Intel says Android not ready for multiple-core processors
0. phoneArena 10 Jun 2012, 18:05 posted on
According to Intel, tests that the chip producer has run show that not only is Android not taking advantage of having a multiple core processor, it could actually be a detriment to the performance of Google's open-source OS...
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64. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
That's the downside of android to me
69. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
I have an iphone and optimus 3D too. I still happy with both of them. I agree with u, optimus 3D has a good performance, better than samsung gs2.
74. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
it is even better than the Note, which really surprised me
59. jroc74 (Posts: 4850; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
So says an iPhone fan that probably upgrades to every new version of the iPhone..that has such a great user experience...one really wouldnt need to upgrade, right?
We ALL are sheep when it comes to specs for the most part.
65. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
For me it costs nothing to upgrade because I sell my iPhone for more than I bought it. The $200 I spent on the 3GS is all I've spent to go to the 4 and 4S. I sold the 3GS and the 4 for $260 each.
109. hepresearch (unregistered)
Wow... is this the same "half baked OS" that you always claim is the purest of copies of none other than iOS itself? If it is such a perfect copy of iOS, then why is it "still laggy"? Perhaps you actually believe that if Apple touches something, then it is automatically so much better than the rest of the world's offerings, and that other's offerings are so terrible because they are such exact copies of iOS that simply did not receive Apple's blessed touch... in psychology, they call that "magical thinking". So, in conclusion, I would say that one of three conditions exist: either 1) you enjoy saying things that are so obviously dumb, yet inflamatory, just because you think it is fun and that you can get away with it, or 2) you actually believe what you are saying, and believe that Apple is "magical", or 3) you are afflicted with both of the above conditions as both 1) and 2) are true to reality. In the case of the first, you are most definitely a troll. In the case of the second, you are most definitely a hipocrite. In the case of the third, you are most definitely both a troll and a hipocrite, and therefore at least bordering on sociopathy. You can change yourself any time you would like to by accepting some actual rules of reality... either you can believe that Android is a code-for-code copy of iOS and performs similarly in many ways, or you can believe that Android is a piece of garbage and not at all a copy of your beloved iOS... to believe that Android is garbage AND still such a copy of iOS IS TO SAY that iOS is also a piece of garbage. You cannot say that A = B and that B = C without the requirement that A = C also, so either Android and iOS are both garbage and Apple can sue Google for copying their garbage, or iOS is supremely wonderful and Android is something else totally different. If you argue with this, then you are not willing to admit the obvious... that A = C when A = B and B = C. For your own sake, save yourself the trouble... don't argue with fundamental math.
110. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You can copy something and still make a crap product ie android
111. hepresearch (unregistered)
No, not really. You cannot make a real functional copy of something so 'fantastic' and have it turn out to be such an epic dud, and still let it qualify as a functional copy of the 'fantastic' original. Apparently, your definition of a "copy" is not the one I read in any dictionaries, and thus we are actually having a problem of semantics, and not really an honest debate on anything.
Once again, I must reiterate that you cannot say that A = C is false if you have already said that A = B and B = C are true. Think it over real hard...
112. remixfa (Posts: 13913; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
a "crap product" that sells 900k units a day. AKA, android sells more in a month than iOS does in 3-6.
Arent you one of those "it must be good because its the highest selling phone" people? oh yes you are.
so by the same token "it must be good because its the highest selling OS by a wide margin" must also apply.
Hep buried you.. u just havent noticed yet because your eyes are so tightly closed to reality.
115. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I don't know if you're aware, but activations aren't sales.
Also selling in volume when you're giving away the product for free is easier.
118. hepresearch (unregistered)
This does not even matter. Apparently, remix is distracting you away from my pointing out your obvious failure to compile a reasonable idea because he wants to pound Android into your brain a little more... but this argument is totally unecessary when you realize that your foundation does not actually exist. I just hit you with some real logic, and you are IGNORING it. You are the very image of a hipocritical sociopathic troll... you are ignoring even this most simple point of logic in order to kick up a fuss and fight.
120. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually you have no point. Having a copy at product doesn't mean it's the same quality. In fact the copy is almost always worse.
122. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5479; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
You say that Android fans shouldn't read or comment in articles about Apple products, then what are you doing here in article about Android ?
124. hepresearch (unregistered)
Clearly, taco currently enjoys being a double-standard-wielding hipocritical troll.
123. hepresearch (unregistered)
Okay, so apparently you are describing a "counterfeit", not a copy. You can claim that Android is a counterfeit of iOS, but we all know that counterfeits are, in fact, worthless. They are also illegal, in the criminal sense. Criminal illegality is not punished by going to civil court to sue the living snot out of people or companies... it is litigated in the state criminal system(s) that apply. So, if Android is a "counterfeit", then Apple should not be suing anybody... instead, they should be going to criminal court, and ask the DOJ to charge these companies with the charge of conspiracy to counterfeit patented products... and then press the ITC for leverage to dissolve Google Inc, Motorola Mobility (now wholly-owned subsidiary of Google as well), Samsung Electronics, HTC, and Sony Electronics in order to prevent them from doing business in the future as convicted counterfeit operators, and all of their management and department heads should be fined and jailed under DOJ regulation and/or INTERPOL standards. Either you call for the whole freakin' tomale... or you admit that you think Android is such a poor product that it cannot truly compete on its own. This civil suit crap has no reason to occur unless it is all just about subterfuge and jealousy over money.
If Android is a copy, then you are calling iOS just as much a piece of garbage as you claim Android to be. If you are claiming that Android is a "counterfeit", then you need to complain to Apple in writing, and ask them to press criminal corporate conspiracy and pirating charges against Google, Samsung, HTC, Huawei, ZTE, Motorola, AND Sony with both the DOJ and INTERPOL if you intend to be honest and follow through with your claims. If you claim that Android IS a copy of iOS, and that it still sucks, then see comment #'s 109, 111, 116, and 118, and pleeeease stop throwing a temper-tantrum like an insecure little school-girl...
128. hepresearch (unregistered)
Haha you can't even use 'logic' in a proper sentence that actually makes sense sorry
If you claim A = B and B = C are true, then you cannot claim that A = C is false. This is a FACT of logic, and you can ask anyone who has been through algebra, or even debate clubs, about that. I have presented particle physics research on eight ocassions, lectured publicly on the same subject on seven ocassions, started a collaborative physics outreach project once, had a paper published on that topic once, and been cited in someone else's paper once... I didn't go through all of that to NOT understand basic logic. Your basic argument stems from claiming that A = B (Android *B* is *=* a 'copy' of iOS *A*), that B = C (Android *B* is *=* a 'laggy' piece of garbage *C*), and that A is not equal to C (iOS *A* is NOT a 'laggy' piece of garbage *C*)... where 'copy' is defined as "exactly the same in function and/or appearance as the original article", hence justifying Apple's lawsuits against Samsung and others... however this argument is entirely bogus because it is entirely unallowed by foundational math logic which dictates that if A = B and B = C, then A = C must be true.
Either you change your language, and accuse Android of being a "counterfeit" of iOS (does not violate this logic, but requires you to believe that Android is illegal, and thus its producers and distributors punishable in the criminal justice system and not in the civil suit arena), or you deny one of the most fundamental principles of all logic. You get to choose here and now. Enjoy!
130. remixfa (Posts: 13913; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
he is going to chose his 3rd choice.
"ignore you and the rest of the world and continue to troll with his eyes closed"
131. hepresearch (unregistered)
Yes, but I had him so good... to the point that mentioning anything pro-Android was a moot point, if not slightly counter-productive. He knows it, I know it, and so does anyone here with less than half of their brain tied behind their back, and who isn't also illiterate at the same time.
My conversation with him in this thread is officially completed, and my work here is done. I can return to my homeworld now... on the planet Zarkon... farewell, earthlings!
btw... +1. If taco comes back, he's all yours!
136. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
I like your A = B, B = C, then A = C. If he doesn't understand that... Then most likely he doesn't even have a GED.
139. remixfa (Posts: 13913; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
then someone should tell apple to stop copying android. iOS5 was a bad copy.. but iOS6 takes copying android to a whole new level.
look.. apple just released their new logo.. its a green android holding a rainbow colored apple.. how weird.
140. hepresearch (unregistered)
No, no, no... 'copy' is the wrong word here. To imply that something is a 'copy' of something that works decently well, and yet is somehow far substandard, is a logical fallacy. The proper term is 'counterfeit'. Just as I told taco, if you think that iOS 6 is a 'counterfeit' of Android, then write to Google and show them, and let them go after Apple in CRIMINAL court... not go civil suit crazy. This cannot work one way in one direction, and not the same way in the other direction... that would be a lack of reflexivity, which is an important rule of logic in cases like these. If you start playing these stupid "you can't say that about mine, but I CAN say that about yours" games, then you will be inviting your opponent (in this case, taco) to call you out and otherwise continue to behave badly here. I'm tired of pointless illogical flame wars from BOTH sides...
116. hepresearch (unregistered)
Well, you're right in a way, remix, but I don't think we even need to go there. I was saying everything that needed to be said without even bringing up pro-Android arguments... taco's entire foundation of his own argument evaporates into nothing... simply an illusion, and a poor one even at that... when faced by nothing more than first principles. I don't even have to argue FOR Android.
129. remixfa (Posts: 13913; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
oh i know i didnt have to. but i wanted to. just to stir up the lil trolls pot. figured it would be fun since he has already started in on his supertroll day.
132. hepresearch (unregistered)
Supertroll day? I didn't know he had one of those... haha!
121. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5479; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
You say that Android fans shouldn't read or comment in articles about Apple products, then what are you doing here in article about Android ?
125. hepresearch (unregistered)
He will claim that we told him not to comment in Android articles first, and then commented in his beloved iPhone-love posts... taco is only doing what every troll ever to come before him ever did... claim that everyone else is just as bad as him, and call all of us trolls, so that he feels more secure in his own rediculousness when we try to let him know that we really are not the trolls... because in his mind, if everyone is a troll, then no one is really a troll at all, not even him. Understand now? I just gave the real answer that he will never admit to because he can't bring himself to admit it without enduring the truth that hurts him so bad inside.
24. tedkord (Posts: 4831; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
So, first he says Android isn't ready for multi-core CPUs, then he says its been ready since Gingerbread (which was the first version advertised as dual core)?
He needs to worry about getting Intel's phone processors to stop draining a phone dry in a couple of hours.
Android source code is available for everyone, and developers would know if there was no threading.
61. jroc74 (Posts: 4850; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And Anandtech says its been ready since 2.2...lol.
I dont think any version was ever advertized as dual core ready.
26. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)
Ahmm, i don't know if i will believe this guy or not.. I have SGS 1 and the new SGS III, and i can see the vast difference on speed and smoothness.. Opening apps, downloading apps & other files, web browsing, multitasking.. My SGS III is probably 3 -4x faster than my old international SGS1, on benchmark & real life performance..
52. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
i think what he meant was tt having a multi core phone could be bad for ur device bcos Android isn't ready for it yet (?) i mean sure it would be faster in these kind of things but i guess he was trying to talk about the side effects :/
27. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6517; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Intel wasn't the only one who says we don't need QUAD CORE. Even SONY themselves says we don't need quad core at this time. And Belive Me SONY knows THEIR CHIPS. i really don't need quad core on my Android phone as long it does the job right. and as long it's not a iPhone either.
53. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
i agree. there is nth to fully utilize the Quad Core chips and only recently are dual core chips starting to be fully utilized. but some ppl just want the bragging rights
78. Dark4o90 (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)
isn't that true about PC processors too? At first when the dual core appeared like core duo, athlon 64 the software wasn't ready for them, but now it is. Sooo what's the deal? It's normal. And if they want to say that the quad core 4412 is not faster than the single core :D :D :D and the interface and everything isn't as fast as it was :D I guess they're just joking. Trolling Intel.
29. JonBjSig (Posts: 176; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
"According to testing conducted by Intel, not only is Android not ready for multiple-core processors, having more than one core could actually be harming Android performance."
"Inet says that it wasn't until April 2011 when Android 2.3.4 became available that the OS was really ready to embrace dual-core processors."
So, Android isn't ready for multi core processors except for phones with at least version 2.3.4 which has been out for almost 2 years.
Yeah, not ready my ass, it's been ready for a long f**king while.
39. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
google doesn't have any experiences in OS architecture and development. google build android but they unable to optimized it into good performance and utilized OS. so, I think what intel said is valid.
41. sprockkets (Posts: 1206; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Yeah, that's why they have something called the Linux kernel do all that.
And btw, they have plenty of people who work on that kernel with them.
51. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
yea, I know android using linux/unix kernel but still not yet optimized. Linux has great multitasking and great control of it. android has multitasking but you can not control the multitasking. so that is one of prooved android not yet optimized.
What I agree to what intel said is when you have singlecore processor as example 800mhz, u get x result in the benchmark. but when you have dual core 800mhz, the result of the benchmark usually below of 2x. I think not even get better than 1.6x.
54. sprockkets (Posts: 1206; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Well that's because that's called life - nothing ever will scale up 2x on any dual core processor from a single core.
60. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
it's called a dumb. even microsoft windows can doing better for multicore optimizing.
73. sprockkets (Posts: 1206; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
My comment was based on years of windows performance when AMD and Intel released dual cores almost 10 years ago.
114. haseebzahid (Posts: 1829; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
well actually its not actually true it is true that extra cores are not always helpfull unless utilized correctly i had a experiment of threading and learned that it is mostly dependent on what code is written behind it and on which platform , since if i wirte asembly code it will be of highest performance not to mension the complexity.
43. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)
I don't care what Intel says. I've been waiting so long to have a phone that packs with powerful technology with the flexibility of Android and iOS-like fluidity. Guess what, my Galaxy S III does have it all.
117. haseebzahid (Posts: 1829; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
hahaha nooob dont care about the battery life rather high specs that probably dont give more than 5% - 15%advantage over single core and 70% reduced battery life .... that makes me laugh so much .. errrr carry on ignore me laughing at you
46. spoks (Posts: 44; Member since: 01 Jun 2012)
I dont care if its valid or not... I will never be an isheep...hahaha.
55. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
and how does being an apple fanboy or not relate to this post? O.o no link dude
63. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
and I never be a sGoat because iSheep will be in heaven and sGoat go to hell hahahaaa
47. AndroidShiz (Posts: 145; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)
Hmmmm. I wonder if they'd say that if they were the number one producers of mobile processors?
58. pyradark (Posts: 772; Member since: 10 Jun 2012)
Now i see why Sony, didnt make Quadcore phones, they want to feel the dual core era.. i
68. Commentator (Posts: 2429; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Now if only they'd use something other than the laggy old Qualcomm S3...
80. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
lol - yet they did a pretty good job with S3. HTC actually abused it. After using Xperia S that's what I felt. Xperia S runs heavier specs pretty well compared to Sensation. Sense is one of the culprits. Sony's UI is the least crappy manufacturer UI. It's very light and fluid with some cool widgets.
My Xperia Arc (512 MB ram, Single core) ran like a champ with 150-200 MB free memory. And my One X with 1 gig ram usually shows 220-250 MB ram (after rooting and dumping all garbages). First thing on my to-do list is to spend some time to dump sense and find a good alternative.
76. satydesh (Posts: 71; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
windows phone is really faster and smooth than android with dual core really try once!!!
79. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)
I know it, the same can be said to iOS.. They are smoother & more fluid than Android OS in general.
But both OS have limited capabilities & functionalities. But like i said before, Android phones are not created equal. Let say SGS III is smoother and faster and more lag-free than HTC One X (probably with slightly faster CPU & GPU & great software optimization), but on the other side, HTC One X has more mature, more cuztomizable & eye catchy UI compared to SGS III. If you are Android user for a long time, you will notice the vast difference between a dual core CPU & Quad Core cpu phone..
119. haseebzahid (Posts: 1829; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
well if some one is desprate to get 5% more speed over 20-50% reduced battery life where is the advantage left then since its like charing after every 8- 15 hrs if heavily used
87. jove39 (Posts: 1286; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Not ready for multi-core? May be not optimized for multi-core...performance advantage for multi-threaded apps are very much visible to anyone.
88. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1088; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
wow What a revelation People put down Microsoft windows phone 7 exec's and tech statements about not needing dual core CPU's to run a good smartphone OS and now it turns out some Android smart phone OS was not up to stuff to use dual cores so it not the Hardware that makes a smart phone great it is the software score one for Microsoft.
93. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Company always say s**t for their own advantage
Only elop of Nokia dared to write burning platform memo that hurt the company .
Btw why is the sensation XL just as snappy as a sensation xe ?
95. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
I've been messing around with the cores and clocking on my One X. Trust me, Android is definitely ready for multi-cores. I think someone is feeling bitter on getting into the game late.
96. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
That's why you should buy a Nokia Intel powered Windows Phone 8.