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It's not stealing when Apple does it, because it wasn't stealing when Google did it either

0. phoneArena 13 Jun 2013, 16:17 posted on

Every time there are new features announced for iOS, there is an uproar around the web about Apple "stealing" features. I have talked before about why I think this is a silly argument, but I wanted to put up a refresher on the idea, because the claims simply won't die out. Here's the simple reason: it's not stealing when Apple does it, because it wasn't stealing when Google did it either...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:06

44. daymler (Posts: 12; Member since: 09 May 2012)


lol...my opinion was for this article - phonearena.com/news/iOS-7-how-does-it-stack-up-aga​inst-Android_id44023 .. cuz it's comparing the two oses.. my mistake..sorry ;dd

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:54 1

28. verbalize (Posts: 126; Member since: 03 May 2013)


I agree with this article 100%. This is one of the better articles phone Arena has put out. Both sides like to throw out the word innovation. And it's not even their idea.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:59 1

37. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Thanks!

posted on 14 Jun 2013, 00:43 2

180. jibraihimi (Posts: 764; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


You're welcome,Michael. This article was really very superb, and first detailed article on Phonearena in long time, which I read throughly.................. And I'm really happy to see that most of the visitors are discussing sensibly on this article, instead of plainly bashing each other, as it used to happen in other news or article........ So +200 to you michael, for this....... Stay blessed always.......

posted on 19 May 2016, 10:35

242. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 10749; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


If you take an idea and improve on it, it is a type of innovation.

However the best innovations are those that are invented with no prior foundation.

The copier, the phone and the fax are all original novel inventions. When someone took the next step and made them into one machine, it was a great innovation.

But it is not equal to something like, the original concept of the "wheel".

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:56 3

30. jibraihimi (Posts: 764; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Nice article, Michael......... Finally somebody said something full of wisdom........ If fanboy wars eases a little bit as result of this article then I think you should be really commended for it........

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:00 1

38. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Thanks!

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 21:49

159. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Another 400 words would'ev been superb Michell H®

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:06 2

43. DragonWarrioir (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Jun 2013)


@Micheal :- seems like you have really spend some time to defend IOS 7 :). Thanks for your efforts. Glad that you have missed the multitasking swipe up gesture copy from HTC sense.Good going :)

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:07 3

45. Hallucinator (Posts: 387; Member since: 24 May 2010)


And thank you for not being able to comprehend an article

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:11 1

48. DragonWarrioir (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Jun 2013)


I respect his work ...I just expressed my view...thats it :).Good to see apple merging all Android features.Am sure Micheal will spend more time writing such articles when Android 5.0 comes out ;)

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:26 1

60. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)


Where in the world is he defending iOS? I dunno where you guys get this idea?? Michael has said everyone copies and there's nothing wrong with that...
Please explain your reasoning.....

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:19 2

53. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)


Excellent article Michael! I believe innovation occurs when a person builds upon other people's ideas. That's why sometimes I think software (and some hardware) should not be patentable (slide to unlock, row of icons, etc...) I think the tech industry could have progressed much more had we not had any lawsuits.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:37

98. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Thanks!

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:20 1

56. JMartin22 (Posts: 1984; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


Apple likes to pretend they're doing it better than the competition they sourced their inspirations from, even if the competition has had all of these features many years before the former themselves. Let's not forget that it's still the same half-baked OS that's still fairly limited in what it can do, as far as potential user experience is concerned. All they (finally) did was add basic multi-tasking features any modern-day device should have.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:38

99. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Yeah, that's called marketing. Your job as a company is to get your user base excited about new products.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:20 3

57. bachir8k (Posts: 148; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)


LoL, again Micheal? I will not argue with you anymore, because you are a genuine fan for Apple, and I respect that, but let me ask you something, let's say in the IOS 7 conference, Apple introduced new features and innovations, that no body has had them before, and Samsung "borrowed" and improved them and used them on its wiz/devices, is there any chance for us (PA followers) to read this type of articles written by you??? I think the title of this article would be "Samsung is stealing again, when they will learn how to innovate their own features" :)

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:31

63. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Haha, but no, really, you have no idea what you're talking about.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:40

67. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)


I'm not certain, but a couple of months ago I think some users here criticized Michael for being an android fanboy. Now I find it ironic seeing people say it the other way around lol

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:42 2

101. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


A couple months ago? I get called an Android fanboy and an Apple fanboy every couple weeks.

The truth is, I'm a Google fan, but I respect the work of others. I don't see myself buying any Apple products for myself in the near future, but I understand those who like the products.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 21:47

158. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Good don't buy Apple products.

Android Google Ftw™

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:13

83. MartyK (Posts: 847; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


AMEN!!

+10 for you!!

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:43 1

102. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


How you choose to interpret my articles is up to you, but for the last time, my name is Michael. No Michael on Earth spells it '*eal'.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:31 1

62. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I agree that by itself Apple's borrowing from other OSes isn't *bad.* What I've always iterated is that it smacks of extreme hypocrisy that they take from everyone else without giving credit or payment, and at the same time sue everyone else for doing the same.

Granted, yes, that latter part has been winding down, so while I'm still wary, I'm not as upset this year as I have been in years past.

I think what a lot of us feel is that because Apple is such a strong brand presence in peoples' minds, they'll blindly jump for iPhones because to them iOS has the cool features AND that Apple logo on the back. It obviously won't play out like that, but I can see how people would think it.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:33

64. edfmac96 (Posts: 1; Member since: 13 Jun 2013)


I agree with this article, however I think the reason that so many people are getting upset is because Apple seems to throw a fit whenever someone seems to copy them, but they have no problem copying others.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:44

103. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


As stated in the article, that hasn't happened since Tim Cook took over.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:38

66. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


---" In the past, maybe I've been a bit too philosophical and abstract, saying that nothing has been stolen because everything is built on ideas that came before it. I thought that was a fairly straightforward argument, but every time the argument pops up again"---

It pops up again because many of the readers of this and other sites are kids still living with their parents and only care about arguing against the opposition of their choice brand without really knowing anything about the product they own. It just becomes a barrage of game playing. There never seems to be a counter rebuttal of informative info on why they own the products. It's always either "Android sucks" or "Apple sucks" or thumbs down without rebuttal. Never anything intelligent to offer.

You can always tell the adult's input from the kids. I thoroughly enjoy viewing what other adults have to offer in their experiences of good or bad with phones because they articulate with knowledge that informs.

With this said, I feel your article will fall on deaf ears once again by those that don't really care about anything except conjuring up useless, uninformative info on their device of choice. Unfortunately, these same people let useful information go over their heads. This is a shame when there is so much more to learn about products and services that make the wireless industry work.

John B.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:01

76. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)


It's not just kids. There are adults that says the same thing. I find that ignorant people are usually someone who only used one OS (lets say iOS) and criticize some other OS (lets say android) over things they heard or seen (or imagined) without actually trying it (Android lags terribly, Android is slow, etc...). These kinds of people are very attached to that particular product (or belief) so much that nothing else will convince them.

I think people should open up more so that they'll see other things that they didn't notice when they were closed minded.

What do you guys think?

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 19:57

133. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


There is no way of actually controlling whose minds open or close. In the game of debate, those that feel strongly about their opinions, can't be easily changed. There are those that purchase on the premise of self-gratification. I have a friend who purchases because he "heard" it's the best. Cars, TV's, Etc. He has done little to actually experiment with other options because he feels good about owning the perceived "best". The problem is, he also is the first to complain if something is not right to his liking with the product. Again, he does little research to find possible compromises or what actually maybe better for him.

In this case, he is not a kid as you point out so I agree with your statement. It isn't all kids. I do, however, feel that most of the time, much of the ignorant attacks are from those that just want to argue about something without really knowing about both sides of the total packages. This often equates to a common denominator. Kids with no formal experience other than hearing what others market. Perception then becomes reality to them and they only use limited, untrained knowledge of the words " it sucks" in a debate. Then they wonder why nobody gets educated on the product they try to defend.

John B.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:10

82. MartyK (Posts: 847; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Oh please Slammer,
Here's the problem-- every time Apple says anything is new or their idea the tech site ( including PA) goes haywire, even if they saw it before, they go crazy, when Android,WP WEB,BB fans try to call them out, that's when we get this type of article written ( peace & love);
They have and always find something great about Iphone vs any OS out there, the Iphone can be 10 years old vs a 2013 WP, guess who will win the comparison? Apple or they will say it's too close, or we don't compare different OS..this is old!

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