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It's not stealing when Apple does it, because it wasn't stealing when Google did it either

0. phoneArena 13 Jun 2013, 16:17 posted on

Every time there are new features announced for iOS, there is an uproar around the web about Apple "stealing" features. I have talked before about why I think this is a silly argument, but I wanted to put up a refresher on the idea, because the claims simply won't die out. Here's the simple reason: it's not stealing when Apple does it, because it wasn't stealing when Google did it either...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:25 24

1. tedkord (Posts: 12310; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Watch out, Michael. Both sides are gunning for you now.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:31 15

5. biophone (Posts: 1984; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Such is the problem with being unbiased. Any rational person regardless of os prefrence isn't gunning for him though.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 17:09 29

46. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


If everyone disagrees with me, I'm either doing my job really well or really poorly. I'm just aiming for the former.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:00 11

74. the_best (Posts: 139; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


The problem isnt that we Think that they are stealing.
The problem is that companies as apple, microsoft, google and so on keep claiming that everybody else is stealing from them even if its true or not.

And when people see these obvius thefts they get angry because these big companies never get what they deserve.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:04 19

78. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


iPhonearena..

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:20

89. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Like you I've always felt that it's not stealing and everyone b copies ideas and builds of one another.. The issue I've always had is with apples hypocrisy..you said not to judge them by Steve jobs apple but imo it looks like they still trying to run apple the Steve jobs way.. Am pretty sure they are seeing over the s3 and s4 and they were after Steve lobs death.. True apple not the only one in litigation but in most cases if anyone is suing apple it's usually just to defend themselves.. I hope your right the "new" apple will not be suing over petty things and I know it's just as much the fault of the dumbest patent system ever that these lawsuits even exist..

posted on 18 May 2016, 20:17

236. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 10731; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


If you are using someone's patented tech, and they try to license it to you and refuse to buy it and you still use it anyway, that is stealing.

Apple did t copy Xerox, they stole what they had. The iPod was a copy of existing tech. Not a big deal. The iPhone wasn't a big deal. The iPad certainly borrowed ideas from lots of products.

But they did steal product names. That wasn't copying. That was theft!

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:49 11

106. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1335; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


I thought it was a good article. I don't view the features shared by iOS, Android, and WP8 as copying each other or stealing from each other, but rather I view it in the sense of which company is actually leading and which company is just a follower. If a company is just adding features that have already existed for months or years to its devices, then to me they aren't the real leaders or innovators in the mobile space. If, however, they bring something new and innovative that others then want to put onto their devices, then they are the true leader in that respect. So, the question then becomes: with the recent introduction of iOS 7, was Apple a leader or a follower?

It looks like the readers have already made up their minds.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 20:45

145. buccob (Posts: 2578; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)


Exactly my thoughts. Thumbs up for you Dr.

And there are ways to innovate without strictly following... its true you don't have to re-invent the wheel every single time, but there are other ways to add functionality while keeping aesthetics and simplicity.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 20:53

149. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)


I completely disagree. First and foremost: tldr!!
Secondly, the tidbits I was able to quickly scan over and process with my bionic vision implied a comparison between various desktop platforms and Android (or Google Chrome) and, therefore, I am at an utter loss as to how these analogies apply specifically to two mobile operating systems, Android and iOS, respectively??

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 21:19 5

152. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1335; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


Perhaps you should read the article then and maybe you would know why he made those comparisons. I don't understand how someone can say they disagree with something when all they did was scan through the entire article. You missed a lot of important points.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 21:25

154. datoserigarylaw (unregistered)


Exactly!

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 18:54 2

112. Stuntman (Posts: 836; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


I think the quality of the comments here reflect that you are doing your job well.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 21:30 2

155. a_tumiwa (Posts: 373; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


so Michael, do u agree that Apple is wrong when they started a patent war against Samsung and the others?

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 21:46

157. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4492; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


See I've been saying something similar to this for awhile now. I'd mention a feature that was supposedly new, and then bring up that they've had that feature on desktops & laptops for quite awhile. The response I'd always get was "Yeah, but this is on a phone!" So what? A smartphone is basically a pocket computer with radios to make wireless calls. All of these OSs for these phones could work or be adapted to work on a non mobile platform. So rather than re-issuing patents for mobile, they should go off of the original patent that's applicable, whether desktop or mobile. I'd bet a lot of the patents that people are suing over would be invalid because what they did was adapt someone else's patent to work on their device, and figured since it's on a mobile device that's new ground.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 23:15

171. joey_sfb (Posts: 6037; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


I agree with you 100% that why Samsung and the rest of the world was shock when Apple sue Samsung over their design patent.

Now everyone want to sue every body else over design and software patents. Learn about the new Oracle and Google follow-up law suit. Oracle and Microsoft wants more protection over their codes.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 23:17 1

172. Mittal (Posts: 493; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


your thoughts on features having been present in other devices/platforms in some form or the other makes sense. But when we talk about taking inspiration from real life scenarios, to some extent , yes, we can say that its not a case of pure genious, but we must credit the first company to adopt that feature for its farsightedness and confidence to do the new thing in the electronic world.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 23:40 1

174. haroonazeem638 (Posts: 141; Member since: 29 Mar 2011)


It is not the stealing part that should really bother anyone. With so many advancements in technology, it is almost impossible to come up with something that may not have existed before. This is because every new technology MUST depend on older technologies. Otherwise, it's like saying that everyone has been stealing from GOD.

The reason why Apple is highlighted in this issue most is because of the terms they use when introducing products. You can't copy something and call it innovative or new or whatever term you want to use. You copied it, fine! Move on. So there IS a difference here.

posted on 14 Jun 2013, 01:26

184. Anti-troll-returns (banned) (Posts: 11; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Stop putting ban on me.

posted on 14 Jun 2013, 07:51 2

207. JunitoNH (Posts: 1898; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


@Michael

This is the reason adults run the world, not children. Fantasy is one thing, reality a whole different story.

posted on 14 Jun 2013, 18:05

224. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I agree with this article, Michael. I just wish an article like this popped up when soooo many fanboys accused Google, Android of copying Apple, iOS.

So...in that sense expect some backlash for this article....lol.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:28 26

2. Anti-Troll (banned) (Posts: 64; Member since: 12 Jun 2013)


PHONEARENA DEFENDING IOS!
Hahaha!
And yet you are calling yourself unbiased.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:30 50

4. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


And, there's the first person to completely misread the article...

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:34 5

8. Anti-Troll (banned) (Posts: 64; Member since: 12 Jun 2013)


Thanks for replying. This is the first time that you have replied me.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 20:37 1

141. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Cause you're new to PA®

posted on 14 Jun 2013, 01:27

185. Anti-troll-returns (banned) (Posts: 11; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


I am not new kiddo.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:37 15

11. Anti-Troll (banned) (Posts: 64; Member since: 12 Jun 2013)


But the point is.. They steal from it others. patent it and yet call it "innovation". They even sue others. That is not fair.
For Example: iOS 7 multitasking is copied from WebOS/WP8 multitasking, did they gave credits? No.

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:42 11

17. feres13 (Posts: 306; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)


Has MS gave credits to WebOS when they copied their Multitasking UI in WP?? No

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 16:53 19

27. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Ah feres got my point exactly

posted on 13 Jun 2013, 23:42 1

175. haroonazeem638 (Posts: 141; Member since: 29 Mar 2011)


YES, but when Apple copies, they also go to court for silly things they didn't really invent.

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