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Indeed there is a way to downgrade your Windows Phone from 8.1 to Windows Phone 8.0

0. phoneArena 21 Apr 2014, 02:02 posted on

Did you upgrade your Windows Phone to the new 8.1? It is entirely feasible you did since Microsoft made it easy enough to do so...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 02:11 21

1. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Windows Phone wouldn't have survived without Nokia.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 02:28 9

2. tech2 (Posts: 3487; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


And vice versa

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 03:21 9

5. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Without Microsoft/Windows Phone holding it back, Nokia would have dominated the market.

Try to vice versa above statement, and you will realize.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 03:25 5

6. iamfury (Posts: 70; Member since: 07 Oct 2012)


You couldnt be more wrong buddy.
nokia would have destroyed samsung and other android OEMs if they had gone with android.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 03:32 5

7. tech2 (Posts: 3487; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


How was MS holding'em back when they were already burning cash, kept losing market share at a steady pace and were struggling to compete with android and ios's offerings ? Yes they could've developed their existing OS but they didn't that's their own fault. They only thing keeping them afloat was their feature phone lineup.

Microsoft injected the all necessary cash in to their business which they badly needed. Even now if MS didn't rescue them they would've been wiped a long time ago.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 03:36 4

8. tech2 (Posts: 3487; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


'would've.....' doesn't cut it buddy. Fact is they DIDN'T and its their fault not MS's

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 04:07 2

9. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2072; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


Why wouldn't have WP survived without Nokia? I see you surviving and commenting crap without your brains. If you can pull of a thing, then anyone can.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 04:16 2

11. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"How was MS holding'em back when they were already burning cash, kept losing market share at a steady pace and were struggling to compete with android and ios's offerings ?”
Yes.

"Yes they could've developed their existing OS but they didn't that's their own fault.”
Really?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387559,00.asp

"They only thing keeping them afloat was their feature phone lineup.”
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/images/news/smartphone_os_unit_sales_(based_on_gartner_and_idc_figures).png

"Microsoft injected the all necessary cash in to their business which they badly needed.”
Its Microsoft that needed someone to push the WP.

"Even now if MS didn't rescue them they would've been wiped a long time ago.”
If Nokia didn’t rescue Windows Phone, WP would have been wiped off, just like Microsoft’s previous attempts, those Kin phones.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 04:20 1

12. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"I see you surviving and commenting crap without your brains. If you can pull of a thing, then anyone can."
?
Is that a logic only which Windows Phone fanboys can understand and justify?

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 04:41 3

14. tech2 (Posts: 3487; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


That PC Mag article just goes to prove my point. They decided to stick to WP and not to develop Meego.

"They only thing keeping them afloat was their feature phone lineup.” Nice graph but high unit sales doesn't mean high profits.

'Its Microsoft that needed someone to push the WP'
Nokia needed them too because they were making loss.http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-income-for-apple-nokia-motorola-rim-2010-9

'If Nokia didn’t rescue Windows Phone, WP would have been wiped off, just like Microsoft’s previous attempts, those Kin phones.'
Lets assume for a sec your 'if' analysis is true. Even then all MS would loose is a mobile OS platform and they would back to drawing board and start again which they can afford to considering how filthy rich they are. Unlike Nokia for whom WP was their last shot. That's why Nokia needed MS more than MS needed Nokia.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 06:44 2

17. WindowsiDroid (Posts: 138; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)


Nokia have been destroyed because of their wrong tactics and business plans, if they gone with Android they will totally dominate the whole Android Ecosystem. In year 2008-2010 I guess, Samsung is not totally popular within that time and it just pop-out after they used Android so if Nokia did this things it will be totally good for us Super Quality, Good Software Update, Best Mapping and ETC.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 06:44 1

18. elitewolverine (Posts: 5192; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


It is a logic which you cannot understand.

Nokia needed win os just as much as win os needed nokia. Before their failed symbian experiment, how much share did symbian have vs android, ios, and more importantly the samsung oem. Because you seem to think anything running android is so profitable...

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 06:58 2

20. z4520ft (Posts: 4; Member since: 30 May 2013)


Without MS/Windows Phone, Nokia will dominated which market? Meego has potential but then it still 2 horse race back then, since there is not enough reason for iPhone or Android user jump to Meego.
Migrating from Android after 2 years, I pick Lumia since I love both WP and Nokia but without any one of them, I still pick HTC or Samsung's WP than Nokia's Meego or Symbian because Android still a better choice when it comes to open source OS since they already established large user base thus larger developer support.
I think BlackBerry with BB10 & z10 is a good example how market will react to gesture based Nokia-meego, they are really good in fact I did own N9 and my buddy have Q10 but then both not enough appeal for people to buy them/migrate over android or iOS.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 07:04 4

21. akki20892 (Posts: 3902; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


Nokia is only one who bring wp here. After all wouldn't have that much shipments or market share.
I agree, that's a true and clean fact. Everyone have to agree.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 07:07 2

22. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"They decided to stick to WP and not to develop Meego.”
Its not ‘they’, it was Elop. Because of which many left Nokia on their own.

"Nice graph but high unit sales doesn't mean high profits.”
Nice attempt, but Nokia were still selling more Symbian device than Android devices being sold.

"Nokia needed them too because they were making loss”
Nokia needed a good OS, which they should have developed, if it weren’t for Elop strangling MeeGo, slashing off Symbian and preventing the adoption of Android.

'If Nokia didn’t rescue Windows Phone, WP would have been wiped off, just like Microsoft’s previous attempts, those Kin phones.'
"Lets assume for a sec your 'if' analysis is true.”
You don’t need to ‘assume’ facts.

"Even then all MS would loose is a mobile OS platform and they would back to drawing board and start again which they can afford to considering how filthy rich they are.”
And i said 'Microsoft would have been wiped off’, where?
Are you rephrasing what i said, to make it look like you were right?

" Unlike Nokia for whom WP was their last shot.”
It was made a last shot because of Elop.

"That's why Nokia needed MS”
To drive them straight into the ground, so that they can be bought by it?

"more than MS needed Nokia.”
MS’s Windows Phone division needed Nokia, sorely.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 07:09 3

23. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"It is a logic which you cannot understand."
I know, since i'm not a WP fanboy.

"Nokia needed win os just as much as win os needed nokia"
Read above.

" Before their failed symbian experiment, how much share did symbian have vs android, ios, and more importantly the samsung oem"
Look above, In the links.

"Because you seem to think anything running android is so profitable..."
And i said that, where?

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 07:42 1

24. elitewolverine (Posts: 5192; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


No because you simply don't understand. If we don't agree with you, we are fanboy's, sounds familiar but again you wont understand. And that is somehow uber bad. I use all 4 OS's on a daily basis, teching them on a daily basis.

I did read above, Symbian was such a success it crushed android...you do know that before Nokia killed it off, Symbian sales made up 1% of the market.

Because if nokia would have made an android phone it would have been game over for everyone else....which at this point is nothing but what ifs and nothing more. There is no evidence that anyone can point to thinking that Nokia would be in any better shape with android, zero. Right now it is because of the resurgance it got from MS that people even want a nokia android device.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 07:53

25. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2072; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


Lets not argue with this dumb little idiot. Let him enjoy his lagging crapdroid OS.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 08:01 3

27. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"No because you simply don't understand. If we don't agree with you"
Of course not. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

"you do know that before Nokia killed it off,"
It was Elop, the first foreign CEO at Nokia, not Nokia itself, that killed it off.

"Because if nokia would have made an android phone it would have been game over for everyone else."
Not game over for everyone else... it would have just been dominating the market. thats all.
Android or its own developed MeeGo or if it had advanced Symbian, while it recuperates by selling Android devices.

"There is no evidence that anyone can point to thinking that Nokia would be in any better shape with android, zero."
Its current shape since going with Windows Phone - devices division sold to Microsoft.

"Right now it is because of the resurgance it got from MS that people even want a nokia android device."
They want a Nokia Android because they like Nokia hardware and don't like Windows Phone software.

Be a bit greatful/respectful for the company that is being sold, trying to save your favourite plaform, Windows Phone.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 08:26 3

28. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"Lets not argue with this dumb little idiot"
You're more vocal today, aren't you.

"Let him enjoy his lagging crapdroid OS"
CrapDroid OS? I use Windows Phone OS, so if you're indicating that, then there is nothing to enjoy in that.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 08:53 3

29. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Now they're calling names when they don't like what's said?

You can't reason with fans.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 09:26

31. eharris560 (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


Don't forget webOS. I love gestures, but the market seem not to.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 09:28

32. eharris560 (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


That's funny

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 09:40 4

34. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Name one OEM other than Nokia that is doing well with WP. Nokia isn't even doing all that great either, every week there seems to be an article where they are giving away their phones with two year contracts.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 09:45 4

36. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I might have to agree with this....the most popular Android phones have tons of features, and nice specs.

Nokia would have given Samsung a run for their money. HTC was supposed to...Moto...I dont know whats up with my fav phone manufacture. Still love their phones tho.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 09:46 2

37. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Pretty much...

In Android land....first it was Motorola and HTC ...now its Samsung and probably LG. But Samsung by a big margin.

In WP land...its Nokia or bust.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 09:46 3

38. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Good point an well said.
Add in, it took free licensing, a huge cash injection a Trojan horse CEO.

+1

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 10:09

40. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"Without MS/Windows Phone, Nokia will dominated which market? Meego..."
Thats why i said Nokia would have been advancing Symbian, while it recuperates by selling Android, by which it would have dominated the market with its well known hardware.

When Microsoft's Elop, took over as CEO of Nokia, he killed all developments on Symbian and gave the Symbian development team the boot, killed of MeeGo and confined Nokia from adopting Android. He basically killed all options for Nokia.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 10:11

41. tech2 (Posts: 3487; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


'Nice attempt, but Nokia were still selling more Symbian device than Android devices being sold.'
-AGAIN, sales mean nothing if you can't generate profit from it.

'Its not ‘they’, it was Elop. Because of which many left Nokia on their own. Nokia needed a good OS, which they should have developed, if it weren’t for Elop strangling MeeGo, slashing off Symbian and preventing the adoption of Android'
-Funny how Elop gets blamed for every wrong decision Nokia makes when they're the ones to appoint him as a CEO. So if he made a bad decision Nokia is equally responsible as they appointed him as the CEO. He just didn't appear from thin-air.

'If Nokia didn’t rescue Windows Phone, WP would have been wiped off, just like Microsoft’s previous attempts, those Kin phones.'
'You don’t need to ‘assume’ facts.'
-So what you're saying is Nokia rescued WP. If so, why is the rescuer being rescued then ? NOKIA DID NOT RESCUE WP. WP is beyond rescuing IMO. Although Nokia did made them popular.

'And i said 'Microsoft would have been wiped off’, where?
Are you rephrasing what i said, to make it look like you were right?'
-It was written in context to WP not MS. Re-read the comment.

'It was made a last shot because of Elop.'
Strongly disagree for the reasons I wrote in first comment, to which you agreed too.

'MS’s Windows Phone division needed Nokia, sorely.'
WP needed them not MS. No matter what, you can't deny the fact that Nokia needed them too and all that necessary cash injection from MS.

Anyway, we gotta agree to disagree on this one. Nice talking to ya. Cheers.

posted on 21 Apr 2014, 10:15 1

42. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2072; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


Name one OEM other than Samsung doing well with Android. Its not funny now is it.

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