"Inside" the fingerprint sensor of the new iPhone 5S
0. phoneArena 10 Sep 2013, 13:50 posted on
The new Apple iPhone 5S is here, and with it - a fingerprint sensor! But what does it do, and do we really need this stuff? Well, we can't answer completely just yet, but from what we saw during Apple's presentation, it looks like this new iPhone feature will prove to be quite handy in our everyday usage...
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1. Sauce (unregistered)
9. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
They just need to add 3rd party access to this feature and its a home-run. Secure and quick login into your banking apps, amazon, etc. would be really cool.
11. Sauce (unregistered)
Yes that would be great! I used to have a big feeling that something like that would happen, but after they announced that all the fingerprint data will remain only on the processor and no where else (iCloud, servers, etc etc) I'm not sure what to think.
18. zennacko (Posts: 236; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
For me it\'s good news enough... especially in case you lose or someone steals the phone... since it\'s locked on processor, not even re-formatting the phone would be enough for the thieves.
Would be good if some data were on some server, too, but this seems good as it is for now, at least there won\'t be any kiddies blowing their parents\' wallet playing candy crush anymore (unless it\'s not meant to be used as in-app purchase security too...)
39. GoJin (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Feb 2013)
.until McGyver gets a hold of some gelly thingy, copies the finger print of the owner on that gel. Then place the gel on top of the sensor...presto!
one heck of an \"innovation\", hehe.
oh, Apple realized this work-around so they \"innovated\" some more by adding voice recognition to increase security that goes with the finger print sensor...but alas!
Jason Bourne comes, does his thing, going, \"Noah Vossen\" click!
but I love having this on my gadgets though.
2. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Seeing how often the current iphone home button goes fault,especially just after the 12 month warranty is up I've a feeling this finger print scanner is gonna cause some major headaches when it stops working for mobile network sales staff!!
3. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)
So what happens if you jAiLbreak your phone and swap out the Home button, how would you unlock/authorize it??
5. Sauce (unregistered)
What do you mean Jailbreak the phone and swap out the Home Button? Do you mean customize the Home Button with third party home buttons?
6. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Click your iHeels three times, that should take you home.
4. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Normally I'd say they are a gimmick but having them also act as a password to eliminate steps isn't a bad idea. Wonder if all those articles about kids charging hundreds/thousands of dollars in iTunes on their parents phones had anything to do with this?
26. SellPhones82 (Posts: 561; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
If you add your kids print as an "approved" one so they can unlock it, won't they then be able to purchase stuff the same way? Will there be different levels of access for a given print like unlock only and/or purchasing on/off? I ending up having to remove my CC all together from my son's iPad since they were order things all the time! Now I just load gift cards and when he burns through them he's done til I load more.
34. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Good question. Google recently adapted multi-users for Android, not sure if Apple is thinking that way also.
7. timtimity (Posts: 196; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)
Interesting idea, but what happens if it breaks. Wonder if you'll have to put a passcode in when you add your fingerprint for the first time as a backup.
47. dvada191 (Posts: 8; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)
I think if you don't set a passcode, then you can just swipe to unlock as usual.
8. GrapeEyes (Posts: 248; Member since: 01 Sep 2013)
NSA are rubbing their hands together, now they can plant your finger prints at a crime scene.
46. dvada191 (Posts: 8; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)
Yeah, but they've been able to do that for a while. Do you seriously think that the NSA will now "just" be able to get your fingerprint? Bah.
13. nhojekim3310 (Posts: 2; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)
First of all, having a fingerprint scanner is very risky. My wife is an IT auditor and told me back then about having fingerprint scanner on laptops were and still are very risky. Now they are putting it on a mobile device…What happens when you lose your phone, where your fingerprint is stored...
15. Ninetysix (Posts: 1669; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Yeah! what happens when you touch ANYTHING where your fingerprint is stored. Does you and your wife wear gloves 24/7 btw? Just curious.
28. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Your fingerprints are stored on the phone itself. If you lose your phone, no one will be able to unlock it without your Apple ID. Also you can remote wipe the data from your iPhone. This doesn\'t seem any more risky/dangerous than it already is now.
14. PK1983 (Posts: 187; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
The NSA probably paid Apple a few hundred million of our tax dollars to include this feature.
45. dvada191 (Posts: 8; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)
Why would they? That's a waste of money, considering the fingerprints are stored on the A7 chip itself.
17. fervid (Posts: 173; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Gotta run your stuff through spelling and grammar check Ray. And, in the last paragraph it is past, not passed.
19. chrisjoel21190 (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Dec 2012)
People! Don\'t be surprised if you see people with missing fingers all of a sudden, we not only have to worry about getting our phones stolen but thieves tryna chop off our fingers. THANKS A LOT APPLE! :/
20. Ninetysix (Posts: 1669; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
You're welcome. What kind of anti-thief measurements do you have setup on your smartphone currently? Let's see if your implementation is any better.
21. chrisjoel21190 (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Dec 2012)
Yeah dude, I\'d rather just have my phone stolen and keep all my fingers, but that\'s just me.
32. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
well they said that the phone would not register dead fingers...so there you go!
22. valapsp (Posts: 483; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
anyone mentioned the loss of the square in the center of the home button? it's ugly now!
23. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6694; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
NSA taking data from your fingerprints
24. paulyyd (Posts: 327; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)
I\'m just curious about when you put a case on your phone. Usually iphone cases cover everything up like my does now. Interesting how water proof cases and other manufactures are going to deal with this
25. dragonscourgex (Posts: 307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
I would disagree with you Ray. It is true that other company have already came out with fingerprint scanner in their devices. The two uses you stated were, unlocking and and purchasing over iTunes. Which, let say the Motorola Atrix was only able to use the fingerprint scanner to unlock. Which make sense, since Motorola did not control the Play Store, so it would be kinda hard for them to provide the ability to use biometric data to verify payments. So, only thing that Apple has done different is added the ability for the iTune payment. So, is it truly "innovative", I would have to say no. I would call it more of a logical use for the tech. From what I have read, the fingerprint tech that was in the Atrix was from the same company that Apple bought. So, we have no idea what other OEM would have jump onto f.p. scanner. Or, what could uses they would have come up with. If the company would have stayed an independent company and able to offer their products to all OEM.
All the other company that have messed around with f.p. scanner had the same problem where the scanner would degrade over time, making it almost useless and unreliable. So, what have Apple done to help prevent running into the same problem.
We used to use fingerprint scanner to clock in at work, but we gave up on them cause they turn out to be more of a pain if anything. Any little smudge on the scanner would cause it to fail. If you had a cut on your finger it would not scan. If your finger was dirty, work in a fab shop...so dirty finger is part of the job, it would fail.. I think Apple would have to make sure to address these issues to make sure it did not become annoying to use.
I think it's too early and undeserving to start throwing the "innovative" label on this just yet my friend.
27. dirtydirty00 (Posts: 261; Member since: 21 Jan 2011)
seems like a great idea until u drop ur phone and the scanner breaks. good luck downloading apps
33. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
oh and you drop other phones and nothing breaks...lol! criticize with some brains dude
40. THE.DARK.KNIGHT (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)
That's why it's made of sapphire glass! Almost impossible to break or scratch and is very expensive!
29. gufort (Posts: 2; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)
Now Apple crossed all acceptable privacy lines. After the useless Siri that just helps to send your voice data to their servers, now they want to upload your fingerprints as well. Adding you geolocation, voice data, fingerprints, credit card from Apple store, internet profile makes it really, really, really, but really much more than what is acceptable from a privacy perspective.
For me, this feature is a deal breaker for not getting this device. I can avoid using Siri, but not touching the device?? Typical case where more is less. I would get it if I didn\'t have this additional concern.
What is next? Iris scan? And people will like it?? What the hell, does anyone still think?
30. Ninetysix (Posts: 1669; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Why would the goverment ask for your fingerprint when they already have it? I bet you'll have a different tone in your post when the next Android manufactuerer adds this to their phone.
Also, do you wear gloves 24/7?
31. gufort (Posts: 2; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)
No my friend, not Android user. There are some limits that are valid to any manufacturer, and this includes iOS, Android and WP.
If Android and WP also cross my privacy lines, I would rather go back to less advanced devices.
One thing is government authorities getting my data, where they have the legal right to have. The other thing is having to give up your privacy to adopt a device. This cost/benefit does not balance for me.
I mean it. For me Apple just crossed the line with this feature.
41. dvada191 (Posts: 8; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)
The fingerprints are stored on the processor, not a server. Did you even watch the keynote?
And anyway, I bet the government has had a good, long file on you and I long before PRISM and this Snowden bullsh*t. Have you ever been out of the country? Fingerprint. Believe me, they probably have a lot more sh*t in that file of theirs. It isn't really an issue if they have your fingerprint, if at all.
35. TBomb (Posts: 166; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
Now my first question is (and not to get off topic but...) why do people care so much about the NSA having some information about you? So they CAN access your emails or texts or whatever.... it doesn't mean they are. There are over 300 million people in the US... Do you really think they are reading YOUR stuff? Unless your name is on the most wanted list I don't think they're out to get you. As someone mentioned earlier... the situation of the government getting your fingerprint came up as a possibility of this.... pretty sure they probably already have it.
2nd... laptops have fingerprint scanners and if you have it... how often do you actually use it to log on or in general? Mine has it I think I used it exactly 6 times and that was 5 times to set it up and 1 more time to see if it worked. Haven't since. I can type myt passworld just as easily. My point being I don't see this being a big selling point or gimmick like apples hoping for.
42. dvada191 (Posts: 8; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)
Exactly. Why do people care so much if the NSA is banking their info? I bet they were monitoring suspicious people for a good while before now. It's nothing new.
36. AndroidistheFuture (Posts: 11; Member since: 25 Jul 2013)
just hope that the button doesnt spoil over time.
37. madmikepr (Posts: 122; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
apple make an whole video for one features \"touch ID sensor\" if android did that with every feature they will make a whole movie... xD
43. dvada191 (Posts: 8; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)
No, Apple made a video of Touch ID, A7 processor, the new camera and its f2.2 aperture, five-element lens, and new flash, the detection of different types of light, slow-motion video, burst mode on camera, iOS 7, a new color for the flagship phone, a new phone with many different colors, 64-bit architecture, and faster graphics.
38. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
wait wait wait, did you all suddenly forgot that samsung galaxy note 3 has fingerprint scanner too? lol!!!