Imagination announces PowerVR G6630 - up to 60 times the graphics prowess of current iPhones and iPads
0. phoneArena 19 Nov 2012, 02:43 posted on
PowerVR-based designs are what ticks inside iPhones and iPads, so Series6 is very much guaranteed to find its way into next year's edition of Apple's mobile devices. The iPad 4, for example, which is the device with the most powerful mobile graphics ever made by Apple, and crushes the competition out there, runs on a modified quad-core PowerVR SGX554 graphics, part of the Series5 processors...
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1. Cyan3boN (Posts: 444; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
60 times WTF!! it will easily beat the ps3 Xbox and come close to some entry to mid level discrete gfx cards. we need some good innovation in the battery department to power this beast.
2. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Even the sgx554 in iPad 4 is faster than all the current consoles.
Top of the line Rogue GPUs will be insanely fast - one TFLOP is around the power of a high end discrete GPU!
This is pretty revolutionary
5. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
A 554 faster than current console gpus? You on drugs?
11. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Where did you get the information that 554MP4 is faster than current console GPUs?
Last time I did the calculation it got just to the level of the Wii, but far from PS3 or XBox 360.
People in this site really tend to overestimiate the power of mobile GPUs, or underestimate the power of console ones, as you prefer.
27. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Well responded. Mobile GPUs have modern features such as DirectX 10.1, but nowhere near the raw performance of console GPUs, even though those are held back by the limited RAM. Wii GPU may not have shader support but it can churn out a high amount of polygons and has very good fillrate.
31. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Are you sure there are any current mobile GPU that implements DirectX 10.1?
Most of them only implement DirectX 9.0c, or DirectX 11 feature level 9_3 if you prefer.
Not doubting or anything, I'm just curious about which ones.
Adreno and PowerVR not for sure, and Mali I highly doubt it.
34. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
SGX545, Adreno 320, probably Mali T-604 and up.
Here is a link for PowerVR chips.
43. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
You are right for SGX545, but not for Adreno 320 or Mali T604, they only supports 9_3, that´s why I was asking.
And the SGX545 is only used in Intel Atom Z2670, so it´s kind of "not really" a mobile chipset as it is used only for Windows 8 right now.
15. jove39 (Posts: 1817; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Seriously...iPad4's GPU maxes at 76.8 GFLOPS and what is max of PS3? 400.4 GFLOPS so which is better? and you know PS3 has 128 bit wide bus rated at 22.8GB/s...and remember it was launched in 2006!!!
18. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Yeah but the thing is you are comparing two different environments.
For example, even when taking consoles only you can see that.. PS3 is stated to peak from 200-400gflops while Xbox 360 is around 100.
Yet can you say the Xbox is inferior?
They both work with lower ram and lower screen resolutions than mobile gpus.
Mobile gpu environment is somehow just much more efficient.
When you see games like real racing 3 shining on the top console level even on "old " iPad, and imagine how the next iteration fully optimized for iPad 4 will look like, you just can't help but get the same conclusion.
Yeah I'm aware that mobile chip makers tend to overblown things (Qualcomm even comparing their adreno 22x series with current consoles, for example), but overall I think the PowerVR series is up there now.
21. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
You are just back peddling now. You cannot scale these chips as you like. If it was so simple we would have little i7's inside our phone.
25. jove39 (Posts: 1817; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
1080p wasn't norm in 2006 so low resolutions...for ram 256 mb of ps3 ram is clocked 3.2ghz...and other 256 at 700mhz...faster ram coupled with high bandwidth bus results in better performance. for Xbox is not inferior...it has unified shader more than 5 years ago...cross platform titles are better on xbox but titles tailored for ps3 are just better than anything...no doubt powerVR gpu are best pixel pushing monsters in mobile space but no where close to console or destop performance level.
28. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
You're kidding right? A car in Need for Speed Carbon has more polygons than the whole track in RR3. Stop dreaming and you do your homework. How in the hell does a 360 have 100gflops? I'll repeat the question, you on drugs? And no, PowerVR is not up there. It's a far cry from RSX and Xenos raw power. They can make a game look similar these days with shaders since you actually perceive it on a smaller screen, but the polygon count is nowhere close. A single car in GT5 has 250000 polygons.
35. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
What the hell?
Please enlighten me on those polygon numbers!
Last time I checked, Xbox 360 was stated at around 105 gflops, and the iPad screen was of higher resolution than your console supports.
38. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
What sources are you reading? Your isolated garage of a brain? Typing Xenos gflop in google immediately shows 250gflops at the very first article. Grow up and smell the cookie jar on top of your refridgerator.
39. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
So I misplaced CPU and GPU figures.. was certain that Xbox hits 115gflops and haven't bothered to check.
Still my points remain..you can't compare two such different environments in other than the end result - the content displayed on the screen. Mobile gpu works way more efficiently, it's a newer architecture which supports higher ram and resolutions.. even if you compare raw power numbers, 76gflops on 200MHz is not all that inferior to 240gflops on 500MHz.
THAT SAID, it's obvious replying to you is a waste of time so consider this my last words in your direction.
Stating that a single car in nfs carbon has more polygons than entire track in real racing 3 is just about the most idiotic thing ever posted on this site.
Congratulations, that one will be hard to beat..but your second statement about swift comes as a close second.
I for one at least tried to actually make a comparison between the core i5, using common reason, unbiased approach, and geekbench figures.
While you just talk out of your bitter ass.
The truth is you have no clue about low power chips.
You're an atrocious, despicable ignorant. And now I'll leave you with that, and with Apple, Google, Samsung ... to prove it all to you in the coming years.
32. casperspirits (Posts: 15; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
Darac: wow, you nonsense have to stop talking already. what are you 3 yro and trying to be an expert?
36. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
It maxes that at 200mhz..what about at 300mhz?
What about 500mhz?
Also, sgx554 has a 128bit wide bus
46. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1514; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Two things wrong there already:
The sgx554 gets 76.8 GFLOPS at 300MHz, not 200Mz
That also means Daniel is wrong and the iPad 4 only makes a bit over 50 GFLOPs as most likely the GPU is clocked at 200MHz. And that's the best mobile GPU in a device right now.
You'll have to wait till the big guns go out to get to current gen consoles (PS3, XB360). By my own calculations you have to get over 100 GFLOPs. And that would be:
Mali: minimun the t628
PowerVR: minimum the SGX554MP4 @400 MHz or some of the new Rogue models.
Nvidia: They said it won't get there till 2014, so two generations away. Probably Gray, not Wayne.
Qualcomm: they need somethign 4x the current Adreno 320...
So give up, we are still far away of getting the power of PSW in mobile chipsets.
8. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1235; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
I dont buy it....this company seems to be speaking out of its a$$ just like Apple!
If this were true then ok Nvidia and AMD can just shut themselves down and we could use this GPU in all devices mobile, tablet or laptop doin us all a world of good on saving battery especially in laptops! this is just dumb....no way these cards are even close to console graphics let alone discrete Nvidia and AMD cards!!
what is it with these Apple component suppliers...does Apple'sover-the-top marketing claims style rub off on them?
10. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Do you know what one Teraflop is?
You are making your self such a fool.. go tell Apple to hire you instead of their chip experts.
Apple is doing all the right moves in the chip department really. Their own ARM based soc paired with this GPU will be fantastic.
12. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Just to clarify my self..
It seems that Apple will ditch Intel for all of the Macbook line and use ARM architecture CPU with these GPUs.
Hypothetical six core "swift " running at 2-2.5 ghz, paired with Rogue GPU should be far better than dual core i5 with Intel hd4000 graphics, for example.
At the same time it probably wouldn't draw more power.
17. jove39 (Posts: 1817; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Apple build's software tightly close to hardware if they managed to build a 4/8 core chip based on ARMv8 A53 design then they can easily match intel's low power i5 cpu. but don't expect something beating 4core i7.
19. mr.techdude (Posts: 569; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Ummmmm isn't apple using nvidia for there macs especially the new Mac book pro and what about Samsung don't they make chips for apple iPhone like the a6 chip
23. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Current Swift at 3 ghz would still be a joke compared to i5.
30. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Current Swift a 25GHz would still be a joke compared to i3.
33. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
You're a bad joke.
Which can be seen by your user name BTW.
It's hard to compare but using geekbench and some rough math, current swift is at about 40 percent of processing power of core i5, per clock.
In power efficiency though, it should be at least 3 times better.
Now use some brain and imagine improved, second generation swift, running on double the core count compared to i5.
But yeah, you know better obviously!
I wonder why you aren't working as a head of Intel or Apple silicon department yet, with your superior knowledge.
37. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
You keep forgetting that PC technology doesn't stand still. You think there won't be a new i5? I bet you still have a P4 for a PC trying to overcompensate that with a mobile CPU. Good luck. As for it being 40%, the amount of bullcrap spewing out of your hole is insane.
16. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
You are behaving as if all other company like nvidia, Intel is going to sit still.
Go have a look at Nvidia and Intel's future road map. They are more impressive than this.
40. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1235; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
oh no aint that cute? the little TROLL is all over this post being the vanguard for apple and its chip supplier :) well kid thats all it is...cute! Ever heard of Nvidia tesla?
Look here Jack before you open that glob of a pie hole in your face you clearly do not know what you're talking about as teraflop isnt the only deciding factor but as all noobs do you jumped the gun in your response with one tiny factor that you could fathom. Tell me did your head hurt when you tried to understand what a teraflop is for replying to my post??? :)
Boy dont be a fool or an iFanboyish girl as they both are synonyms for each other and realize this that the Macbook/Mac computers sales have gone up due to success of Apple's entire mobile line up but this will quickly change as Apple has decided to dump intel as its main SoC and gone for its own brew which in the PC world is a bad bad move.
Granted people are brand loyal but they aint dumb and if Apple gives its own brew of sillicon in its computers their computer sales will once again decline like in the mid 90s however their mobile devices sales will keep bearing good fruit.
And you really dont want to get in a slugfest with me about GPUs cuz if you follow online gaming then I need no intro bro!
iFanboyish little girls like you defend everything that fruit company does while all their fruit is good for is making PIES and I just LLLOOVVVEEE Pies :)
Apple should make baby pacifiers for people like you...if they did I'd definitely get you one! :)
41. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
That was cute!
Dude I hate Apple..for the most part.. but I love low power, innovative tech.
I'm being a troll?
Man, just take a long, hard look at your statements prior to my response.
"No way these cards are even close to consoles "
Let's ask your precious Nvidia then.
44. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1235; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
I m Jack? Okay jill I'll play :)
Nvidia says mobile graphics will be better than X360 because X360 is using a gpu thats six years old and also it WILL bceome better by 2014 - a good year and a half or two...its not gonna be January dont worry!
And secondly the next gen console is going to be featuring a 6xxxAMD discrete desktop GPU that are crazy fast even compared to high-end laptop GPUS thre fore they'll still blow away the tablet/phone GPUs in 2014 for by which the next gen X360 is scheduled to be released!
I am neat and efficient!
45. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
You call that a play?: p
You missed your own quote. Do I need to repeat it to you?
Also, you missed that Nvidia gives that as estimate for their own chips.
And then you missed the fact that Rogue chips will probably be better than "Grey" and "Logan " gpu, just like all previous IT gpu were, compared to Nvidia offerings.
Oh and they will be out before 2014.
Game over. Lol
47. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1235; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Oh now you're pickin my words apart as you dont have a valid argument (no surprise there...all noobs do it)
are you referring to me saying mobile gpus'll be better in 2014 ciz I meant that they'll be better than current gen console gpus not the X720 console's gpu...happy? Gimme a break!
and ok if they were better than nvidia;s offerings then why werent they big in the market? oh let me huess they were uncrowned unspoken gpu champs? and ok even if they're out a little earlier than 2014 so what? its not like console and pc/laptop gpu development is going to stop...there'll always be a demand as long as the product exists or unless the device game is completely revolutionized...it just called derived demand...basic econ bro.
Kid the game was over when I first replied to you...now I am just toying with you!
48. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Well excuse me for taking your comment for what it was:
"No way THESE cards ARE even close to consoles "
You were basically saying that this Rogue series isn't even close to CURRENT console level.
Now if you really think that, well I say you're totally deluded.
If you don't, learn to write accordingly
49. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1235; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
oh now your argument is :I said that and you said this!" Pathetic (and noobish) by any standards
You callin me deluded...buddy I am givin you a chance stop anme calling or your a$$ will be owned all over PA by me!
Kid you've got a bruised ego right now with a load of butt-hurt....nurse it for the next time we cross paths!
50. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
That was entertaining actually.
I see clearly who's the kid here. Bye bye! :)
51. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1235; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
thats weak by all standards....
hmmm it took you quite the number of posts to realize you were the kid :)
42. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Oh and my head didn't hurt, thanks.
The brain inside it is said to be able to process 100- 1000 QUADRILLION FLOATING OPERATIONS PER SECOND.. ;)
29. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
PowerVR are capable GPUs. Just check out how much the DreamCast was ahead of its time. They are not close to high end PC level, and they don't need to be since they do end up in a less than 1cm thick shell.
14. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
People are behaving as if this is going to come out tomorrow. Just the fact that the time frame is not mentioned tells you something. BTW both ARM with Mali and Nvidia has announced extremely powerful GPU's for the future, which is likely to be on par or better than this.
3. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)
...and I'm still using an SGX530 T_T
I'm definitely gonna get any Android phone with that GPU for my next phone :D
6. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
A 530 does the job for me. My N9 is flawless ;)
22. mr.techdude (Posts: 569; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
I don't think that android will be looking in getting that dude when the tegra 4 or the quolcomes s5 chip comes out that processor is like old news u know what I mean
4. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Actually, if numbers are right, this should be way more capable even than the next generation consoles.
Xbox 720 is being mentioned as ten times faster than Xbox 360..series 6 is freaking 15 times faster than iPad 4 GPU.
7. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
There have been rumours of the PS4 using a Rogue 6 GPU.
20. thienson (Posts: 8; Member since: 09 Oct 2012)
this sux...android graphic power will never catch up with apple or wat? :(
26. mr.techdude (Posts: 569; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
WO WO wooo hold it right there ur right but don't jump to conclusions how many iphones are there.... yes that's right only a few while developers are staying hours on there butts optimizing the games for iphones and look at android yes how many devices are there ufffff..... Developers for android are just lazy not all but some. the HTC one x (tegra 3)develops the best graphics on mobile handset and just a bit better then iphone 5 but is not as fluid and smooth as iphone u get were I'm at
24. anirudhshirsat97 (Posts: 408; Member since: 24 May 2011)
Hope it gives good battery life along with the performance.