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Is HTC working on a 5-inch flagship smartphone?

0. phoneArena 06 Aug 2012, 05:46 posted on

According to industry sources, a 5-inch HTC flagship handset is being prepared for a launch later this year, supposedly in September or October...

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posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:00 1

54. hung2900 (Posts: 958; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


Anyone mentioned about the resolution changed by software? The power consumption has no relation to that resolution. The new iPad stil has worse time usage than iPad 2 when playing the same video.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/new-ipad-battery-test-complete-see-how-it-did/

So now do you agree with my first argument - 3000 mAh is not enough for that 1080p screen?

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:07 1

56. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


You as well ! I really don't like fanboys(hence my name, lol) But yeah like I said to PhoneArenaUser, Fanboys argue off an emotional basis almost all the time, so when you critique their favored brand, they take it as if you are insulting them personally lol! Not to talk trash or anything, but King Kurogii is the biggest example of this, me and him have gotten into it so many times now but what never changes is his emotional connections to Motorola products lol.. Anyhow, I love tech talk, I hate fanboys haha =P

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:18 1

58. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I also 100% know hat each physical pixel is always on load because activated LCD pixels do not flash on/off between frames, that's mean liquid crystals have to be always on certain load because they have to keep certain angle to be able refract light coming from back-light through diffuser and provide right colour. (Basically there should be three different angles, one for Red, one for Green and one for Blue.) and If it is true, then transistors shold move only when liquid crystals change angle in other words physical pixels changes colours and this theory should prove your assumptions about transistors.

So, according to this theory, your assumption is right. But now in my head just have arised new theory which can break this previous theory and I'm a bit confused. LOL! :D

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:26

59. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


Well remember, the transistors dictate the angle at which the helix twists from it's native 90 degree angle -- zero value being no electricity is passed through the LC(sub-pixel receives no light) one value being all the electricity passes through the LC, (causing the sub-pixel to run at full brightness), and the medians in between representing a partial amount of light being allowed through the helix. My guess is that full power is always being issued to the transistor itself, irregardless of whether or not it is letting light to the helix.

But yes you were right.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:36

60. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"But yes you were right."

Right that software based resolution doesn't affect power consumptions or right because of my comment #58.

Because at the momen in my head, there is some different theories and few of them says that software based resolution changes power consumptions and few of them says that software based resolution doesn't change power consumptions. I'm a bit confused now. :D

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:43

62. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


When I said you were right, I was goin goff that fact that you said my assumptions were right.

I'm confused now to.. Wait you said that every pixel is always on "load". How so? LCD sub-pixels are always "on" but not at an equal intensity, if that were the case, then the screen would be white all the time, because that is the color you get when you blast all subpixels.

And remember, the transistors come before the LC, which come before the sub-pixels.

Remember, sub-pixels have their own transistors and liquid crystals to tinker with.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:46

63. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


But there still may be something about what we didn't thinked, something about transistors and refresh frequency (Hz). :/

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:50

64. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"I'm confused now to.. Wait you said that every pixel is always on "load". How so?"

Ok, I will try to explain why I think so, just wait, at the moment I'm typing a bit slow.

"And remember, the transistors come before the LC, which come before the sub-pixels."

Yes I know that.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 17:51

65. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


Refresh rate is how many times the image on the screen refreshes per second, and yes, that complicates this whole thing. But refresh rates are lower on phones that on conventional monitors.

EDIT: This is pretty hard to confuse with Frames per Second and one thing I've been trying to figure out is : If the refresh rate of a monitor is 60Hz (60 times a second), then wouldn't any increase in frames past 60 on a 60hz produce a negligible effect because the actual monitor won't keep up with the pictures being outputted to it?

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 18:30

68. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


Remember, the amount of voltage that enters the liquid crystal is dependant of how much voltage is allowed by the transistor. The transistor itself either switches to a zero values to represent no voltage going through the LC, therefore no light on the Sub-pixel ( though this is only true when there is no power, as LCD pixels do not turn off sub-pixels to display blacks), there is a one value, which represents all the voltage going through the transistor to the LC, and thus, the sub-pixel is at full-blast, and the transistor can partially turn on to represent partial amounts of light to enter the LC, which is how the color spectrums are formed.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 18:39

70. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


Yes, what you are saying makes sense, but how about a scenario when the sub-pixel must display a certain color, and the transistor much adjust the switch. Because there is a constant voltage being applied without anything being done, extra voltage would be required for the transistor to swtich (even though it would be a little amount of voltage, the number adds up as you scale it across the board to all pixels).

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 18:42

72. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Remember, the amount of voltage that enters the liquid crystal is dependant of how much voltage is allowed by the transistor."

But wait, does that doesn't prove that transistors works all the time? If they are working all the time, then it doesn't matter what is software resolution, the power consumptions still be the same?

I'm a bit confused again. :/

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 19:05

75. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I just have reconsidered everything again, and I agree that if there is two displays with different numbers of pixels, then yes, power consumptions will be different.

But if there is two monitors with the same number of pixels just running on the different software rezolutions, power consumptions will be the same for both because doesn't matter what is software resolution, working number of pixels is still the same.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 19:13

76. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I'm not a fan boy, I just don't like Apple as a company but that doesn't make me a fan boy of any other company or brand, I just don't like Apple as a company because of Apples politics and morality. How they achieve their objectives and goals.

I'm fan of technologies and when I'm choosing device, I pay attention to specifications and other technical things, quality and so on.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 19:19

77. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


You must not know about HTC, because their two suppliers for screens have always been Samsung/Sony and AUO Optronics.

Anyways, LCD uses far less power than AMOLED, especially at high pixel densities. More likely than not though a 5 inch screen only needs 340 ppi.

posted on 07 Aug 2012, 01:00

83. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


LOL YOUVE GOTTEN INTO IT WITH KINGKUROGIII TOO?!?!?! LOL

I swear he must work for Motorola. I have mad respect for Motorola especially now that theyre acquired by Google but, cmon... with all the phones theyve put out in the market the RAZR line are the only ones that are outstanding. The rest have been mediocre including the Atrix.

He tried to argue with me that the Photon from Sprint was an awesome phone... I'VE OWNED IT AND IT WAS TERRIBLE.

I look up to people like "The Woz" that although he co-founded Apple, owns a RAZR, and says he wants to buy a Surface. THAT man is NOT a Fanboy. Hes the real deal.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:04 2

3. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


5-inch, I'm not not interested, but good luck for HTC. :)

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:47 7

13. ajac09 (Posts: 1482; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


your not so why post? alot of other people are.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:49 2

14. wendygarett (unregistered)


Mind as well buy a nexus... Cheaper and bigger screen...

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:52 2

15. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"your not so why post?"

Why not? Or I'm not free to express my opinion?

"alot of other people are."

And I don't deny that.

What is your problem?

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:11 1

39. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Don't judge too soon as it sounds like this device does not have physical menu buttons. The screen maybe 5 inch but if bezel is minimised the device maybe the same size as the one x

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:38

41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Agree it may, but something forces me to think taht it won't. Just a feeling. :D

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:11 3

6. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1542; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


I doubt it will be 5 inches, 1080p would give a 440 of pixel density. That's way more than needed, as in nomral conditions you can't really see any pixel over 300 dpi.
I would assumer it's a 9 or 10 inches tablet.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:15 10

7. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)


Overkilling specs are what attracts tech savvy customers.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:34

10. MeoCao (unregistered)


b-c the software keys' placement is fixed I think it's 7" tablet like N7.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 07:41 3

11. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Well yes, but most tech savvy people would know that 1080p on a display that size would be way overkill, and wouldn't want to waste power on pushing pixels they can't even see for the most part.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 08:01 1

17. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)


Just the curiousity of wanting to try out a full HD phone is reason enough for them to get one.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 08:04 2

18. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3725; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


I disagree with that, Berzerk000. I consider myself very tech savvy & I understand everything about diminishing returns on ppi, but we're talking about egos here. If one of my friends picks this up, I don't want him to have any reason to say his phone is better than mine. I'm gonna want that 1080p screen, too even though I know it's superfluous. It's all about the bragging rights.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 08:15 5

22. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Bragging rights are nice, but I usually try to keep away from them. I'll take any screen thats over 300 ppi, and if someone brags that they have a 1080p screen vs. mine, I can just explain to them that the human eye can't detect pixels over 300 ppi, so having that many more pixels just wastes your battery and puts extra strain on your GPU.

2 things might happen then, they either agree with me and stop bragging; or just they just keep bragging and I don't want anything to do with them anyways. I get some people aren't very tech savvy, but I think they can understand that some things are just useless and actually do more harm than good for a device.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 08:40 1

25. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3725; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


Fair enough. Can't disagree with that.

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