Is Apple on the brink of "repeating the mistakes of the Mac era"?
0. phoneArena 28 Nov 2012, 16:36 posted on
We have made no bones about it, we're a little soured on the notion of analysts, because they tend to just tell us stuff that we already know. But, this time around, we're kind of interested, because this prediction, while something we've heard (and said ourselves), is very detailed as to why Apple may be heading for a repeat of "the mistakes of the Mac era"...
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17. Bernoulli (Posts: 2206; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Nah nokia will develop it first, once Elop gets fired of course :)
47. lyndon420 (Posts: 2567; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
He should have been shown the door long ago. Hopefully Nokia can finally start climbing back up the ladder they helped build long ago.
11. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Wow. I am seriously impressed by these quotes.
Upon reading it, they seemed totally spot on again and again.
Finally an analyst that has some deep understanding of the market.
14. Bernoulli (Posts: 2206; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Well that just sucks, but it's only natural for this to happen since Apple is so far behind in innovation compared to nokia and Samsung
16. jamrockjones (Posts: 345; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Agreed. It's their closed mind attitude that will cause them to fail.
31. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6979; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Too me in my opinion Apple only dominates in the MP3 digital music. If it weren't for their iPods they would of loose lots of money. Then they reinvent the phone with a software and first app store (just saying so not with apple i'm AGAINST IT). Then they redesign their same crappy phone after 4 models. Now their ipod touch came out and revolutionize in DIGITAL MUSIC with a touch screen after the iPhone. Now GOOGLE came out with their own SOFTWARE from DONUT to FROYO to Gingerbread. Android device is out manuver Apple's iPhone products as Android phones getting more powerful from dual core now to quad core. now next year 2013 FULL HD 1080P screens. that's just my opinion though. Oh yeah plus their MACS IS WAY OVER PRICE only rich people can afford macs
34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I dont think its predicting "doom for Apple" as much as predicting Apple's return to market irrelevance and sidelines. That's something I've been yackin about for what.. nearly 2 years if we didnt see big changes in the i5/i6. The lack of change plus the addition of a series of new flops and missteps have advanced life on the profit plateau to the start of its downward slide a lil more premature than even I thought. Had the maps fiasco and the negative feelings from the mass lawsuits not happened, we wouldnt be talking about this for another year.
Apple is a company of irrelevance and niche love (in its 30 something year history it has only had a literal handful of successful years compared to its Goog and Moto competitors) that got lucky with a 1-2 punch of the ipod and iphone and has ridden that wave well beyond any normal company. No matter what the wave eventually ends and unless your ready to catch the next wave, you get beached. Apple has yet to find the next wave and they are in the shallows on this one.
40. MC1123 (Posts: 1254; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
i really think they will collaps if they keep the same route... too expensive of what can it offer!
41. MartyK (Posts: 729; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Folks, now that I think about it, this is a sad thing for Android and Window.
How you ask?,
It was Apple arrogance that force Google (and it's Allies) and MS ( rewrite their OS) to work harder to bring in wonderful and powerful product to the market.
It will be Apple bad behavior who will end all stupid patents lawsuits (companies will realize it's not worth it).
Who's going to push these companies to get better and better?
48. lyndon420 (Posts: 2567; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
The consumer will push innovation. If we dream it up, someone will try to build it.
51. redmd (Posts: 1004; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Who's going to push these companies to get better and better?
the Android OEM themselves are in fierce competition giving us with the latest and the greatest out there. do you think they need Apple for this? I mean the HTC DNA was the first phone released with full HD screen. and rumour mill has it the other OEM will get their full HD flagship next year. they don't think of Apple in this year. they themselves are fighting for innovation.
Apple will eventually become a niche product unless they change.
62. Commentator (Posts: 2725; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Apple always has made niche products. Even when the iPhone was dominating the smartphone market from 2008-2010, the smartphone market itself was a niche market, in that only a small percentage of the world's population used smartphones. As the market expands, Apple may still maintain a large user base, but it will continue to shrink in comparison to mainstream Android competitors.
56. Commentator (Posts: 2725; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
I think you're mistaking "complete market overhaul" with "arrogance."
46. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Hell, anyone who understands history or nature understands how this plays out. In WWII, Germany held out pretty well against the Allies too, for a while at least. The mighty buffalo stands it's grounds against the pack of wolves, for a time. The stubborn Apple's fate against it's faster paced rivals was always precluded. It was always only a matter of time.
Luckily for Apple, they have they resources at their disposal to make the necessary changes to their course to prevent them from becoming again the niche product they were before. Not saying we'll see the demise of Apple, just their deflation after the bubble pops.
50. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
'Tim Cook has expressed interest in licensing deals instead of lawsuits, but with a new round of lawsuits starting up between Apple and Samsung, we certainly haven't seen any actions to support this interest in deals. '
Precisely.....Cook says one thing but does another.
54. redsox420 (Posts: 90; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
I want to add this: Earlier Michael H and others wrote and commented on an article about Bias.
My complaint is this. This story is 99% about Big Fruity. Why in the phuck is listed under Android?
This is the problem PA faces. I do not care about big fruity. I have used their 3g, 3gs, 4 iphoneys. One of the problems with ios is that the user experience is static. Big Fruity locks down the UI so that you have rounded boxes and folders. No widgets to speak of really.
PA is doing this chit all the time. Posting articles in the Android section even if they are 99% about big fruity. I am getting tired of PA censoring posts when their bias is pointed out or the mere fact that the article is in the wrong section. Clearly PA gets their crack at devices first to test them, etc. Thats ok, but if writing about Android, Windows, Big Fruity, put it in the right forum. I look at PA every day for new information about Android, yet about 20-50% are stories that don't belong under the Android tab.
If you don't like it PA then email me and we can talk. You do have severe Bias towards Big Fruity. Get off their tip. Their phones are for wannabes.
58. Aeires (unregistered)
Apple could have owned it all if Google hadn't released Android. Apple's yearly, incremental updates was set to reap them tremendous profits and market share, then Google gave everyone tons of options and innovations which made Apple's upgrades outdated. Now their market share is dropping and it appears they are going into panic mode to keep up. They already moved to a shorter than yearly release date and if you don't believe it, ask the iPad3 owners what they think of the iPad4. And now they've released a 7" tablet which Steve said they'd never do. Either they're desperate or their greed far surpasses anyone's expectations. Maybe both?
But all that's debatable. What isn't is Apple's arrogance has no end. Their pricing and we know what's best for you attitude will, IMO, be their downfall. I've never seen such a negative attitude towards them and it's mostly due to their attitude they take into the courtroom. This isn't Highlander, there can be more than one. Let us consumers decide what we can buy, not the lawyers.
61. amiaq (Posts: 503; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
I thank Apple for its "IDEA", however other companies are PERFECTING or IMPROVING that idea.
No way I want to be stucked with an old idea, no matter how good it is.
64. akaKJB (Posts: 2; Member since: 28 Nov 2012)
" Apple started the smartphone revolution with the iPhone in 2007"
Could we PLEASE stop giving Apple credit for creating smartphones? The Kyocera QCP-6035 came out in 2000 and its replacement, the 7135, hit the public in 2002, both running the PALM OS. I owned both and the only reason I EVER replaced my 7135 is because AT&T (then still Bell, I think) banned its use on their networks because is supposedly wasn't compatible with the E-911 service (which was a lie). I even became one of the early PagePlus dealers just so I could still use my 7135. In my opinion, there has never been a better designed phone than the 7135. Nice size color screen, clamshell design, first phone I ever owned (and possibly the first phone on the market) with a memory card slot for storing music, video, etc. Since it was pretty much using Palm's OS right off the shelf, you could load just about any application written for the Palm PDA's on it. THAT, my friends, was the start of the "smartphone revolution". It would be 5 years before Apple joined the game. Innovations? Yes. Spurred more competition among smartphone developers that created better phones for everyone, regardless of OS? Definitely.
I have no problem givng credit where it's due but claiming that Apple essentially created the smartphone is like Al Gore claiming to invent the internet.
70. xfire99 (Posts: 598; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
Apple wasnt first to release smartphone, but they indeed created a new era when iPhone 1 came out and did started the smartphone revolution.
But not until iPhone 3/GS released and the boom come for smartphones.
Even how I dislike Apple, but I give them the credit for smartphones era and that was what happened.
Others smartphones before iPhone 1, wasnt full touch screen covers and was with qwerty keyboard. After iPhone 1, then others follows it design and start to release only touch models.
So we can say, Apple did started the only touch smartphones revolution and even they didnt. Sooner or later, others will, but Apples was first and deserved the credits.
75. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Apple made smartphones cool and desirable. Apple's problem is that incremental updates year after year have made the (smart) consumer bored and looking for something different - hello, SAMSUNG!!
76. Valdomero (Posts: 127; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)
It's more like "slow incremental updates to gain major profit of almost the same product".
Seriously, I have a Ipad 2 (as a gift), when I compared it to an Ipad 4, It looks slightly different (better screen resolution indeed, but the rest is the same to me).
I mean, the Ipad 2 is almost the same as the Ipad 4 (just a few updates of 2 generations apart of the same brand product), When comparing the GS1 against the GS3 (2 generations apart right?), the differences are enormous.
please correct me if I'm wrong. peace
78. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 869; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
I disagree with some of the points on there. I was an iphone user for a time and still use it to play some games that I had bought and their cloud based system is insanely good. It backed up all my games, photos and saved states automatically. Something i get annoyed with when playing games in my multiple android devices.
But the lawsuits, bad press, and unwillingness to change are killing them. Its things like that why I will never buy another Apple product again.
83. Ravail (Posts: 182; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)
Considering they don't invent anything.. yeah. All Apple is good at is brainwash by deceptive marketing.
85. jstoned (Posts: 36; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)
Apples phone market is going to die in the same exact fasion as blackberry!!!!!! Blackberry for almost 15years owned the smartphone era. But reptition, building the same eaxct thing but slighlty different time time over, and inferior products is what now pushes RIM to the brink of bankruptsy. Apple is doing the same exact behind the curve repition as blackberry. I hope they crash!!!!!!! and when they crash I hope they burn Mua Haahahahahahah F*#k APPLE.
88. ngph2 (Posts: 8; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Please publish this in English. I am not French.