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In the world of patents: Samsung < Apple < Zhizhen

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In the world of patents: Samsung < Apple < Zhizhen
We're living in a strange world. One moment you sue someone for stealing from you, the next you're being sued by someone else for stealing from them. At least, this seems to be the case with Apple, who has recently achieved some victories in the court, managing to block the sales of devices like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Galaxy Nexus, but has also paid $60 million to ProView for rights over the iPad name in China.

It looks like China may not be the hospitable place Apple expected it to be. Sure, we know that the Cupertino-based company sees China as one of the biggest opportunities for market growth, but it may soon have to pay another hefty sum, this time to a company called Zhizhen Network Technology, due to patent infringement. But who are Zhizhen and do they even have patents? It turns out they do, and they are suing Apple because of Siri, which, they claim, is infringing on their patent for a "type of instant messaging chat bot system", called Xiaoi Bot. Xiaoi Bot is said to be a relatively popular Siri-like service in China, which comes pre-loaded on some smartphones.

According to the available information about the case, what has made Zhizhen file the lawsuit was Apple's description of Siri, found on the official iPhone 4S web page. Since then, the description has been removed, but nonetheless, Apple may have to pay north of the $60 million it paid to ProView to settle this up.

Check out Xiaoi Bot in action:



via: RedmondPie

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posted on 05 Jul 2012, 09:56 13

1. deviantirish79 (Posts: 21; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


SJ must have taken a tour of the Lenovo facility.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 09:57 15

2. plgladio (Posts: 311; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


SIRI SIRI SIRI...
Atleast now Apple fans think that none in the mobile is invented by Apple. I'm not telling that Android is perfect, but stop crying like baby..

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 10:05 11

4. plgladio (Posts: 311; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Add to this:
*Xiaoi Bot is also integrated with Lenovo’s upcoming Android 4.0-based SmartTV.
So I think they wont sue Android :D

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 10:10 5

5. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1037; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)


And the iPhone is made up of so many Samsung parts. That never stopped apple from suing them! You can never know what will happen when lawyers entry the picture.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 10:13 7

7. plgladio (Posts: 311; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Samsung should show this case to US judge, that Apple already infringed SIRI.
I think to settle Zhizhen Network Technology, Apple gets money from Samsung.
Why can't they give from their own pockets? That much lazy?

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 19:23 2

19. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


My friends who are native Mandarin speakers tell me the video is blatant rip-off of Apple Siri commericals / promo materials.

In the Apple commercial, SIRI is asked who are you and SIRI replies: "I am a humble personal assistant." In the video, the Chinese Voice Assistant goes over a lengthy CYA.

Here's what my native Mandarin speakers were pointing out some of the Apple rip-offs or how Zhizhen cloned SIRI:
(1) Female Voice
(2) Microphone Icon along with very similar graphics and sounds
(3) The answer layouts are remarkably similar to what Apple produces
(4) The types of questions asked clearly mimic Apple

If people had checked Wikipedia, it was clear SIRI was in the public domain as of February 2010. Siri, Inc. was founded in 2007 and SIRI uses technology that dating back to the 1960's, which predates the ZhiZhen's patent date.
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siri_(software)

It would be nice if the android camp would take the time to look up the facts, but that requires work. We understand.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 19:44 2

20. jroc74 (Posts: 4076; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Who had a working product first?

Dont THEY BOTH use the technology from the 60's???

If thats the case....the Apple needs to pay MS for the Surface ripoff...the iPad. MS debuted a device loooong before the iPad. Just took them a loooong time to finish it.

Talking about fact checking....lol. I knew some iFans were gonna come up with some off the wall theories.....

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 01:39 2

23. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


jroc74, you say some of the dumbest things on this site. Do you not understand logic?

You want people to believe that Apple that worked on the iPad in 2004 stole the idea from the MicroSoft Surface tablet introduced in 2012. As if Apple had a time machine and went into the future to steal from MicroSoft? Here's a fact, Apple submitted its design patent on 3/17/2004, which is almost 8 years ahead of the introduction of the Surface tablet. Sourcehttp://www.google.com/patents/USD504889

Also, why is it the android camp rarely leave sources so the other party can verify the known FACTS.

jroc74, I want to thank you for embarassing yourself in the public domain.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 02:15 2

25. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)


it is a fact that tablets were introduced by microsoft way before apple. ifans should check sources before posting nonsense.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 19:49

31. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


thinking, are smoking crack or something? The only nonsense is your inability to discern that jroc74 explicitedly and specifically wrote about the "Surface [tablet]".

Also, it is a known FACT that microsoft's original tablet required a STYLUS. Apple's tablets are DIFFERENT because they don't require a stylus.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 06:52 3

30. jroc74 (Posts: 4076; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


As ususal with iFans.....they wanna dismiss anyone who isnt Apple. So predictible...Please look up Pixel Sense...and try again......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense# History

"The idea for the product was initially conceptualized in 2001 by Steven Bathiche of Microsoft Hardware and Andy Wilson of Microsoft Research.

In October 2001, DJ Kurlander, Michael Kim, Joel Dehlin, Bathiche and Wilson formed a virtual team to bring the idea to the next stage of development.

In 2003, the team presented the idea to the Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, in a group review. Later, the virtual team was expanded and a prototype nicknamed T1 was produced within a month. The prototype was based on an IKEA table with a hole cut in the top and a sheet of architect vellum used as a diffuser. The team also developed some applications, including pinball, a photo browser, and a video puzzle.

Over the next year, Microsoft built more than 85 early prototypes. The final hardware design was completed in 2005."

Again......"The final hardware design was completed in 2005."

Again....who had a working model first......and look at when they started working on it.....MS had actual hardware available....looooong before the iPad.

Do your self a favor....and go buy a clue. They might sell brains in the Apple App store....

iFans are so good at looking up Apple history....but not anyone elses...Btw....I like the fact you notice what I post on here...but rarely respond to it. Dont be scared....lol. I just like calling out iFans on their stupidity and arrogance.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 19:55

32. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


jroc74, you wrote about the Surface [tablet] that was introduced in 2012. DUH. Like I stated earlier, you like to say really dumb things.

jroc74, here are your original words "...Apple needs to pay MS for the Surface ripoff".

Per Wikipedia: "The product was announced by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer at a Los Angeles event on June 18, 2012, at Milk Studios." (source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Surface ) Again, the Surface Tablet was introduced in 2012 as I stated previously.

jroc74, THANK YOU again for continuing to embarrass yourself in the public domain.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 00:01 1

34. jroc74 (Posts: 4076; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Do I have to hold your hand for everything? Come on lil Johnny....here you go:

"For a commercial surface computing platform formerly known as Microsoft Surface, see Microsoft PixelSense."

"The product was renamed from "Microsoft Surface" to "Microsoft PixelSense" on June 18, 2012"

Key phrase......wait for it.........FORMELY KNOWN AS. Was it a 7inch tablet back then? Dont really know.....but the idea was there, the launch was there...looong before the iPad. Look at the clip on wiki under PixelSense for a hands on demo.

There were no pens with that giant computer...all touch dude...multi touch too. Read up on the technology involved with Surface....waaaay back then.

I see you didnt buy a clue.....

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 02:12 2

24. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)


1. female voice? then if your office has a female receptionist, that should be a patent violation.

2. microphone icon? so what else should it be? and who made the microphone icon? Isn't that a violation of the real mike's patent? What does apple use to play music? a backward arrow? or a downward one?

3. you're just saying they're similar. that does not say who stole from whom. the point is apple stole it from zhizhen. How? Here's how. If you read the article above, you'll realise that apple removed the description of siri from its site following complaints from zhizhen. Now, tell me, if you make a great original product, why would you describe it with a translation from Mandarin describing what Zhizhen did with a very similar product?

4. What special kind of questions would you ask a voice assistant? And again, you're saying they're similar, not who copied from whom. See point 3 above.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 20:06

33. ardent1 (Posts: 1983; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


thinking,

1) Are you a sexist or misogynist? Why do you put woman down? In every company I worked at, there were both male and female receptionists. These were usually temp workers with sunny dispositions. SIRI is NOT a receptionist, "she" is a personal assistant.

2) The "microphone icon" that happens to look like SIRI's microphone with the same UI, the light that goes around the ring as well as the sound effects. If I did a double blind test on the microphone, and just asked people, they will most likely identify it with SIRI.

3) If you asked 100 objective android users, even they will admit this UI is incredibly similar to SIRI. Unless you can provide Xiaoi Bot's UI prior to Android 4.0, you got no legs to stand on as usual.

4) Most people would ask basic and random questions. The lack of randomness points to the mainland copying the industry standard. This is a point you don't understand, it is far easier to copy than to invent. Once Apple worked out the UI for SIRI, that makes it easier for the copycats to make the clones.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 09:59 12

3. kunyuk (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Wow another karma for Cr@pple

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 14:42 5

15. bbblader (Posts: 537; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


karma's a b*tch
but when you think of it so is apple

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 17:59 3

17. jroc74 (Posts: 4076; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


This is so funny...on so many levels....lol.

Karma.....isnt it sweet?

I patiently await the iFans explanation about this one...

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 03:34 1

29. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)


karma's bitch.. the sweet one is kurma..

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 10:12 15

6. zhypher_23 (Posts: 195; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)


Apple makes nearly nothing themselves. They buy/copy revamp.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 10:17 5

8. plgladio (Posts: 311; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Exactly! They say in the WWDC that first time in mobile APPLE uses this technology. For example SIRI but Xiaoi Bot is running from 2006

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 10:33 8

9. amiaq (Posts: 321; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)


What ?? Apple is force to eat it own crap?? that's funny.. karma huh??

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 11:07 1

10. clevername (Posts: 1407; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


apple does own siri and is responsible for any patent violations but dont start thinking this is apple ripping off an android partner or anyone for that matter. siri started as an artificial intelligence project for DARPA. an offshoot of the CALO project. parrallel ideas at most but if there is any "chinese connection" (pardon the pun) it would have to be through Sir Ka-Shing Li, a hong kong billionaire who helped fund dag kittlaus during the founding of his company, named siri after the product of course.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 11:16 8

11. Orbitman (Posts: 109; Member since: 09 Oct 2011)


wow, they're even almost identical. Apple's gonna have some trouble with this one (hopefully) lol

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 12:30 3

12. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Good, second screwing case for Apple

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 13:00 4

13. Cerberusa2a (Posts: 33; Member since: 24 May 2012)


*slow clap* way to be on the ball apple. Forget TV drama this is gold right here, the plot thickens.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 14:05 4

14. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


Wow China the country with largest pirate brands and software in the world suing for copy rights that's silly but even more ridiculous a bunch of fandrois defending a foreing company because they hate Apple......!!!!!!

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 02:19

26. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)


That is an insult to an entire country.
Did you read the article. This looks like a clear case of a false patent on a stolen techology by apple.
and china is where the iphones are made. so, i'm sure apple doesn't hate china all that much.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 02:19

27. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)


and china also has some of the best brands including computing - think lenovo and huawei.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 15:33 3

16. Rayvelynn (Posts: 123; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Why am I not surprised, tsk tsk tsk

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 18:01 2

18. jroc74 (Posts: 4076; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


All this...and all Google had to do was issue a software update for its Search software...

Karma is definitely a .....

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 02:21 1

28. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)


taht's a bogus patent anyway, and now it's a false patent, too.
apple shoulld be crippled with a heavy penalty and a ban for misusing court time with false cases.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 20:36 2

21. twinningx3 (Posts: 1; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


lol, pay over 200 million to buyout a company, check. intergrate into device and market yours as the first and only, check. Get sued over it, check. kharma for all the legal suits apple has been making?

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 21:39 1

22. jroc74 (Posts: 4076; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Priceless.

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