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It's one of those days when having an Android phone with manufacturer UI feels particularly bad

0. phoneArena 24 Jul 2013, 14:50 posted on

Today turned out to be a very happy day for the not so many users sporting a Google-experience Android device, and a particularly bad day for the numerous users owning an Android device with some kind of a manufacturer skin on top...

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posted on 24 Jul 2013, 18:46 3

55. PermanentHiatus (Posts: 234; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)

Go home Ray S., you're drunk.

Does not being able to instantly upgrade to the latest OS really make people feel bad?

If it does, then you got bigger problems to worry about.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 19:16 1

58. ph00ny (Posts: 565; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I see this type of post during any major android update release but what are you really missing out? I'm currently using stock AT&T Note2 and Nexus 10 tablet as my daily driver and i haven't had a single moment where i thought "Man i'm really missing out on 4.2". This is on the top of the fact that i'm using a unrooted, stock at&t tainted rom

I think my flash counter on my old S2/Note1 were somewhere between 50~100 (Most of the flashing was done to fill my curiosity about my favorite dev's latest creation)

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 19:35 2

60. xtremesv (Posts: 180; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)

PhoneArena I don't mind the rant if only you could justify it. Really, what are those killing features 4.3 brings and makes us, 4.2 users, crave the vanilla Android experience? Some optimizations here some others there. Personally I'm getting tired of the dilemma stock versus custom Android. Normally, people who rant custom UI think their Nexus are kind of flawless devices, think they are techies with knowledge above everyone else. Make it simple, Android is about choice, if you love the "pure" Android experience buy a Nexus and be happy with it and stop criticizing other people who are content with the mods manufacturers add to their products. But if you desperately need cohesion among devices, there is always Apple and its walled garden waiting for you.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 20:22

61. steelew (Posts: 32; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)

They should introduce an off switch and allow the core of android to be updatable. I don't know if it would be the manufacturers or google but I would appreciate it if I didn't feel the need to root, unlock and install custom ROMs.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 20:29 1

62. Doakie (Posts: 836; Member since: 06 May 2009)

"but what good is this when it turns out that it's hampering the end-user experience?" Am I the only one who actually sees benefits from manufacturer ROMS? Every time I buy a phone like my HTC One and my Note 2 I root it and install an AOSP based ROM. Then the next thing I know I'm switching back to the stock ROM but rooted because there was some Value Add that was lost. For my One it was the Zoe feature, for my Note 2 it was the pen functionality. I actually end up running the stock ROM rooted with Nova Launcher on top.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 21:03

64. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)

while Samsung and other manufactures catch up pretty fast, most of use users have another bigger road block in the way called the cell provider. Verizon and others sit for months on the release of new version even after the vendors release it. They say its requires more testing, but often its so they can cripple features so they can up sale their own version or a competitive cost per month add-on. Google's base UI and feature set are pretty bland , so I am happy to see Samsung's additions and extra features. Unhappy that international users get them months before the US due to cell carriers dragging their feet.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 21:11

65. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)

The real problem is not vendors UI, but that Google doesn't write the kernel updates and hardware drivers to support the Android base updates. Each vendor has to build a new kernel and set of drivers for each major Android update because when Google releases the source, it runs on nothing but Google's captive hardware.Its not a complete software system from Google. That's the drawback to "open source"

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 00:23 1

72. rdeleonp (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Jan 2012)

No. The problem's with the closed binary blobs used as "drivers", Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. are all guilty of that.

The moment they provide full driver source, AOSP can integrate it directly.

Still hoping...

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 21:20 1

66. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Ray. That was a very nice article.

However it is also very misleading. Because that nowhere did you mention that everyone who has a device with the manufacturer's skin on it - has another option. - an insanely powerful option - to root their device and install a custom ROM. Seeing that you usually do iproducts review, I am not surprised that you didn't mention this, but your article is incomplete without pointing it out.

Oh and don't tell me that the average person will be confused and won't understand how to Do it. If you can follow instructions from a YouTube video made by a 10(!) year old kid, you can root your phone!

Update the article, Ray. Don't mislead your audience.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 22:06 1

67. iushnt (Posts: 461; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)

what exceptional features does 4.3 have over 4.2? I think custom skin of s4 has so many features that stock 4.3 doesnt have

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 00:25

73. rdeleonp (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Jan 2012)

Extra smoothness, for starters.

More details:


posted on 24 Jul 2013, 23:21

68. phonemonkey (Posts: 154; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)

I suppose no android fanboys are going to point out how slow it has been since there has been any major improvements / updates in... idk how long?
But since it isnt apple we simply cant notice

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 03:28

75. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 664; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)

I'm not at all bothered. Let the Nexus and GE owners be the guinea pigs, and we'll get the most mature version of 4.3, even if it's 4.3.1

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 03:33

76. frydaexiii (Posts: 1156; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)

No, it's one of those days when having an Exynos device (excluding S4 and Nexus 10) feels particularly bad...Because even when the AOSP is out, we know we'll never be getting a stable Cyanogenmod or a fully stable AOSP ROM for it.

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 03:35

77. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2095; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)

If updates are not there then it feels bad.

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 13:39

81. Zopkios (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Jul 2013)

I am a solid iOS guy, having all Apple products so of course I am biased! But even so, I try to be objective. If I were to question Google about Android, the one answer I would love to hear is why they allow cellphone makers and/or carriers to tamper with it. After all, it is free and Google would have every right to stipulate in a license that the manufacturer must agree to use it as is unless they have written permission from Google to change it in any way, shape, or form.

Android perhaps is a good OS but when others in the supply chain are allowed to mess with it, that is what hurts it. An Android phone can sometimes end up being a POS as a result.

I can remember back in the days before iPhone how frustrated I was when Nokia, Samsung, et. al would manufacture a phone with certain features like Bluetooth only to have carriers disable them!

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