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Is Apple's war against Google hurting iOS?

0. phoneArena 08 Aug 2012, 09:55 posted on

One of the first quotes from the biography of Steve Jobs to really catch fire was when he allegedly said that he would wage "thermonuclear war" on Google because of he perceived Android to be a copy of Apple's iOS...

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posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:44

43. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


True. Agree.....

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 16:50

97. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)


Jawohl!!! lol

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 17:01

98. tedkord (Posts: 12298; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Well yeah, democracy was possible in Germany. Any regime that rules through oppression will eventually fall. It's exactly what happened in the USSR. Their victory in WWII didn't stop their fall around the same time as East and West Germany reuniting as a democracy.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:23 4

11. MeoCao (unregistered)


iOS on a suicide mission!

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:28 1

13. kunyuk (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Whether Apple likes it or not, Google is a great software company, and it makes products that people use, even if they don't use Android.
Apple is very furious to google.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:31 3

15. rudlie (Posts: 205; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


not a competent writer, he complaint about youtube app gone at ios 6. he doesn't rad that google will make it a personal app like google map/goole+/gmail. what a crap article.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:34 13

17. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Not a competent reader. I said exactly that YouTube will be made available in the App Store, but that there are limitations to this option.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:47 2

20. rudlie (Posts: 205; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


so you also not a competent user. do you ever using youtube app on existing ios? some limitations of the application already there compared using youtube from web browser, so, who need ios' youtube application anymore?

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:53 8

22. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


^This is my point exactly.

Poor rudlie doesn't even know how nice a YouTube app could be because he has been limited to using the crappy YouTube app found on iOS.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:35 1

38. rudlie (Posts: 205; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


you don't got my point. he wrote a long article just to summary how apple will suffered without google apps on ios. he talk only on google side view. so, let's we talk the opposite view. does he count how google loose market and service if google does not provide apps on ios. google main profit comes from services and information. if google surrender on ios market, other competitor such microsoft and yahoo can force the market through ios.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 12:57 1

61. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


No he only cares about googles side

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 13:18 6

69. johnbftl (Posts: 281; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


If the argument it's competency, rudlie, you lose based on grammar alone. Holy hell my brain hurts from trying to decipher the nonsense you typed up. Way to go American public school systems! Michael your article was great. If Apple wants to survive, they need to loosen their stifling grip on the OS. Lynx why they are losing market share to Android at an alarming rate.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 13:24 1

73. johnbftl (Posts: 281; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


Meant to say it's why they're losing market share to Android at an alarming rate, not lynx. Curses to auto correct

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:46

129. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


and you insult this guy for expressing himself but you fail to proof read before you posted your comment...

cant believe you got thumbs up.

smh

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 19:14

109. lyndon420 (Posts: 4564; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I'm sure apple will make Google apps available to its customers because Google is the leader in search and YouTube is the leader in videos. Apple wants the best user experience right, so why would they make it impossible to access these premium services that people have been using all this time?

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:25 3

36. Savage (unregistered)


So you're saying iOS users do NOT need a youtube app for their iPhones and that the browser will do?

That may be due to issues you have with your app, but a lot of Youtube users will be pissed off.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:41 1

40. rudlie (Posts: 205; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


yes. we can access youtube using browser. apple just try to avoid licensing on youtube app. we don't afraid. google will bring back their missing app to ios. if they don't provide, they prepare to loose some market.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:55 4

48. Savage (unregistered)


Google losing market share because Apple doesn't wanna pay licensing fee for one app? Where did that come from?

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 12:37 4

56. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


rudlie...Before I start let me say that I am in no way trying to be rude.

I am guessing that English is your second language which is why I think you are missing the point...

Nobody is arguing over whether or not Google will create a YouTube app for iOS. We are almost certain that WILL happen.

The point is that due to current iOS limitations (which may not be there in iOS6) even if Google DOES create a YouTube app you will STILL be directed to the mobile site when you click on a link.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 20:45 2

118. rudlie (Posts: 205; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


you still view this thing on one point of view. this article seems to show apple will destructed by own nuke bom. I am an iOS, android, and blackberry user.

if you can answer my question, how many changes do you get since you first time using native youtube at iOS? A lot, few, or nothing? We can return the application to google and then google can maintain it. we will get the update of google's youtube app at iOS any time without waiting iOS update. every new features can put on the update, like, some how you can see google+ app on ios get first feature than android's. this is an advantage for user, not for the apple and google.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:53 1

130. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


dude i'm sorry you're getting thumbed down so much...

android users here are rude as hell man... it's like they are so bent on wanting to shove their views down people's throats that they aren't trying to understand what you mean.

i get what you're saying...

this article was written to show a negative effect on iOS for dropping google's services. yes, he mentioned that google will make stand alone apps but you're point his he didnt go into how beneficial it would be for apple users to have those stand alone apps instead of embedded apps that will never see an update.

you used great illustrations explaining it... and its very rude for people to judge you because they feel you don't know how to type english...

the population of this site is being overrun by tech bullies... if you're not pro-android then you are an idiot... smh

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 12:07

133. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)


I see the removal of the youtube app as a positive. Since its no longer a system app, it doesnt need to wait for an iOS update. Those that want to watch youtube can simply DL the app from the market, and it will be updated at Google's will... which is normally pretty often for their big apps... instead of being under Apple's controlling thumb.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 12:07 1

134. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)


its not "android users". Its people on both sides. Dont start painting wide uneven strokes with the "fan" brush.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:37 6

19. Odeira (Posts: 253; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Bottom Line:

Apple Does NOT want iDevice users to use a practically ubiquitous tool like Google services, (e.g.: Maps, YouTube, Gmail, etc; Because of too much pride and think that their solutions are for the "better.")

Consumers LOSE.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 10:56 1

24. JunitoNH (Posts: 1898; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


I will answer this Nope!!!!! Average Joe can careless what is happening with Apple vs. Samsung, in fact most don't have a clue of the court proceedings taking place. Main stream media don't care, so is a none issue.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:02 8

26. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


What is happening with Apple v Samsung has no bearing on this argument at all. The point is that the Average Joe uses Google products like Maps and YouTube on a very regular basis, so they know what to expect, but Apple won't be providing it.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:04 4

27. naga.appani (Posts: 36; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)


Great Article.. But, limiting Google could frustrate users from a rich experience at least for few years till they get rich Apps competitive enough with Google, It is not going to be easy at all... To speak facts, Apple actually spoiling the end user exeprience by doing this now, not sure how rich they make those apps, but impossible to be competitive enough with Google... Google has built them for a decade with a lot of hardwork and ideas invloved.. Nobody can take away that innovation from Google...
Apart from limitations, It is possible that Google could be winner after all as they come up with their own Apps, and use them for Google Ads business.. So, it earns Google money for sure... But, It is clear that future is all with Android...

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 11:42 3

41. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


It most certainly is hurting iOS. There are people who hear about this war against Android and hear about Apple's business practices towards Android (or just their business practices in general) and it turns people off to Apple products.

But in terms of removing Google apps, that's not really hurting iOS. Because the Google branded apps never got any updates, probably because they were made by Apple and Apple saw no reason to update them because they just linked to Google's services. They are the appendix of iOS, vestigial apps. No one will notice of they're gone, and even if they do, they won't care or there will be a version that Google made themselves and is in the App Store.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 12:53 4

60. tedkord (Posts: 12298; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


I can only offer some personal anecdotes, which don't prove anything. However, I was planning on buying my daughter an iPhone this fall to replace her Droid 2, and she was wanting an iPad for Christmas. But, since Apple tried to ban every HTC phone a month or two back, I have decided that I will buy no Apple product. Ever.

So, she is now rocking a superior RAZR Maxx, and will be getting an Android tablet for Christmas, not sure which model. Maybe a Nexus 7.And, she loves the Maxx, doesn't long for an iPhone at all, says the Maxx is better.

posted on 08 Aug 2012, 12:44 5

57. DePenguin (Posts: 22; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)


Here's my opinion. I used iOS ever since the ipod touch 2nd gen. I bought an iPhone 4 in August 2010 and in December 2011, I switched to Android with the Galaxy Nexus. The reason for my switch was because iOS was starting to feel stale and boring. With my Nexus and Android, I was able to customize my phone to my heart's desire and had the joy of using a more advanced OS. However, the android product as a whole disappointed me. The level of refinement was nearly not as much as iOS. I felt that the music app was lacking, the browser lagged a bit too much for my liking, the screen ended up with burn in issues and had a very odd tint to it, and speaker/call quality is sub par. Yes this is not Android's fault for most of my complaints, but I'm looking at the product as a whole. If I look in terms of just operating system, Android is great. It can be buggy, complicated, and frustrating at times but google did an amazing job with Ice Cream Sandwich. However, when I look at the whole package, I miss iOS and the iPhone. This does mean I will switch back to iOS though. I am sure that my next upgrade will be an android device and hopefully i will pick up a much better and more refined device.

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