a "feature" that LG decided to use... Other than the sprint version all the other hands on of the s4 looked good.. Only lag I saw which seems to be a Tw thing is opening the gallery and the widget page in the app draw... For what ever reason the widget draw lags for a a second or 2 on Tw launcher.. It happens on my s3 and had hoped it would be fixed on the s4 but seems not to be.. Not top big issue as I use nova launcher and that has no lag so you would think Samsung would have no issue there.
77. dicemoney (Posts: 57; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
You sir are a big liar I've been using the HTC one now for a couple of days and I have never seen I lag not once. This is the perfect phone
89. Android4u (Posts: 456; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
I've seen a few videos on YouTube with the gs4 not sure if it was exynos or snapdragron, but that phone lagged a lot. Transitions weren't smooth as I expected. My dual core s4 plus ran better lol
91. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Most likely the s600 version as most of the reviews have that variant..basically it looks like the sprint version of the s4 has a buggy firmware because when ever I've seen a review of the sprint version i see a lot of lag but when I watched a non sprint version there is very little lag.. It still lags for a split second in the widget draw for some reason but other than it looked pretty smooth too me.
94. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Lag will be totally eliminated no matter how many apps and widgets and live wallpapers are running.
Once rooted and overclocked the cpu and overclock the voltage to max and change the cpu threshold to max, this s4 will have and feel a massive diffrence in power and torque. But battery will be draining 20% more, who cares as long theres power to play and feel with along with absolute no lag, ile take turbo power than rubbish saving battery scheme.
So now youre device will load open process and respond in an instace than waiting lagging for 3to 6 seconds.
115. sharks (Posts: 168; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
Silent pause and then scrolls out of here in a hurry. LOL!
100. quadroportado (Posts: 1; Member since: 24 Apr 2013)
May be your youtube and internet connection LAGS!!!!
34. appleDOESNT.com (banned) (Posts: 456; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
Well if 8 cores = 4 cores then why have 8? Something doesn't add up if they are making 8 chips perform as 4
37. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Its not 8 cores. Its 2 quad core chips only 1 can be used at a time. The Exynos 5 a15 cores are more powerful than the snapdragon 600 cores. It also has a better gpu. The other 4 cores are a7s used for saving battery life, if you just do casual stuff expect the battery to be 2-3x better than the US version.
38. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Well, the Exynos 5 Octa was never really an eight core performer to begin with, considering only 4 of the cores are ever on at once. The other 4 cores (the A7s) are there for battery saving, not performance.
95. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Berzerk for advanced tech and geeks or normal users who will root this device with cm10 or aokp aosp roms and siyah or tegrack or other kernels,there you will have the option to run acitivate 12345678 or run all 8 cpu togeather.
Its like a car with more the cylinders the better ultra smooth it preforms. Like v6 v8 v10 or v12 engine™
102. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
You might not have to do that though, Troll, because I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Linux 3.8 kernel that will be used in Android 5.0 will have the ability to use big.Little to its fullest extent, as in using all the cores when needed. Until then, I'm sure 2.3 GHz quad core A15 will suit your needs. Or do you think you should wait for the Tegra 4 and Snapdragon 800, to see if they can provide even more performance than the Exynos 5 Octa?
35. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That might not be so true, due to software. Pocketnow's review of the S4 (Sprint variant) and the comparison between it and the One shows it having multiple stutters across the OS. Whether that's due to unofficial software or just Touchwiz being too bloated has yet to be seen though.
Stutter and lag on the demo devices at the launch event is normal and can be truthfully blamed on unofficial software, but lag and stutter on retail devices that are ready to be shipped is discouraging.
36. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Same happend with the S3, the exynos version was flawless and lag free with a better gpu. Samsung gives the best version to South Korea and guess what version South Korea is getting (hint its the exynos 5).
48. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I still haven't made my GS3 with the Snapdragon lag yet. Regardless, you're comparing COMPLETELY different processors in terms of power. Comparing the Snapdragon S4 to the Snapdragon 600 is like comparing the average laptop to a dedicated gaming PC. Well, maybe not that extreme, but you get the point.
Also, there isn't as big of a gap between the Exynos 5 Octa and Snapdragon 600 as there was between the Snapdragon S4 and Exynos 4412.
59. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
There is a big gap between adreno 320 and the powervr in the exynos 5.
67. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
True, but the Adreno 320 in the S4 Pro still handles any task at 1080p easily, so you shouldn't really have any difference in performance between the two, much less the buffed Adreno 320 in the Snapdragon 600.
42. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
It's an issue with the sprint variant.. All the reviews of the sprint variant has many lags and stutters but the reviews of the non sprint and mainly the European variants show very little speed hiccups...
60. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Videos of the att version = no lag on snapdragon 600, seems to just be a sprint problem.
43. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3024; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Yup, i saw the review too. Scored 8.4? Wasn't it?
81. downphoenix (Posts: 2415; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
Probably a faulty phone they have then. Sprint's S4 is not any different from the other carrier versions outside of the usual differences such as the bands used.
84. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I've seen lag and stutter in TechnoBuffalo and PhoneDog's videos too though, it's just Pocketnow was the only one that really made a comment about it. It could just be a fault on Sprint, because all of the videos were on the Sprint model, or it really could be that Touchwiz is becoming too heavy.
You can't really blame it on unofficial software, because those are official retail devices that are being shipped currently. We'll have to wait and see if the other carrier variants perform similarly, if not then it's Sprint's problem; if so, then Touchwiz has become too heavy and the Exynos model just might become a worthy investment to get a decent experience with the device.
116. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)
I would definitely take exynos any day, it has Wolfson DAC which I believe is much better than the one in Snapdragon. And when the A7 cores are running, it should in theory take much less energy than Snapdragon
117. designerfx (Posts: 76; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)
at least one can hope that as more phones come out they will tackle the supply issue, because personally I would not accept the snapdragon over the exynos here (that exynos was the explicit reason for my desire to purchase it).
6. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
How about you read the answer in the article?
Samsung just had to outsource most of the chip production to Qualcomm, because their Exynos just can't be made in enough numbers for now
8. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3024; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Darac, yes, i know that...
My point is: Tell me honestly, if you had both variants, which do you think (in your mind) will be more powerful? The S4 with the octa cores right?
And about the Exynos not being enough, the rest of the world is getting the Exynos variant isn't it? Just the US?
14. SellPhones82 (Posts: 565; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
The U.K. is also getting the Snapdragon version as well. I'd be curious what S4 sales for the US and UK combined will be compared to the "international" Exynos version. Wasn't the S3 the same with a dual core for the US and the quad core Exynos for the international? At that time they said it was due to LTE though. The only real test is to put them side by side and let some Joe's play with them and see if they can tell a difference.
22. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3024; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
You're getting to my point. I think the international version is much more than the customers in the US and UK combined, let's say 25%. It doesn't make sense leaving the 25% because they say they can't make enough of the Exynos, does it?
101. 8logic (Posts: 131; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
actually, most of europe is getting the s600;but, place like in asia and aferica is getting the octa 5.
54. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
61. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
That's what I wanted to post.
Most of the S4's out there will be the snapdragon version actually
21. chocolaking (Posts: 461; Member since: 22 May 2012)
This down grade move on this Core processor is a very smart strategy.
It keeps the production going, and meets the expectation date of most release dates.
the Main part of this article is " all you average Joe on the street won't notice a difference in performance." so don't worry about what's packed inside the phone. Just buy the goddamn phone.
25. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
International has better cpu, gpu, battery life, DAC, radio, faster updates. Yup just ignore it and get the US version...
7. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 313; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Where the two chips may be similar in terms of performance, I think where you'd notice a difference is in the area of power efficiency (big.LITTLE architecture). I guess this guy doesn't think we care about the amount of time between recharging?
26. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
There hoping the average kid will just believe them and get the US version. FYI Us version cost like $30 less to make than the international version, this is a money grab.
12. HASHTAG (unregistered)
Then why are you making it a big deal then if Samsung claims you won't notice a difference?
41. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
If your buying it off contract DO NOT buy a US version. The international is a better device by far and cost just as much.
79. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Buying it off contract from a carrier is cheaper than buying the international version unlocked by about $200. The off contract variants from U.S carriers are roughly $600, while the international variants is roughly $800, for the 16 GB models at least.
Or, that's the pricing from AT&T, Sprint, Negri Electronics, and Expansys.
92. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Its business for you. You will say it dosnt matter cause if you did, youre sales will have impact here in euroupe, customers will be awaiting for the exynos cpu not the crapdragon useless chip™
Such in denial@®
108. Trex95 (Posts: 571; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
Haha i do agree with you.
U.S and Canad snapdragon 600
North Korea octa-core 1.8 with LTE
113. JGuinan007 (Posts: 640; Member since: 19 May 2011)
Just wait til key lime pie comes out and your stuck with Jelly Bean six months after the exynos version got its update to Key lime pie
2. Ninetysix (Posts: 1679; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
BS. Get with the times and spend more R&D into adding LTE in your chips. Make sure the next Galaxy phone ships with the exact same chip. A lot of the average Joes on the street wants the Exynos version.
44. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
This is the sad part, the international version already has all the US bands and LTE! The only excuse for the snapdragon 600 version is either not enough eyxnos 5s being made or there cheaping out so they make more for device.
80. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Exynos 5 Octa supports many LTE bands, it's just Samsung couldn't make enough in time. The Galaxy Note 3 will probably be all Exynos, however.
3. Joosty (Posts: 26; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
Of course this is coming from a CEO lol.
"All non exynos GS4 will not be as good the octacore!"
Imagine him saying that...
46. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Lol, anyone with a brain knows the international galaxy device is always better than the US.
73. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I guarantee if I gave you and international and non gs4 you couldn't tell the difference unless you used a benchmark test.
The CEO is right. The advantage of the exynos is simply bragging rights. Nothing more.
5. Bumpingmobile (Posts: 10; Member since: 20 Feb 2013)
Well, in Spain is also coming the quad core Qualcomm Snapdragon version, so not only in U.S. and U.K.