It may become illegal to unlock your phone starting Saturday
0. phoneArena posted on 24 Jan 2013, 14:55
Do you all remember that ruckus that happened over whether or not it was illegal to jailbreak your mobile device? Well, that whole fiasco is poised to come back in a bad way this weekend. As part of that decision, it may become illegal to unlock your smartphone starting this Saturday, January 26th, unless you get permission from your carrier...
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1. JonBjSig posted on 24 Jan 2013, 14:58 69 1
It's funny how in the US it's illegal for a customer to unlock their phone but here in Iceland it's illegal for a carrier to lock your phone.
3. JunitoNH posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:07 70 1
Because here, in the US, politicians are like hookers. They go to bed with anyone with enough money, enough said!!!!
27. Mxyzptlk posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:50 9 16
Iceland and the US have totally different views and customs. You technically don't own the device until you fully pay it out on your contract, e.g. Subsidized phones.
41. Nadr1212 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 16:52 11 2
How do you not own what you LEGALLY purchase with your own, personal, hard earned money?!?!?!
49. Mxyzptlk posted on 24 Jan 2013, 19:28 5 8
You don't fully pay for the phone until your contract obligations for the phone are fulfilled.
43. true1984 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 17:14 10 0
so what about when you buy off contract? doesnt that mean you own it since you arent paying a subsidized price?
50. Mxyzptlk posted on 24 Jan 2013, 19:28 3 2
If you bought it new and off contract yeah.
73. metalpoet (unregistered) posted on 25 Jan 2013, 19:48 0 1
Im sorry but I actually approve of it being illegal in the U.S. for rooting, jailbreaking, or unlocking your device if your under contract. I know its not a popular opinion but those people that want to buy devices that are already unlocked directly affect my job and therefore I am against it.
And to Mxyzptlk:
Normally We never see eye to eye but I agree with you that no one truly owns their device until their contract is fulfilled or they buy the deivce out right. Thats the reason why contracts exist in the cellphone world, because Wireless Carriers have 2 years of gauranteed revenue from you and in exchange they will let you to a rent to own on that $700 cellphone :)
47. CheapSocks posted on 24 Jan 2013, 18:13 1 1
Well this is gonna be rather hard to enforce on android devices. You see the whole open source thing makes unlocking/ exploiting kinda hard to fight.
51. Mxyzptlk posted on 24 Jan 2013, 19:29 3 7
Android isn't fully open sourced. Locked bootloaders should be enough to tell you that.
52. OptimusOne posted on 24 Jan 2013, 20:03 4 2
Do you even know what is open source
Open source is when the source code is available on the web and that it is free for anyone to use
Its nothing to do with boot loaders or locked or whatnot
57. MichaelHeller posted on 24 Jan 2013, 21:04 3 3
Android is quasi-open source, because while the source code is made available, it isn't made available until Google releases it. It's not like you can go in and help with the code for Android Key Lime Pie while Google is working on it right now, like you can with Ubuntu or Firefox.
Locked bootloaders don't matter, but Mxy was almost right.
72. iCandy posted on 25 Jan 2013, 15:37 2 0
Mike, sorry but your argument makes little sense. I can't imagine that the GPL requires a developer to publish non-final/unstable code (i.e. every time a character is added or removed from the code, intentionally or not). However, I would agree with you if you had claimed that Android does not comply with the GPL since it requires, in theory, all software associated with Android to be also be distributed as open-source (drivers, third party apps, etc.), which I can't imagine they all are.
53. OptimusOne posted on 24 Jan 2013, 20:08 5 0
You are a typical iPhone user
Ignorant Stupid One sided
56. networkdood posted on 24 Jan 2013, 20:52 2 0
locked bootloaders does not disallow the modding of a phone - on my DROID RAZR, locked BL, I use safestrap with TWRP recovery and can flash a JB ROM on it....and the one I have now is still better than the new JB update.
67. CheapSocks posted on 25 Jan 2013, 00:55 1 0
locking a bootloader is entirely up to the manufacturer and carrier and even that can be easily broken since the code work for the newest versions of android has to be released.
4. BadAssAbe posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:07 27 0
I suddenly just became a fan of iceland :-)
Can we borrow a few of your government officials? We trade you 2 for the price of 1?
22. medicci37 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:42 17 0
Yeah. Iceland seems to have alot more respect for consumers than the US.
42. Zero0 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 16:54 2 0
Maybe that's what the plan is. It's illegal to unlock your phone, because it will never be locked in the first place.
That would be a heck of a twist.
48. torr310 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 19:17 2 0
So maybe it's better not to get the subsidized phones now...
Switching to T-Mobile after my contract ends.
69. jsdechavez posted on 25 Jan 2013, 01:57 0 0
In the Philippines, most handsets come unlocked. Well, except for those few postpaid subscribers..
2. JunitoNH posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:05 9 0
"To be clear, this will make it illegal to unlock carrier-locked devices without permission from your carrier." Is time for the American people to wake up from their fog, and start doing the right thing. Perhaps, we should dump, yes I know is never going to happen, carriers with locked devices and see what happens. I refuse to count minutes and text. Furthermore, not going to pay $10-20 for text packages, when I know the cost is minimal to the particular carrier. Verizon, think their providing an invaluable deal with their share everything. I rather go old school, purchase a flip phone, and use the internet when home.
7. Captain_Doug posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:14 5 1
American people =/= government officials. Nobody likes this except carriers and those who they are paying.
8. MichaelHeller posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:17 10 1
T-Mobile is already moving away from locked devices. The thing I wonder about is that Verizon said moving away from contracts is a good idea, but that doesn't necessarily mean moving away from locked devices.
17. PAPINYC (limited) 4 days ago posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:34 0 5
Actually, I had a very lovely conversation with a Verizon Data Technical Support Supervisor this past Sunday, apparently, my Verizon Galaxy Note 2, like the Iphone 5, is already unlocked. She said that most Verizon 4G phones are now unlocked, unlike Global 3G phones which have to be unlocked. Anyhoot, what I don't understand about the article, are we to infer that Jailbreak = unlocked and that the so called illegality of the jailbreak would also imply illegality of a rooted phone since, jailbreak and root are synonymous in certain technical circles??
23. MichaelHeller posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:44 7 1
Jailbreak doesn't equal unlocked. Jailbreak and root are synonymous, but they are different from unlocking. Jailbreak and root are legal because the court determined that users own the software on the device, but as of Saturday, we apparently don't own the hardware that we purchase, so unlocking becomes illegal.
I'll update the article to explain this.
30. PAPINYC (limited) 4 days ago posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:52 1 1
Thanks, I thought so. I read the article in the context of unlocking being the same as jailbreaking (or rooting) which confused me as to which process was, in fact, soon-to-be illegal.
31. gaby1451 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:53 2 0
Okay, do it quickly because people need to know and I'm about to post this on my wall.
62. bvalde09 posted on 25 Jan 2013, 00:01 0 0
Michael I have a question and maybe you could research into this. What about us getting a phone on ebay and the unlock the phone paying a retail seller? Would that be illegal? I mean I dont think so but its what I understand
66. MorePhonesThanNeeded posted on 25 Jan 2013, 00:33 0 0
I am confused, unlocking the phone is somehow something hardware associated? Color me surprised, I was sure that the Lock was a software lock and not a hardware lock and since we own the software then wouldn't that make the lock illegal to begin with? Who writes the dumb as hell rules, you own the software when you purchase the phone but you don't own the hardware, yet it's illegal to unlock it without your carriers consent but it's a software lock and not hardware lock...so I find something completely wrong with this whole story.
Someone please explain, as of now I find this crazy. Another thing how would you lock the hardware?!? Anyone else confused?
5. CivicSi89 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:08 11 0
Im seriously getting sick of this. YOU purchased your hardware. You should be able to do whatever you want to said hardware. So what you signed a contract? That is with the carrier you chose NOT THE MAKER OF THE DEVICE! Its all the same when you buy a laptop. if you decide "nah i want Linux on it" you dont void any type of waranties when you do that. why not the same with Phones?!
60. 9thWonderful posted on 24 Jan 2013, 23:42 0 0
Adding Linux is not tampering with the hardware, that's software. Try tampering with your laptop hardware & then try warranting it out. It's not just phones. You can't modify the hardware bc it affects the warranty on the equipment. Not sure why ppl think this is unreasonable. It's really not that big of a deal.
6. BadAssAbe posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:11 4 2
Straight Talk (ATT Network)
$45 for unlimited everything
Nexus 4 (eventually)
13. regkilla posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:29 3 1
Too bad they slow your data speeds down after 2 GB of usage.
18. HDShatter posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:35 3 1
Tmobile is cheaper if you use less than 100 min of voice and want 5gb data + unlimited 3g its only $30.
11. nnaatthhaannx2 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:24 5 0
I totally thought this was about Apple and slide-to-unlock before I read the artilce, lol.
12. regkilla posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:25 1 2
glad my Verizon iPhone 5 already comes unlocked ;)
14. Captain_Doug posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:29 1 0
What's the purpose of unlocking a carrier specific phone? You can't switch carriers...
16. regkilla posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:32 2 0
I'm not on contract with it so I could use it on T-Mobile as well.
26. Captain_Doug posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:45 2 0
Eventually true. I'm pretty excited about T-mobile refarming their 1900 mhz spectrum. I was also unaware of the iphone 5's radios. That's cool it has both CDMA and GSM. Too bad T-mobile will use 1700 mhz for LTE which isn't supported by the iphone 5.
33. Captain_Doug posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:54 0 0
I forgot t-mobile already has some of that finished so depending on where you live you're in luck. You probably know that though.... I'm gonna go learn more about everything.
29. MichaelHeller posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:50 2 1
You can't switch carriers with a Verizon device (unless it has a GSM radio in it), but you can unlock to switch between AT&T, T-Mobile, or any regional GSM carrier.
32. Captain_Doug posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:54 1 0
I understand that. I assumed the Verizon iphone didn't have a GSM radio but it does. It isn't widely supported by t-mobile yet but will be.
55. networkdood posted on 24 Jan 2013, 20:50 1 0
Even if the Verizon device has a GSM band, it is not guaranteed to work properly with T-Mobile or AT&T. And, with LTE, you even have more differences between all of the carrier's LTE networks. LTE works on different bands, too:
19. cripton805 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:36 5 0
Next thing you know, we wont be able to paint our cars or add cases to our phones.
We already get tickets for leaving the trash can out, or growing carrots in your front yard.
20. HDShatter posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:37 5 0
Just unlocked my phone before it becomes illegal again... Hopefully they put a permanent law that will force carriers to let you do what you want with your phone. You would think the carriers would want you to mess with your phone so when you break it they get to charge you $600 for a new one.
21. nyamo posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:39 2 0
my carrier susidies are over anyway, i'm tired of all the bloat they put on, if it weren't for my wife's phone failing earlier than anticipated we would already be on the prepaid train
28. rusticguy posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:50 1 0
Good India doesn't have this carrier locked crap.
35. chris_t610 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 15:58 2 0
Now I think this is plain stupidity. Technically, any devices that are still under contract means these are still under the carrier's discretion -- but again, these are the phones themselves (meaning the carrier reserves the right to pull back the device should the customer chooses not to continue with the service within the contract period).
As for the software, the end user has the right to do whatsoever he/she wishes to do with the said device and that includes rooting/jailbreaking. Otherwise, they might as well consider downloading apps, documents, and the like to be illegal as well since these are manipulated by the user.
Bottom line; as long as the customer is paying for his services, I think the customer reserves the right to do whatever pleases him with the device.
36. speckledapple posted on 24 Jan 2013, 16:09 3 0
I could give a damn whether or not they think we should unlock the device or not. But the device is MINE and I would love anyone to tell me differently. Last time I checked there are no guys in suits coming to my door taking my phone if i do not pay my bill. I pay for the service. Man, what is up with this country.
39. 14545 posted on 24 Jan 2013, 16:22 4 1
Ok, that's fine. Then if I don't "own" the hardware, then stop making me pay for it. They should force the carrier, with that kind of logic, to give the phones free with our service......But now I am making too much sense. Stop allowing the carriers to lock phones then we won't have a problem.
63. 9thWonderful posted on 25 Jan 2013, 00:07 0 0
They do offer phones for free with the service, but unfortunately not the ones that anyone wants right? You can't have your cake & eat it too bro. You're paying $199 for a $650 phone. You dont make any sense at all. Which would you rather do, pay $500-600 each time you want a new phone to say you "own" it or pay $99-199 to pipe down enjoy some of the latest & greatest phones out there? People throw around their measly dollars & feel that they are entitled to tell a business what should happen. Just don't get that kind of logic.