Is Apple testing Siri for the Apple iPhone 4?
0. phoneArena 05 Nov 2011, 21:53 posted on
After an individual was able to port Siri on to the Apple iPhone 4, it appears that Apple is doing the same thing, and according to JailBreakNation, the dry runs have been successful proving that the previous version of the handset can handle the virtual personal assistant...
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1. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
I thought Siri was designed around the A5 chip? I expect if it comes to the iPhone 4 it'll have limited functionality.
13. taransky (Posts: 1; Member since: 05 Nov 2011)
siri is a software, not an hardware. being software, Steve Troughton-Smith was able to transfer the files of siri from iphone 4s to iphone 4.
40. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
If it was as simple as dragging and dropping files to make Siri work flawlessly on the iPhone 4, thousands upon thousands of people would have already done it. I suspect that major files and attributes had to be either edited, scaled back or removed entirely. Either in spite of this or because of this, Smith's port of Siri was not without it's problems. If Siri was released like that on the iPhone 4 there would be outrage about it and Apple's reputation of having polished end products would likely be dented as it was very laggy.
Getting it to function is one thing - getting it to function at Apple's obsessive compulsively perfect standards is another thing entirely. Some features may be missing in the version destined to the A4 because of that.
29. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Siri was already an app on the market availible for iphone4 users until Apple bought the company and made it an i4s only app.
If apple does bring it to the i4 (and there is obviously no reason they cant other than trying to convince people to buy the 4s) then its just one less reason to buy the i4s.
32. andro. (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
even with siri theres still no reason available to convince anoyone to upgrade to an iphone 4s!
33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yea only 4 million people in 1 weekend did
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and they only had to make it 230% more availible than the i4 was at launch to do that.
Instead of looking at 1 number to fit your fancy, look at the whole picture. The i4's launch numbers were fantastic as it was on just 1 US carrier and a hand full of other countries.
The i4s BARELY beat it on 3 carriers + the rest of the world.
Taken in the context, the i4s is a FAILURE compared to the i4 as it had much FEWER sales per carrier, per country.
50. andro. (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Indeed we sold our intial 30 Iphone 4s I got delivered in stock in my store. The second 15 phones in the order came in and we only sold 3 in the next 3 days,its always the usual mindless saps that salivate the money for apple at the start.
44. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
That's because it had the "shiny new product" smell about it. The differences are so little that the 4S is already a tough sell to people who don't care about the minimal performance increase the A5 gives you. It will be much more difficult if Siri is available in any capacity on the iPhone 4. At that point, you're paying more than double the price for an improved camera, something the iPhone 4 is already very good at.
49. andro. (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
just because 4 million people act like mindless zombies doesn't make it anymore reason for any one with sense to buy an iphone 4s.
Funny enough seeing as we have now only being selling the iphone 4s for a week in the shop I work in we now have 7 iphone 4s returned for 'doa' compaints. 2 with complaints of awful battery life,3 with poor reception and dropping calls (touchy subject as these people already were very angry over the iphone 4 behaving this way......some idiots never learn though) and the other two with faulty mic and freezing respectively. Considering we sold our 30 phones we got in the delivery its about a 25% faulty return rate so far
38. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
Apple made changes to Siri before baking it into the OS. The Siri on the App Store is not equal to the one you will see on the 4S. Early ports of Siri on the iPhone 4 tell this much as it is not a fluid experience. It's extremely laggy and unresponsive and the accuracy is way out of wack.
41. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they made changes that force it to have to run through apple servers instead of just being an app. Now apple has a record of every thing that you ask/tell siri to do.
Just wait.. you thought antennagate/tracking-gate was bad... lets see what apple does with all of this info you are voluntarily feeding it.
47. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
Just for the record remix I am not an iFanboy. I don't own an iPhone 4S... just speaking by logic (that may be flawed as I don't have a 4S) :P I just like tech so I try to speak as neutral as possible.
That was what I meant by baking it into the OS. The main difference between being 3rd party and being adopted by Apple means that everything now runs through Apple. The possibilities of what Apple can and probably will do somewhat scares me. Does that mean that anyone who jokingly asks Siri "find me the nearest whore house" or "where do i hide a dead body" will be questioned? :P
And I thought Google's "ads that pertain to you, your locations and interests" freaked me out...
57. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
dont ask siri why apple sucks then, the apple gestapo will be banging down your door.. lol.
53. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
Thought this comment looked familar lol. And granted its a cool feature its still gimmick to sell the 4s
2. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"I expect if it comes to the iPhone 4 it'll have limited functionality."
And why is that? If Troughton-Smith was able to port Siri to the iPhone 4, I highly doubt that Siri was limited to functions exclusive to the A5 chip.
4. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
More than one reason for that way of thinking, but the most important thing comes to mind - who in their right mind would buy a 4S if it's largest selling feature - Siri - was on the much cheaper and in real life usage just as fast iPhone 4. As anti-Apple as I am, I've yet to see an iPhone 4 lag in any capacity, so the A5 kind of seems like overkill.
Full-fat Siri on the iPhone 4 would be a rather stupid idea because then the only tangible upgrade the 4S has is a better camera.
The second most obvious reason is change the way it interacts with the server, so they don't explode when (and if) Siri gets on iPhone 4 and millions upon million of people start using it.
Also, if it wasn't designed around the A5, I don't think Smith would have needed a jailbroken 4S to complete the porting. Some files and functions probably needed to be modified or removed to make it work smoothly on the A4.
Probably should have specified :) I don't mean that it'll be crippled beyond usage - just not as baked into the OS as it is on the 4S. More like the app *was*.
12. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1111; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I have actually seen articles where they say they don't really quite know if there are hardware limitations to Siri. I don't know if it would necessarily be that much slower on the iphone 4 than the iphone 4S. While the iphone 4S does have a dual-core processor, it is only clocked at 800 mhz and I believe it has the same 512 MB of RAM as the iphone 4. So, while it is faster than the iphone 4, it in actuality isn't by much. So in my opinion, I would say that Siri is a marketing ploy by Apple to get people to buy the 4S because otherwise there is marginal differences.
14. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
From the articles I have read about Siri, Troughton-Smith's efforts (and Apple's test run) to port Siri to the iPhone 4, I suspect the role of the servers is probably two-fold: 1.) To catalog location and query data (aka ad revenue generators) and 2.) To determine that only authorized (iPhone 4S at present) devices are running Siri.
If you see Siri ported to the iPhone 4 by Apple, location and query data cataloging will be the driving motivation. In that circumstance, $ will be at stake, and Apple will adequately capacitize the necessary server resources. Remember, Siri is technically in beta release on the iPhone 4S....
9. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Keep in mind this port of siri was riddled with lag. Something the A5 prevents.
17. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
@clevername - Meh. Lag could be due to inadequate server capacitization. Ever notice delay in loading PA when a popular event is being covered? Since the Apple servers supporting Siri functionality have been down, there has been infinite lag.... Lol!
Siri is definitely NOT a true cloud computing resource.
23. darkkjedii (Posts: 19816; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
He's jus saying it may not function as well with that chip set,since it's less powerful... It's also single core.
3. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Hopefully this is true. I'd love to get Siri on my iPhone. It's so far ahead of google's offering.
5. phantomash (Posts: 20; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
if the direction you're talking about is backwards, then yea they are indeed far ahead.
7. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
He was referring to googles voice actions and interactions thereof. When it comes to voice interactivity, sorry to say but siri is more advanced. I know taco catches a lot of flak here buy for once this isn't an Android bashing iPhone blinded comment. Siri just happens to be better... For now.
42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
siri is more dynamic with the way that you can ask questions. that much is true.
15. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Apple is displacing google's web search business with Siri. This will hurt Google's cash cow.
18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"This will hurt Google's cash cow."
Highly doubtful. If Siri is trying to use a homegrown alternative to Google for web searches, rots of ruck to Apple. Maybe that is the reason for the Siri servers to be down?! If so, I don't expect Siri to have any adverse impact on Google's web search business.
31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you really think siri has its own search engine and algorithm in it?? lol. bet a dollar it connects to google or bing for its searches.
34. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It uses different data bases including being able to do a google search. However for a lot of the stuff it does bypass google. Furthermore the user doesn't even think about how it happens. Apple's app business is also hearting google because a lot of searchers are now done inside of an app.
43. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
aww.. Apple hearts Google.. thats so sweet taco.
Just because the app itself has a search function doesnt mean its actually searching. 99.999% of the time its just sending that search through google and bringing back the first answer it gets.
Again, there are very intense, long, and complicated algorithm that go into an internet search. There is a reason Google is the search giant, and not everyone else. most people cant get the algorithm right.
6. codymws (Posts: 237; Member since: 17 Jun 2010)
For now, you're absolutely right. But I doubt Google will just sit back and watch Siri's popularity grow...
I'm sure there'll be an official Android equivalent of Siri in the near future. ;)
8. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
I would be inclined to agree. But I wouldn't say near future. Google will improve it's voice, but an equivalent may not come till 5.0. The only reason I say this is because siri is super complex. It wasn't created by apple as a voice system or creates for mobile phones at all. It was created for DARPA as a foray into AI and other interests. Google will get there, and I could be wrong, but I doubt it'll be before 5.0
19. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
If Apple gets traction with Siri, expect a quick response from Google. Apple will need to show that Siri is ready for prime time before Google feels any competitive pressure.
20. Cwebb (Posts: 501; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
I imagine an app developer like the one that made "Iris" will make one that can compete wi th Siri before Googld does, because Google has great developer support
24. Scuba_Steve (Posts: 79; Member since: 16 Oct 2011)
There is iris for android. The app makers have a real sense of humor with the name haha.
As for google itself having something, I'm sure it won't take long. I hope the manufactures come out with some better stuff too. Voice system in the revolution sucks but I've never had or seen a problem with the thunderbolt.
Siri really does run smoothly but the fact that it uses data seems like a total rip.
27. jasongohjr (Posts: 75; Member since: 26 Sep 2011)
Siri helps us answer question via info from the web... Who knows if it uses google as its search engine behind xD HAHAHAHA
30. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I hope its true because that means there will be that many less i4 owners wanting the i4s, which means lower sales in Q1 2012.
10. cncrim (Posts: 796; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Did you hear Speaktoit Assistant it's vbon market 4 months before Siri, BTW, PA not mentionApple server shortage today Siri is down in whole country.
22. RobinLim (Posts: 5; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Here are two Siri v. Speaktoit head to head video comparisons. Siri is not as special as people think (used to be free to download on the App Store actually). Apple is really good in marketing something.
11. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Why would apple wipe an iPhone 4 with a "siri variant" of ios5 to prevent prying eyes from seeing it? It would just make it look like an iPhone 4s. No one would know the difference without a deep look into settings and knowledge of the model numbers.
16. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Siri has also been ported to the iPod Touch 4G.
21. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
Siri is a gimmick and really not a great utility I rather have googles gps service over siri. Plus siri doesn't work well on a local level. Also siri was already available as a third party software on the app store long before, Apple bought it and decided to make it free in order to provide something "fresh" to go along with the their inferior iphone 4s minor upgrades give me a break no one spoke about siri a year ago. Apple definately knows how to market well and gamed all their loyal ifans. Truth be told Siri is cool but definately nothing fresh and definately wont help the iphone step out of the Nexus shadow when it lands.
35. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You're out of touch if you think the Nexus casts a shadow over the iPhone. Iphone will outsell that phone probably 10 -1.
Siri is a great tool and a big advancement of current voice controls that are available.
45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
that has only been true because the nexus hasnt been available in any stores until now. Put the Nexus next to the iphone on every carrier and I bet money that the nexus outsells it.. oh wait.. we already have a bet similar to that, dont we. :)
See you for the Q1 2012 reports. I'll bake you a goodbye cake.. well. an e-cake.. lol.
52. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
Only a fool will side with the iphone as being the top smartphone. Iphone fans have this syndrome of "iphone is the best" its okay Apple is on the decline their creative genius is gone and the patent game is on everyones radar. Iphone will be the next blackberry everyone has one but its outdated!
51. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
A wise man told me not to argue with a fool because people from a distance can't tell who is who. So ummm...uh huh..ok.
25. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
""since it remains a reason for iPhone buyers to pay more for the newer iteration of the device. ...."" lol ..this is so lame..
26. DetroitTech (Posts: 55; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
Why is the article on the main page not the same as the one you link to?... I wanted to see what the iPhone 4 could "handle..."
28. rob5150 (Posts: 159; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
I use vlingo on my droid.it does everything for me hands-free . Try it. And make sure you read up on the settings etc.... To get all the things
hands-free ... I say "hey vlingo" she asks , what would you like to do? and I just talk
36. cheeseycheeser (Posts: 413; Member since: 24 Mar 2011)
This just kinda goes along with what other are talking about, and a little less the article. But remember how it leaked out that the real reason the ICS announcement got delayed was probably Apple making them remove stuff? Well, I think it's probably really likely Google did something more then what they announced with voice commands and Apple made them water it down.
37. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
So..I can get a main advantage of new 4S on old 4? it's not a good news for apple:)
48. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)
All of those android fanboys that make comments out here does not represent every android user.
I'm fed up with all these comments. A profile photo with android pissing on an apple is just rude. Yes, there are people who made you angry that said "Iphone is the best". taco50 is just someone who knows nothing about how good android is. But all those Fandroids in the forums. In almost every site were apple iproducts are judged. They're becoming more anoying then the iJerks. So "Fandroids" don't know either how good apple. Both they have their cons and pro's.
Pls stop making ridiculous comments
54. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
Post something intelligent and founded in truth rather than in a kneejerk response or to ilicit bad responses or don't post at all. I like Android but some people here make the lot of us look bad.
Yes we all know that the 4S has a 3.5" screen, that it looks the same as the 4, that Siri is not real AI, that iOS5 has Android-like notifications, that the A5 only has 800MHz... can we please move on from those cliche responses.
On the flip side... yes we know that Android phones have bad battery life (generally speaking), that a lot of them are stuck on Froyo or earlier, that many of them will never see ICS update, that Blur sucks, that the resale value on androids are bad... move on.
55. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
Ahhh and here is the evidence of your double standard. It is very annoying how people think their os is better than the next agreed, yet here you are complaining about android fans and your doing the same exact thing. And your posting a link from a blog (a blog you most likely created yourself), to back up your statment man you take this os fanism real personal. Here is the record for the last time on my end I like the iphone it does not suck but I prefer a top tier android devices its just my opionion :)
56. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)
Some comments are just rude.
And yes it are mostly fandroids. But like I said those fandroids don't ressemble all android users.
so, don't feel bad. You're not the problem.
Both ios and android have there cons and pro's.
Let's keep it that way.