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It is time for manufacturers to provide more detail about available storage on devices

0. phoneArena 10 May 2013, 18:00 posted on

With just about every computing device purchased nowadays, it is generally accepted actual usable...

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posted on 10 May 2013, 18:08 18

1. tiara6918 (Posts: 2076; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


Yep,they should provide real information about the product since that is what you're paying for. They should at least mention in the specs sheet of their devices the number of storage available(example:32gb-25gb user available)

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:24 5

9. night_elf (Posts: 45; Member since: 02 Apr 2013)


How can you give an information when the final firmware is put together by carriers (with their bloat ware)? I think this i really exaggerated, especially when you have the MicroSD card option (I have a 64GB Class10 card), It's just a lot of fuss about nothing, I mean its obvious that the OS will take some space.

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:34 11

13. darkkjedii (Posts: 22156; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


If the final firmware is put together by carriers, then they can list it. All she's saying is that it should be listed.

posted on 10 May 2013, 19:31 12

17. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)


They need to make a manufacturing law where the device has as much storage as advertised. So instead of having 16gb storage would really be like 24gb with 16gb user usable.

posted on 10 May 2013, 21:13 2

21. Hemlocke (unregistered)


THIS.

posted on 10 May 2013, 21:21 1

22. darkkjedii (Posts: 22156; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Yes they do.

posted on 10 May 2013, 22:02 1

24. moroninc (Posts: 193; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)


what makes you think its a she?? i bet she got more likes because people think its a she.

posted on 11 May 2013, 09:16 1

38. apple4never (Posts: 1064; Member since: 08 May 2013)


cuz there's a friggin profile pic of a girl

posted on 11 May 2013, 19:18 1

42. darkkjedii (Posts: 22156; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Maybe it's the profile pick. Mine is actual, so I assume hers is too. +1 apple4never.

posted on 10 May 2013, 21:36 2

23. moroninc (Posts: 193; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)


not a deal breaker.. besides a microsd card, we can also root the device and remove all the friggin bloatware thats taking up the space. dont know why people are making such a big deal out of it, the sales are still strong because people see it as a non-issue

posted on 10 May 2013, 22:23

26. sharks (Posts: 236; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)


Well, i have to agree 100%. It's already a hassle for those who aren't quite tech-savvy and it definitely feels like we're being robbed since the product states clearly a specified amount of memory space for what we're paying for but then we obviously always get less storage space on the device after formatting and additional space lost to any OS and pre-loaded software included by the manufacturer. This persistent and accentuating problem applies to any type of media storage; add an internal hard drive to your PC, buy an external USB pendrive, phone, tablet, phablet, etc. So, really, thank you, PhoneArena, for finally raising this highly controversial but persistent "dishonest" practice against unsuspecting and powerless consumers. We haven't been able to do anything as consumers, as that's the way the industry has always been functioning and we need it to change so we know exactly how much usable memory we are paying for!

posted on 10 May 2013, 23:20

29. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Totally agree with you! They should at least mention the number of storage available in the specs sheet since this is what we're paying for! These manufacturers need to know that we pay them money and they need to provide us a full detailed service!

posted on 10 May 2013, 23:46

30. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)


Never a problem to me. Lesser space is expected, and if you are well informed enough you should even know what OS takes up how much space. When i buy a new laptop i would expect 50GB already used up by OS and extra stuff the guys at the retailer installs for me (At my place, buying a new laptop, the shop sales person installs all the most commonly used software for you for free, including download accelerators, torrents, skype, extra browsers, etc).

If im buying a 16 Gb windows phone, 14.X space is only available for a 16 GB storage, and OS takes up around 3GB, not to mention preloaded apps, maps, etc. If you have brains to think and knowledge to back up yu wouldnt be ranting about these storage issues because you know in detail what is in your new tablet and phone. Those who are lacking knowledge bark louder knowing nothing.

The amount of space left for the Surface tabs and MacBook Air is not surprising to me (more like, already expected). But i do agree Galaxy S4's half used up space is kinda on the ridiculous side.

posted on 11 May 2013, 09:19

39. apple4never (Posts: 1064; Member since: 08 May 2013)


youre probably tech savvy, lets say a first time smartphone buyer gets a phone with 16gb onboard thinking itll last them a year or two, then when they open up their smartphone they see like 8.5 gb available, they have to cancel their contract or spend additional money. Im just saying it can be a nuiscence for some people

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:11 3

2. vincelongman (Posts: 4577; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Defiantly agree, if it says 16 GB or whatever, you get 16 GB or whatever free storage. Even with my 32GB iPod Touch 4 I get 28.5 GB which is pretty close to 32 GB, but there still 3.5 GB missing which I'd love to have.

posted on 10 May 2013, 19:23 6

16. akki20892 (Posts: 3901; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


no u can't because it reserve by os. That's y

posted on 10 May 2013, 20:46

19. BlueForce (Posts: 26; Member since: 02 Apr 2013)


Wrong. Manufacturers of memory go by the regular standard of 1000 being a new tier. So 1000mb makes 1gb to them however to electronics it is 1024mb to make 1gb therefore you are losing excess of 24mb per gb due to bytes, and all the way up to a GB. The way the companies label their space should be changed to mention 1024 as the standard.

posted on 10 May 2013, 22:16

25. vincelongman (Posts: 4577; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


I know, you missed my point. I think they should put extra space to make up for the space the OS uses. So in my opinion I should get an extra 4 GB so then I will have 32 GB that I can use.

posted on 11 May 2013, 06:23

35. BlueForce (Posts: 26; Member since: 02 Apr 2013)


Oh i know what you mean I was just trying to let people know why space is never all there. And they can't make memory in odd sizes I don't believe. Only in multiples of 8. And yes that would be great if you could have 16gb or 32gb usable but I don't think that'll happen. Also, I was saying wrong to that guy not you. But really, who uses that much space on apps? I have I think 12 additional apps on my phone and that's it and I remove them when I'm done with them never needing more than 1gb for app space.

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:12 5

3. vandroid (Posts: 328; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)


Manufacturers need to include 32 gbs and a memory card slot

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:13 3

4. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4004; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Samsung has told people to buy an SD card for storage purposes if what's provided is not enough. Why do you have to keep whining? /s
By the way, stop taking S4's name, the fans hate it! :P

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:22

8. darkkjedii (Posts: 22156; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Nathan they should specify though. 16 gigs of internal storage is true, but tell the buyer how much of that is actually user available. Now that the 32 gig s4 is out, my interest has risen. Being a primary iPhone user, I'm used to gobs of internal storage on my 64 gig. You're gonna rag on me for this lol, but even my "note 2" had 10.7 available out the box and I thought that was terrible.

posted on 11 May 2013, 10:30

40. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4004; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Haha...rag you, i won't. What i wrote was just a joke. I remember writting on an article in PA, which i forgot, like manufacturers should leave the 'claimed' available flash memory in the phone but reserve a separate block for the OS. They would know the size of it certainly...that won't be a hard thing to do.

posted on 11 May 2013, 19:21

43. darkkjedii (Posts: 22156; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


True, it wouldn't. How's it going bro?

posted on 12 May 2013, 08:58

46. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4004; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


I'm all good bro! I'm all good!
Been hovering around PA but don't feel like commenting much...the fanboism is getting too much to bear.

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:15 2

5. Atrixboyyy (Posts: 370; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


ive always hated the way storage was advertised.

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:16 3

6. darkkjedii (Posts: 22156; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Totally ridiculous is what this is. The author hit the nail on the head, when he said the 16 gig s4 is the 8 gig s4.

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:19 3

7. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4004; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


I think he meant that the actual free space is around 8GB and it was kind of like 8GB version instead...so you know, the number name game.

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:26

11. darkkjedii (Posts: 22156; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Yeah but in actuality, since you can't remove the bloat ware...it actually is an 8 gigger. The bad part comes when you want to record vids in 1080p to watch on that gorgeous screen. 1080p vids will take up hella file storage, and though you can select a lower res...isn't that defeating the point of a having a screen that pretty. And let's not even mention games. And other apps that can't be installed on sd. It can get problematic bro.

posted on 10 May 2013, 18:25 3

10. lyndon420 (Posts: 4565; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I agree. Anybody ever buy an external hard drive only for it to have have its advertised storage cut in half once you turn on? I'm assuming that no one would be happy with that.

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