Is HTC working on a 5-inch flagship smartphone?
0. phoneArena 06 Aug 2012, 05:46 posted on
According to industry sources, a 5-inch HTC flagship handset is being prepared for a launch later this year, supposedly in September or October...
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72. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Remember, the amount of voltage that enters the liquid crystal is dependant of how much voltage is allowed by the transistor."
But wait, does that doesn't prove that transistors works all the time? If they are working all the time, then it doesn't matter what is software resolution, the power consumptions still be the same?
I'm a bit confused again. :/
63. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
But there still may be something about what we didn't thinked, something about transistors and refresh frequency (Hz). :/
65. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Refresh rate is how many times the image on the screen refreshes per second, and yes, that complicates this whole thing. But refresh rates are lower on phones that on conventional monitors.
EDIT: This is pretty hard to confuse with Frames per Second and one thing I've been trying to figure out is : If the refresh rate of a monitor is 60Hz (60 times a second), then wouldn't any increase in frames past 60 on a 60hz produce a negligible effect because the actual monitor won't keep up with the pictures being outputted to it?
69. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"I'm confused now to.. Wait you said that every pixel is always on "load". How so?"
If you want to keep liquid crystal "rotated" to certain angle, you should keep liquid crystal "loaded" on certain voltage all the time.
And there is proof, not only CRT, PLASMA and OLED based monitors can get Burn-In effet, but LCD monitors also can get it (the difference is that on LCD monitor Burn-In effect is not permanent). Burn-In effect happens on LCD monitors because liquid crystal over certain time (on static image) tend to get static load. When liquid crystals gets static load they are unable to change angle and we see Burn-In effect on the monitor.
Why liquid crystals gets static load? Because when monitor shows an image (static image), all (each) liquid crystals are set on certain voltage and if we long time keep the same voltage, liquid crystals gets static load and freezes on certain angle.
Sorry it is a bit hard to explain, because my English isn't perfect. :)
70. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Yes, what you are saying makes sense, but how about a scenario when the sub-pixel must display a certain color, and the transistor much adjust the switch. Because there is a constant voltage being applied without anything being done, extra voltage would be required for the transistor to swtich (even though it would be a little amount of voltage, the number adds up as you scale it across the board to all pixels).
75. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I just have reconsidered everything again, and I agree that if there is two displays with different numbers of pixels, then yes, power consumptions will be different.
But if there is two monitors with the same number of pixels just running on the different software rezolutions, power consumptions will be the same for both because doesn't matter what is software resolution, working number of pixels is still the same.
44. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)
Resolution is a bigger factor than the screen size because you need a powerhouse of a graphics chip to render video on each and every pixel.
However, I agree that 3000mAh is not enough. Perhaps 3500-4500.
46. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Yes, I agree, but we were talking only about screen departament without any GPU or any other hardware.
47. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Reply to Bucko =P
You are right here, but he was arguing on the basis of how much power the ONLY the screen itself consumes.
49. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)
True, but I dont think its fair to conclude that resolution does not affect power consumption. I was replying to an earlier post where PhoneArenaUser said it was irrelevant.
A higher resolution will always be acompanied by additional hardware and software that can actually push it. So you have to factor that in regardless.
52. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)
BTW I too want to commend YOU in particular Objectivism. Its rare to find comments that are unbiased. Most people that comment ARE in fact fanboys that are emotionally attached to a brand, and it is rather difficult to have a discussion since they mistake discussing with fighting. Just as their opinons are based on emotion, so are their responses when questioned.
Your comments are pretty long but I can sit though and read the whole thing since your actually speaking through knowledge and not trying to bash others or brands.
56. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
You as well ! I really don't like fanboys(hence my name, lol) But yeah like I said to PhoneArenaUser, Fanboys argue off an emotional basis almost all the time, so when you critique their favored brand, they take it as if you are insulting them personally lol! Not to talk trash or anything, but King Kurogii is the biggest example of this, me and him have gotten into it so many times now but what never changes is his emotional connections to Motorola products lol.. Anyhow, I love tech talk, I hate fanboys haha =P
76. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I'm not a fan boy, I just don't like Apple as a company but that doesn't make me a fan boy of any other company or brand, I just don't like Apple as a company because of Apples politics and morality. How they achieve their objectives and goals.
I'm fan of technologies and when I'm choosing device, I pay attention to specifications and other technical things, quality and so on.
83. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)
LOL YOUVE GOTTEN INTO IT WITH KINGKUROGIII TOO?!?!?! LOL
I swear he must work for Motorola. I have mad respect for Motorola especially now that theyre acquired by Google but, cmon... with all the phones theyve put out in the market the RAZR line are the only ones that are outstanding. The rest have been mediocre including the Atrix.
He tried to argue with me that the Photon from Sprint was an awesome phone... I'VE OWNED IT AND IT WAS TERRIBLE.
I look up to people like "The Woz" that although he co-founded Apple, owns a RAZR, and says he wants to buy a Surface. THAT man is NOT a Fanboy. Hes the real deal.
77. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
You must not know about HTC, because their two suppliers for screens have always been Samsung/Sony and AUO Optronics.
Anyways, LCD uses far less power than AMOLED, especially at high pixel densities. More likely than not though a 5 inch screen only needs 340 ppi.
3. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
5-inch, I'm not not interested, but good luck for HTC. :)
13. ajac09 (Posts: 1481; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
your not so why post? alot of other people are.
14. wendygarett (unregistered)
Mind as well buy a nexus... Cheaper and bigger screen...
15. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"your not so why post?"
Why not? Or I'm not free to express my opinion?
"alot of other people are."
And I don't deny that.
What is your problem?
39. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Don't judge too soon as it sounds like this device does not have physical menu buttons. The screen maybe 5 inch but if bezel is minimised the device maybe the same size as the one x
41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Agree it may, but something forces me to think taht it won't. Just a feeling. :D
6. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1524; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I doubt it will be 5 inches, 1080p would give a 440 of pixel density. That's way more than needed, as in nomral conditions you can't really see any pixel over 300 dpi.
I would assumer it's a 9 or 10 inches tablet.
7. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)
Overkilling specs are what attracts tech savvy customers.
11. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Well yes, but most tech savvy people would know that 1080p on a display that size would be way overkill, and wouldn't want to waste power on pushing pixels they can't even see for the most part.
17. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)
Just the curiousity of wanting to try out a full HD phone is reason enough for them to get one.
18. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3725; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
I disagree with that, Berzerk000. I consider myself very tech savvy & I understand everything about diminishing returns on ppi, but we're talking about egos here. If one of my friends picks this up, I don't want him to have any reason to say his phone is better than mine. I'm gonna want that 1080p screen, too even though I know it's superfluous. It's all about the bragging rights.
22. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Bragging rights are nice, but I usually try to keep away from them. I'll take any screen thats over 300 ppi, and if someone brags that they have a 1080p screen vs. mine, I can just explain to them that the human eye can't detect pixels over 300 ppi, so having that many more pixels just wastes your battery and puts extra strain on your GPU.
2 things might happen then, they either agree with me and stop bragging; or just they just keep bragging and I don't want anything to do with them anyways. I get some people aren't very tech savvy, but I think they can understand that some things are just useless and actually do more harm than good for a device.