Is Apple's war against Google hurting iOS?
0. phoneArena 08 Aug 2012, 09:55 posted on
One of the first quotes from the biography of Steve Jobs to really catch fire was when he allegedly said that he would wage "thermonuclear war" on Google because of he perceived Android to be a copy of Apple's iOS...
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58. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Another horribly biased article and not surprised at all
let's see Siri is not a direct attack on Google. Apple creating a voice assistant was a great move as can be seen by every other OEM following suit and coming out with one. Siri while not perfect works really well most of the time. It's much better than anything else on the market right now. Not using google for its searches is a genius move by Apple as it hits google where it hurts without impacting the user experience whatsoever.
As far as maps Apple had to come up with a navigation solution since google doesn't share it's navigation with other OS's (what happened to open source?).
THE LATEST REMOVAL
Only the most rabid android fanboy would care about this. YouTube works just fine on the web and google will still provide an app. Apple was paying licensing fees and the contract expired. Back when the OG iPhone came out YouTube was huge because no other phone had it. Now the majority of web video is HTML5 so it doesn't matter anymore.
THE DAMAGE DONE
Short answer is none. Google maps is still available as a web app and will be available in the app store so there's literally zero functionality lost. In addition now I have free built in navigation along with other cool features like 3d flyover view.
Your whole article screams fandroid. The average user won't even notice the difference and for those that enjoy google services they're still a free download away. Siri is the market leader in voice technology and will only pull further away while taking away page views from google. End result is Apple ecosystem gets stronger while google suffers.
Btw other companies like Facebook and Wikipedia are getting rid of google maps as well and using true open source mapping because of Google's anti competitive practices.
62. tedkord (Posts: 3919; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Siri is absolutely destroyed by Google Now, which is on the market. I have it on my SGS3, and use it to speak definitions of rude acts for my co-workers. Pretty soon, I'll just ignore it, as the whole idea is silly.
But in every test, Now is faster and more accurate than Siri, and sounds much more realistic. Which is because Google have been working on it for years, and didn't just buy an app, dumb it down, and throw it out as a buggy beta just so they could claim to be first.
70. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Keep telling yourself android is better while I along with millions of others enjoy my iPhone.
80. tedkord (Posts: 3919; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I'm glad you enjoy it. I want everyone to enjoy it. But the fact is, Google Now is more advanced, faster, more accurate and more realistic than Siri, for the reasons I enumerated. Apple bought Siri because they knew about project Majel, and were only worried about being first to market so they could again claim others were copying. And it shows. Google Now functions more like the Siri we see in commercials than Siri ever does, except the voice doesn't sound robotic. You can find any number of videos on YouTube illustrating this.
74. naga.appani (Posts: 36; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)
BTW, Google has just announced updates for voice based search engine app on iOS, and it ditto works like the one on JellyBean.. So, Google is not only destroying the SIRI outside the iOS, but also within iOS.... And, see how impartially are they innovating stuff??? Google means Respect....
63. Savage (Posts: 431; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)
Cool feature like Flyover? You called widgets and live wallpapers gimmicks and call Flyover cool? Oh yeah, I forgot, its Apple. Well.
65. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I don't claim iOS is a superior OS because it has flyover fandroids however use live wallpaper as some big differentiator.
82. tedkord (Posts: 3919; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Not huge. Just one of a thousand ways you have choices that you don't in iOS.
125. Savage (Posts: 431; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)
Oh please! I don't think any Fandroid says 'iOS sucks because it doesn't have LVP' There are more than one advantages of Android over iOS.
What you are wrong about is calling flyover cool but at the same time bashing widgets and LVP's.
64. good2great (Posts: 1035; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i believe PA's writers are being very cautious with the articles they post... it's tons of interesting android news out there that's worth having a discussion about but we haven't seen them at all...
you almost have to be conscious to your audience... most people here are teen android users or people that dont give a care about apple products/business...
recent articles about apple are "obvious news" and isn't anything worth bragging about if you're on apple's side... that means the general audience we continue comment until their sarcastic/hateful hearts are content. lol
i wonder if they editors get paid depending on how many article clicks they get? or how popular the buzz they create in the comment section? hmmm???
i have no problem coming here reading positive android news or lame apple news like "new 9 pin charger" or "5 row of icons"...
its the new world order here Taco... just accept that most people that visit here dont give a damn about your apple-ish opinions...
68. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
PA has always been full of android trolls. It's because this website is dominated by people who work in the cell industry. For years only AT&T had the iPhone and other companies were taught to combat the iPhone. A lot of the posters here drank the cool aid and starting hating with without any first hand knowledge and continue to troll to this day.
72. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
a few years ago this site was dominated by pro-apple posters that "worked in the industry". And before that it was probably dominated by "Pro-RIM" posters..
Its called "changing with the times". Nothing more.. nothing less.
83. tedkord (Posts: 3919; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Actually it's because tech types are most likely to read a blog like this, and tech types are more likely to choose Android. Apple fans are more likely to gravitate to Apple centric sites, where they hear sharing voices backing up their views.
95. ROYALLIST (banned) (Posts: 25; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
That's right. If you go to Engadget all the users and
and are dum in there, they Have no knowledge about anything, was reading all the posts, comparing it to phonearena people in here a very smart, unlike Engadget all of there users are middle aged and no nothing..... But they have a lot of users.
Gsmarena and phonearena are the same.
101. TylerGrunter (Posts: 782; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I don´t really agree: in gsmarena you can post without login in the news, and the posts there are HORRIBLE. Some fanboys (both for Android and Apple) post several times the same stupid comments...
The Blog, where you have to actually log in to comment can be really compared, but the comments in gsmarena news are.. ugh!
102. ROYALLIST (banned) (Posts: 25; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
I say there both the same. But Gsmarena is better atleast you can Troll or argue dispute feel free to say whatever with getting banned.
66. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
1) You start by saying "Siri is not a direct attack on Google", and finish that same paragraph by saying "it hits Google where it hurts".
2) Not sure why Android fanboys would care at all about the user experience on an iOS device...
3) You can't make the claim that there hasn't been damage done, because the major pieces of Apple's change - Maps and YouTube - haven't been released. I'm simply asking whether or not it's possible that users will be upset about these changes. I can't imagine how it's not at least possible.
4) Your whole reading of my article, as always, screams Apple fanboy. What you don't seem to understand is that I'm not attacking anyone here. I'm pointing out what Apple is doing, and how it will effect the user experience, and asking whether or not users will be upset by it. As stated above, you can't argue that Apple isn't attacking Google, you can't argue that it is impossible for people to be upset, and you can't argue that there's no possibility for users to be upset.
I won't be responding any more to you on this post Taco. Have a good day.
71. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
I dont really understand why you wasted your time. Heck, I dont understand why I waste my own time replying to him. The article wasnt an attack on anything, it mere stated the current state of each piece mentioned and asked some basic "what will/might happen if" questions.
It was fair and concise.
If it were the same article but with android as a focus, he would have the polar opposite opinion. We all know that.
105. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you people always say to ignore but when he types you are fighting to debate with him.. the reason he gets "limited is because of you fandroids.. just like you cant stay always from Apple articles when you guys claim you don't care.. Taco did had good points.. but you guys will never see it..
86. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Why you replied? He has not integrity when it comes to this sruff. Nor the facts to back up his statement.
110. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
by saying is not a direct attack on Google is not.. but that move also hurts Google right where a search engine can be hurt.. again.. not a direct attack..it didn't need to
on the removal he is right only the fandroids will hat e on Apple while we Apple users applaud that idea of removing the you tube app..
so please what points is Taco wrong here Michael... the only thing is that you are not a fanboy.. you call it right in the middle ( we had this talk before) but taco's point are valid..
111. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I never said that they weren't valid. The problem was that Taco's arguments were all from the perspective of bias. His arguments were in his misreading my article, because he is incorrectly convinced that I am biased, which I tried to point out. I knew that no one else would be as rational with Taco, so I wanted to be that voice rather than everyone else who will just call him an idiot.
67. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
you really are a sad sad troll..
when its a pro apple litigation article "oh its the end for evil samsung.. ooh blah blah blah". When its something that you dont perceive as pro apple "oh its a fandroid article bla bla blah"
Really, the person with the problem isnt the writer.. its you.
78. AppleWho (banned) (Posts: 57; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Michael strikes back....return of the Android Jedi...
Wow, Taco, you have a habit of looking foolish on P.A. and now you have Michael joining the fray....good luck with that.
84. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
I have a feeling that in a few years when whatever the next big thing is.. well... the next big thing, Taco will still be here chanting "apple" slogans, long after Apple passes into irrelevancy. I guess he will be the next "Peter".... but worse... way worse..
81. achangavi (Posts: 21; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)
do yourself and us a favor, and remove yourself from the internet right now.
75. Mr_Carter2 (Posts: 10; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
It would be a bad idea switching to Bing because they'll be in the same position in a couple of years when windows phone catches on. They should just switch to yahoo search. It's not popular but most users are familiar with it and it's already an option in iOS.
79. AppleWho (banned) (Posts: 57; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
The war will hurt APPLE if it carries on too long - high end android products have already proven that they are better than any iphone.
Apple will continue to sell to those who are blind to the real innovators.
87. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Great article Michael.
This is really funny how iOS fans are viewing this as a negative article, when there is not one derogatory remake about the OS or phone. He's not saying that the iPhone is a bad phone, or that the OS is bad or anything like that. All he's saying is that removing all of the features and apps that made the iPhone and iPad such great devices may "possibly" harm the user experience. And no matter how much you love your iDevice, you have to know that doing a bing search, or DuckDuckGo search, or not having direct access to YouTube when you click on a link is going to change the experienc. No one says "I'm going to post is video to Vimeo". How many times have you heard someone say, "I don't know what that is. Let's 'bing' it"! People say lets "Google" it!
The only way to tell what a Google-less iOS experience would be like is to see it when it comes out. No one here knows what it will be like, not even Michael. But what he did here is what writers do all the time...he prognosticated! He imagined using using iOS without some of its most popular features and paint a picture of what it would be like for us on the consumer end. It's what they refer to as JOURNALISM!
89. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
That is exactly my issue with fanboys. More often than not, they go looking for insults and find them in places where they don't actually exist.
106. gallitoking (Posts: 4630; Member since: 17 May 2011)
fandroids do the same Michael when a pro Apple article is written by you. or have you forgotten.. this people that gives you thumbs up.. will give thumbs down.. as soon as you write good things about Apple..
113. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Oh i remember. I've been looking for something positive to say about Apple, but it's been a bit of a lull for them, at least in the mobile space. 10.8 looks pretty nice. I'm looking forward to something good happening with the iPhone 5. I'm starting to worry about Tim Cook though. It looks like he needs to give more power to Jony Ive, because if the mockups we've seen are real, the iPhone 5 isn't going to be visually striking enough.
94. ROYALLIST (banned) (Posts: 25; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
Michael Heller is the best when it comes to writing articles.!
96. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
""I don't know what that is. Let's 'bing' it"! People say lets "Google" it! "
That reminded me... the other day I heard the most funny thing ever, I was doing some work and someone popped, we had a nice conversation for a while and all of a sudden he said he asked how he could remove bing because he does not like to "Google Things on bing, But likes to Google Things on Google" when he tried windows 8 LOL
90. ROYALLIST (banned) (Posts: 25; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
HAVE BEEN BANNED......
93. ROYALLIST (banned) (Posts: 25; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
THEY ARE ALL FANBOYS AND REGULAR PHONEARENA USERS....
122. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
not all of them were fan boys. But all were opinionated.
137. networkdood (Posts: 5517; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
To me a fanboy is one who does not change OS and I have changed OSes, but changing to iOS just does not appeal to me...yet.
136. networkdood (Posts: 5517; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I banned myself - by posting a droppbox referral link...my fault.
100. speckledapple (Posts: 877; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Great job on this article. Very well done.
104. kingstandup (Posts: 30; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Great job on this article Michael! You knocked it out of the park!
114. lyndon420 (Posts: 1641; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
You sound pissed that PA isn't exclusive to praising apple. This site is called 'Phone Arena'...not 'apple Phones'. You comment on probably every single article these guys put out...makes you one of the biggest trolls here taco.
115. lyndon420 (Posts: 1641; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
????? Damn. Taco gets banned before he can read my comment.
116. lyndon420 (Posts: 1641; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
I love knowing that Google doesn't rely on apple for anything to make a great Android experience.
119. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
refers to new article "Google adding voice-powered to iOS app". Is this sign of iOS user are hurting? Come on man, to be realistic. There are many advantages if google maintain apps by themself on iOS. don't make this thing is a very complicated problem. we, as the users just sit and enjoy the war and competitiveness. we are not civils in the middle of physic war, we are in the middle of business war.
Sorry Mr. Heller, at your article, you just react by recent news but you don't see the history.
135. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
You think I don't see history, but I'm not sure that you see the majority of users. You can't use the generic "we" because that's referring to readers here who are farther along the user curve than most. The problem is that most users don't care enough to dig into their devices like you guys do, and most don't really go into the app store of whatever device they have all that often. Many users only use the stock apps, and maybe a few games that someone tells them about.
So, having options in the app store isn't the same as having it built into the device, especially since all Apple apps get priority. We're not talking about Android where you can change the default app for anything from voice command to the browser to media players. This is an Apple device where anything from the App Store is at a big disadvantage.
120. paulyyd (Posts: 320; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)
in my opinion, the removal of the youtube app isn't a big deal and so is the removal of the maps app. Google said they'll release both apps so I'm sure if an iOS user really wants the app they can download it. Don't really think this is a big deal….
127. bloodline (Posts: 686; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
you all should shut up, remember apple knows what you want.
131. ftyler223 (Posts: 140; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Bobfreking55 true apple does do this, that's why have the best quality product but to assume that these companies are gonna start turning down apple's services is just the dumbest s**t I've ever heard. apple is the richest company on the planet. these companies profit off apple's business. these companiesare smart. they're making money off aple for this so the aren't gonna stop now. whether you like to admit it or not apple has a loyal group of followers who just like to have a phone that syncs easy with they're mac computer. they will always sell big so they will always get parts from these companies. that's just how it works. they truly are the smartest in the business
132. quryous (banned) (Posts: 106; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Apple, self-acknowled design thief, who has been stealing and bragging about it as far back as when they stole the Xerox Park ideas which Apple called its OWN User Interface, has completely alienated me.
I can't take that kind of hypocracy, and don't have to. I will not buy or recommend ANYthing from that company, and, recommendations is my JOB!
139. kam9902 (Posts: 3; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
Doesn't apple have yahoo as a alternative search engine why don't they just do that
140. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Yahoo search is powered by Bing, aka Microsoft.