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ITU says LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ are now officially 4G

0. phoneArena 18 Dec 2010, 13:03 posted on

The International Telecommunications Union has changed its position and now says that T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon are all telling the truth about offering 4G services; LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ are now officially considered 4G...

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posted on 18 Dec 2010, 14:00 5

1. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

No one cares what a group, set up by the UN, has to say about anything!

I said from the begining that this group was a sham and that they created these "qualifications" for "4G" AFTER Sprints 4G network was established.

And now they are saying hspa+ is 4G??? WTF

Verizon and Sprint are the only ones with 4G. HSPA+ blows and it ISNT 4G.
Like I said, SCREW THE ITU!

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 16:08

8. Galen20K (Posts: 541; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

HSPA+ IS 4G, get over it moron.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 16:15 5

9. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

So why doesn't AT&T advertise it as 4G then? They do have the largest HSPA+ network.

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 12:45 1

30. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

What the heck. Either people can't handle being ***** slapped or phonearena is deleting peoples comments.
Now everything looks out of order and is confusing.

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 08:03

17. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

Dude, I agree. I've been the biggest LTE and WiMAX are not 4G...but at least those were different technologies. Now a 3G technology is 4G? What the fuck is going on?

And you know why this doesn't work for consumers? Because cell companies don't have to invest in innovation. There is no push to make it better. They can sit on 3G and say, no this is 4G...without doing anything at all. LAME LAME LAME!

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 12:54 1

33. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

Except... I believe LTE and WiMAX are 4G...
I even said so... right down at the bottom of my rant.

posted on 02 Jan 2011, 14:02 1

49. stopcryinitsjusafone (Posts: 10; Member since: 02 Jan 2011)

It's not the same, now I'm sure you must be pretty upset and have your panties in a bunch because you pay extra with I'm guessing sprint for 4g and not get it but there is a diffrence, speed tests have determine this.. THIS IS FACT. so get off your drum set questlove and read a news article about technology. This is your real daddy signing off!!

posted on 31 Jan 2011, 17:04

51. rp8083 (Posts: 1; Member since: 31 Jan 2011)

Except the ITU definition of 4G as outlined in ITU-R M.1645 was published in January 2001. 10 years ago. A bit before Sprint established their "4G" network.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 14:11 1

2. omarc26 (Posts: 360; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

well yeaa hspa+ may not be 4g but it sure as hell is faster than sprints so called 4g wimax network over here in La t-mobile smokes sprint in terms of speed the highest i have seen on sprint on my friends evo is 7 mbps on 4g and on my other friends my touch 4g the highest i seen is 12 mbps but they still dnt beat me im using the lg laptop stick from verizon and the highest i have gotten is 26 mbps up and 14 mbps down on verizons Lte network

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 18:49

41. uofmrules (Posts: 48; Member since: 11 Oct 2010)

Glad everyone thinks they know the answer on whos type of network is better. Here are the tested results.

LTE (Verizon) Average between 5mps-12mps
WIMAX (Sprint) Average between 3mps-6mps
HSPA+ (AT&T, T-Mobile) Average between 1.5mps-7mps

Now as we can see LTE is by far better and Wimax/HSPA+ battle for last.

The biggest difference which people don't look at is depth benetration into buildings. LTE is 700 mhz where WIMAX is at 2500 mhz and HSPA+ averages about 1500 mhz. The lower the better, so LTE is the fastest and will allow you to get better phone signal inside a building as well.

So really the only fighting that can be done is over who has the worst.

posted on 22 Dec 2010, 11:19

43. WillieFDiaz (Posts: 118; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

But remember the lower the frequency, the more battery life you sacrifice (this will be the case with WiMAX too in the beginning as seen on the EVO and EPIC), but also the lower the frequency the less bandwidth can be used. So... We will see whos network is faster.

posted on 22 Dec 2010, 20:24 1

46. Tim of Colorado (unregistered)

Of course to have LTE, you're limited to 5Gb/mo. for $50. I average 8Gb/mo and that number goes up all the time. A two hour streamed movie is about 3Gb by itself.

So, 5Gb, limits a user to 1 movie, some browsing, some emails, and some GPS. No wonder they don't have HDMI on their phones. Slingers: 1 movie a week=$120/mo on Verizon.

Verizon is good for old rich people that just want to talk, or farmers. But for middle class techies, they suck.

posted on 23 Dec 2010, 07:14

47. uofmrules (Posts: 48; Member since: 11 Oct 2010)

Those are aircard plans, and aircards as of right now are not made to be used to that type of use.

Don't complain about something that you are trying or want to use for a purpose it's not made for.

posted on 28 Dec 2010, 13:25

48. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

TIm of Colorado is correct on the data limits, only it is for curernt 3G: Big Red's contract details for data usage on 4G remain yet to be seen...

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 14:12 1

3. techhead209 (unregistered)

hspa+ actually has quicker download and upload times even though it is just revamped 3g......larger coverage wiyh rate plans that dont incur overages like verizon and at&t,which the limit is set at 5gb before yhey start to ream you.......personal opinion is that t mobile despite not being on wi-maxx or lte is still faster than its competitors....Mytouch 4G

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 14:41 5

4. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

Thats probably because you dont live in a well covered Wi-max market,
I live in Portland, OR. We were the first city to send out a 4G signal and the second city to recieve Clear's Wi-Max.
And I can tell you, WiMax is WAAAY faster than tmobs hspa+.

@omarc26. I would LOOOVE to see you post a pic of you getting 12mbps. I highly doubt you are getting those speeds.

HOWEVER, that is all besides the point. The point is, HSPA+ is NOT 4G! AT&T has a larger footprint of HSPA+ than tmob, yet tmob still advertises that they have the largest 4G network. They are lying twice in one sentence. They dont have 4G and it is most certainly NOT the largest hspa+ network.
Verizon has 4G, I didnt argue that. The argument is "What is and what isn't 4G?" Not "Who has the fastest network?"

And FYI, tmob DOES have a HSPA+ data cap. Once you hit 5GB they will slow you down to as low as 2G speeds. If you dont believe me, look it up!

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 19:04 1

28. JT04 (unregistered)

I live in Atlanta and the TMo is lot faster than EVO4G. I have compared it with a friend who has and even TMo HD2 which is not a HSPA+ device but leave EVO in dust. You may want to compare it again.

On the other note, do some research and you will find the ATT does not have as large coverage of HSPA+ coverage as TMo.

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 17:08 1

37. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

I dont know how many times people need to say this, but not EVERYWHERE you go, will have the same speeds/coverage.
Heck, I get great coverage at work, but 15 miles at my house, it sucks. (I have verizon).
You have to realize their is a bigger picture here. Your city is not the only city on planet earth.

The reason WiMAX and LTE don't have good coverage and reliable speeds yet is because they are a new technology. It takes a lot of work and money to build out a new infrastructure.

Tmob already has good 3.5G *cough* coverage because it is not a new tech. They didnt have to build out a new infrastructure. They used their current one. Its fast, sure, but it isnt 4G.

btw... AT&T has 80% of its footprint covered with HSPA+

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 18:54

42. uofmrules (Posts: 48; Member since: 11 Oct 2010)

4G did have to be 100MPS. Thats why Verizon advertised they had 4G because they have tested it as high as 100mps. The ONLY company to do so. We just won't see those speeds for a long time. So it seems like to make every company happy a usless groupd called ITU said sure lets just say every network is now 4G.

The ONLY network to really have 4G is LTE/Verizon.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 14:45

5. not a cell phone employee (unregistered)

Why do cellular employees comment here? Noone wants to hear your biased comments.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 15:10 4

6. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

Yeeeeaaah.... because you don't have a biase.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 15:13 1

7. Doakie (Posts: 2009; Member since: 06 May 2009)

I have Sprint as my personal line and Tmobile as my work phone so I don't have any favouritism. Honestly Tmobiles HSPA+ network its faster than Sprints WIMAX network, the upload speed is quicker and the ping is lower. With that said, I love my Mytouch 4G.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 17:23 1

10. deejhayes1977 (Posts: 6; Member since: 01 Dec 2010)

I dont give a rats ass what anyone says, Sprint's 4G in DC is stellar and very reliable. Enough said for me.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 17:27 2

11. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)

In the outline of the report, I saw no indication the The ITU mentioned HSPA+. It specifically said that a "3G network with significant improvement in performance and capabilities". HSPA+ does not fall under this category. It does have increased speeds, but any carrier could be capable of this. However, Long Term HSPA+ would fall under the definition due to increased throughput of the technology just as LTE and WiMAX technologies integrate.

Speeds are NOT the only ingredient in what the next generation technology will bring. It is important that we not focus on just speed variations.

John B.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 17:46 4

12. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)

Furthermore, this means Sprint/Clearwire, Verizon and MetroPCS are the only Wireless carriers to offer 4G in the country.

John B.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 17:51 1

13. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


posted on 18 Dec 2010, 19:32 2

14. kanon (Posts: 36; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)

lol at everyone getting mad about this.

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 21:00 1

15. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

Its fun to get mad! HAHA

posted on 18 Dec 2010, 22:50 1

16. erik (unregistered)

for all u saying the HSPA+ is 4g its not its more like 3.5 g becuase over in eurpoe they have the HSPA+ and they never called 4g but 3g take a look at the htc hero form the uk it had an H insted of 3g just like the g2 here in the us so t-mobile doesnt have 4g there jus really big douche bags who think they have it only verizon and sprint have true 4 g

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 09:15 1

18. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

For those that get great speed ratings in your home area....just wait until you travel to ALASKA...or KALAMAZOO, MI....lol

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 15:57 1

35. slimballa2002 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)

why would anyone want to go to ALASKA lol

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 18:01 1

38. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

to fish? or for a cruise maybe??? hahaha

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 09:55 1

19. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

Man screw AT&T. I'm still stuck with them. While Verizon fire off their 4G network feel like paying my high price contract to leave AT&T. They always take forever to get new phones or a new network in their technology. This is why I hate AT&T all they care for is selling Iphones nothing else matters to them. just pisses me off that us AT&T users don't even have 4G network or that many Android devices.

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 10:01

20. tuminatr (Posts: 773; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)

Here in Minnesota I have had a chance to compare Sprint with my Epic 4g and T-Mobile one of my good friends has a G2 and my work issues me a aircard its one of the new Verizon 4g cards

WIMax and HSPA+ are close but I gotta say Wimax Minnesota is faster on the average. Now the LTE is much faster than Sprint and T-Mobile

Average speeds I see on WiMax in Minnesota 6Mbps - 8Mbps Peak 9Mbps
Average speeds I seen on HSPA+ in Minnesota 2Mbps - 6Mbps Peak 9Mbps
Average speed I see on LTE in Minnesota 8Mbps - 12Mbps peak 26Mbps

the peak figure is the fastest speedtest I have seen using speedtest.net on that network

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 14:30 1

21. pyckvi (Posts: 48; Member since: 19 Dec 2010)

i have T-mobile and i am very dissapointed in them claiming an updated 3G "4G". its not fair too us. the speed increase isnt even that much. i live in sacramento, CA, and i have never reached speeds over 2.9mbps. while my brother who is with verizon and my friend who has ATT have always had speeds at about 2.2mbps way before HSDPA+ was ever released!

i just cant wait till my contract is over. T-mobile screwed me over too many times with some bullshit overages! i cant wait to switch to the verizon network.

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 16:00

36. slimballa2002 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)

I live in ATL, and i tether with my Nexus 1 for free... i get an average of about 4mps, and my phone is not even a "4g" HSPA+ phone.

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 17:09 1

22. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Again, stop overreacting...not everyone will see 5Mpbs all the time and not everywhere they travel, work and play. AT&T has 7 or 8 ANDROID devices, but, yeah, not many good ones, and they have WP7 now, and they are number 1 in Blackberry. Pretty diverse lineup, if you ask me. But, need some more DROID-like phones.....Pay the ETF and leave your carrier, no one is holding you at gun point to stay with whoever your crappy carrier is. Funny, how supposedly T-Mobile and Sprint are just so awesome when they lose postpaid subscribers and tons of money every quarter (well, almost every quarter). Not much money in prepaid....

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 17:11 1

23. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

"The detailed specifications of the IMT-Advanced technologies will be provided in a new ITU-R Recommendation expected in early 2012.""

So, it seems no one is 4G officially until then??

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 17:49 1

24. Bigpayne (unregistered)

From handling lte at work with our mobile broadband I have seen some mind blowings speeds down here in cincinnati. Ive been the only person to sell a 4g mobile broadband but we are an indirect company of only 48 so i cant say exactly how many people are on the 4g network but when i was doen the speed test i saw 10-22 download and 4-10 upload. I ran the test 10 times because i couldnt beleave it myself and we are about a mile from the service area edge.

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 17:52

25. Bigpayne (unregistered)

It was also at night with clear skies so that prolly effected it as well

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 18:21 1

26. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

LOL, that will be awesome to own a phone that can do 10-22 download, someday....

posted on 19 Dec 2010, 18:22 1

27. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Well, speeds will decrease once everyone is using a 4G device.....the spectrum crisis looms on.

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 12:50

31. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

Except for Sprint! They have almost 4 times as much spectrum as all the other carriers together. :)

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 12:34

29. Marc (unregistered)

is it possible this article misinterpreted the ITU statement? ITU said, "it is recognized that this term ... may also be applied to ... evolved 3G technologies " - recognizing that a term may be applied isn't the same as applying a term. Agree/disagree?

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 12:52

32. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

True. They are basically saying, "We don't think HSPA+ should be labeled as 4G, but if you do, we wont fight over it."

ITU is so pathetic,

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 13:58

34. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

Pull the elfin tampons out. WTF?! Can nerds be anymore rEdiculous?! I thought I was a tech geek but some of you are stupid. Saying "it's not 4G" well I hate to say it but regardless of whether or not you want to "accept" it, it's true so shut up. Stop getting worked up.

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 18:04 1

39. smpdx (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

woah woah woah... calm down. Dont get your panties in a wad.

Most of us agree that it is 4G. Unless you are talking about hspa+... then no, it isn't 4G. If its the same tech, how can it be the 4th generation of technology. I just went in to talk to the reps at the tmob store today and even they admit it isn't 4G. HAHAH

Its 4G fast, but still not 4G.

posted on 20 Dec 2010, 18:35 1

40. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Well, so eventually it will all be 4G tech....okay, so all we should care about is how fast the speeds are.....

posted on 22 Dec 2010, 11:21 1

44. WillieFDiaz (Posts: 118; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

WiMAX, LTE are certainly 4G technologies. They stem from deployment of new spectrum as well as new equipment that may be but usually isnt built directly on top of the former generational technology (CDMA is excluded really) Thus, this is the 4th revision of a technology to be built up.

HSPA+ though, from what I understand is mostly software on top of a 3G tech, but I really dont know about that anymore because Im a CDMA user now...havent used GSM in 3.5 years. Back when using EDGE was cool.

posted on 22 Dec 2010, 18:37

45. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

I agree with you Willie, but anything can be labelled...anything, nowadays.....

posted on 04 Apr 2013, 06:11

52. quinzolosco (Posts: 1; Member since: 04 Apr 2013)


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